From c.raskob@genie.geis.com Fri May 20 19:37 PDT 1994 Date: Sat, 21 May 94 02:30:00 UTC From: c.raskob@genie.geis.com Subject: vw Status: RO Dear Planet VW ....I found the LIGHTS part of the FAQ to be very user unfriendly, although accurate. I have been through this with a few cars, and lights are one of the easiest things enthusiasts can do. I would even argue that we who know better are obligated to improve this aspect of our cars. After all, sealed beams are contempory with bias play tube tires, 6 volt electrics, magnetos and flat head engines. In Germany, the code allows a set of driving lights if your car has a single bulb system. No driving lights are allowed in multibulb systems. This results in a large H4 light with a supplemental high beam using the H1 bulb, like the GTi grille. More cars have a version of that or the four round system, best shown by BMW. A supplemental driving light with the four round system is redundant anyway, as the high beam is the same pattern. The US headlight pattern is a travesty, locked in over fifty years ago, for a slower world, no interstates, and road signs without reflective paint. There are restraint of trade issues which ossified our technology while europe progressed. The low beam glare US lights cause is intentional, to read the now obsolete and nonexistent non reflective signs. This contrasts with the pronounced low beam cutoff of eurospec lights, and the superior low beam light spread and control. With cost as the guide, my contribution follows: First, forget about the stock lights. Do not waste time or money with the US legal lights, halogen or not. Keep them on the shelf if your state has a strict inspection. NY allows H4 type lights. In NJ, I had to go thru a silly headlight swap once a year. I have never had a conversation with law enforcement about them, even with 100 watts, but I do keep them aimed and dip brights religiously. (Speaking of aim, in Europe many cars come with an in-car switch to AIM your low beams. This allows YOU to set the beam long for country roads, close in for city use, or adjust for heavy loads. Americans are too stupid to be trusted with this kind of power) If you have a standard 7" square or round light, or a standard round or square quad system you are lucky because the conversion is inexpensive. Go straight for the european code, by Hella, Cebie, or any reputable name. Cost is 50 to 75 dollars, and the lights come with a 55 watt low/60 watt high bulbs. A comparison of a Rabbit with the 7" rectangle US legal halogen to a Fox with a 55/60 H4 rectangle system showed that with equal power, the europattern was far superior. If this is not enough, then the 55/100 bulb is an inexpensive fix for the H4, about $15.00 per bulb or for the four light system, replace only the high beam with a 100 watt bulb, for the same price. If you need more light than that, you are running Baja or over 200 mph consistently. Stay with normal wattage low beams to avoid attention. The improved pattern will do more than wattage for the lows. Even with a 4 light system and 100 watt highs, we still have not broken $150.00 ! If you have the aero lights things are less $imple. The eurospec code lights are not cheap, but it is still first choice to toss the U.S. lights and go for the euro lights. For example, $250 for VW or much more ($400+ for SAAB!) for others. The pattern is more important than the wattage. If this is too much, or you lease, your best bet is to call Competition Limited, at 313 464 1458 for their 9004 upgrades. These bulbs are not available anywhere else, as CL has them custom made. You will actually see the low beam pattern for the first time. The lights improve, but the US pattern is still far inferior to eurocode lights. If you are not up to replacement of aero lights, it is a mandatory option. If you take the 9004 upgrades route, and after installing them still desire that high beam boost you'd have with the eurocode H4 or H1/H3, you will need long range driving lights. (The 9004 design just does not give that long range laser beam, even with high wattage.) These are about $75. These are best mounted above the bumper, on the same axis if possible with the stock lights. There are different sizes, and with a little thought you can fabricate a simple steel bracket for almost any car. The 55 watt H1 bulb it comes with is adequate, and with upgraded 9004's you'll have excellent vision for less than one hundred dollars. Be sure to wire them along with your high beams, but with an off switch. Those paying attention will wonder why you want 55 watt driving lights after you upgrade the 9004 to 100 watts. The answer, again, is the light pattern. It is a concentrated beam, and aimed correctly will fill in the center as the 9004 bulb peters out. A word about wattage. More is better, but up to a point. You have to live on public roads. While most police won't hassle you for eurocode lights, and the sheep won't notice, you do want to practice stealth. First, skip any bulb over 100 watts. It is too much light to control, may need separate relay systems, and has a short life. Most european cars have electrical systems which will allow up to 100 watt bulbs without blowing fuses. An H4 bulb with 55/100 will be enough to make you think you are on the Mulsanne straight at night. Ditto for 100 watt brights in a four light system. A word about patterns and bulb construction. The pronounced cut off for eurospec low beams is the result of a reflector in the bulb. An H4 bulb has a small reflector *in the glass envelope* which reflects all the low beam light down, and the high beam up. The filament runs front to back. This forms an ideal light source in the perfect center of the reflector, for both high and low beams. A 9004 bulb, for reasons unknown to this writer, stays with the right to left filament angle, and did not incorporate a reflector. It is as if the designers took the sealed beam into the 1980's, but did not address any of its flaws. It seems a waste to write a new SAE standard and incorporate all the old flaws. If anyone can explain why the design is still primitive, please let me know. I know that SAE writes up all these standards, but I have to go to a technical library to find it. It refers to the SAE standards in the Code of Federal Regulations sections that deal with the 9004 bulb. Please e-mail me on this. Now, for some questions: I just bought a used 1991 Golf 16v in very good shape. It has the stock Hella GTi grille. The center lights are H1 55 watts, soon to be replaced by 100 watts. The 7" round lights are a mystery to me. It is not a US pattern, but has DOT numbers on it and uses the dread 9004. There is an unusual "doughnut" reflector inside the lens assembly, and the pattern looks like a "dirty" eurocode pattern, complete with the little bump on the right. What is the story with this light ? While it looks like a sealed beam, the 9004 is replaceable. It is high quality material and expensive to replace at the dealer. I note that Cabrios with this grille use el cheapo US 7" round sealed beams. What is Hella doing ? Can I retrofit this back to H4 code ? I think this may be a adapted german light. Please e-mail me with any advice. I also had to replace the factory 15x6.5 BBS wheels. I replaced them with a standard 5 spoke, and the BBS, with center caps, are for sale. They are slightly dinged but can be straightened. Make me an offer. Dealer price is over 2,000.00 but I am far more reasonable. Anyone want to swap a stock 2.0 16V 1991 GTI system for a Leidstritz system ? Great Power, too loud for wife. thanks everyone. I download this in compressed form at GEnie, so e mail me directly. I will post any relevant answers on the BB here, so I can share the info. Casey Raskob, Esq. 914-271-1380 Croton, New York c.raskob@genie.geis.com ____________________________________________________________ past vw.....1978 R+A Scirocco with Callaway Stage I turbo. current vw 1984 diesel with 48 hp and 160K miles, The Clatterwagon 1991 2.0 16v GTi ____________________________________________________________ From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!nordic.tiac.net!jhamill Mon Nov 7 09:26:47 PST 1994 Article: 42709 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!nordic.tiac.net!jhamill From: jhamill@tiac.net (John Hamill) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: wanna buy a vw golf 3 but...... Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 12:05:24 Organization: JAH Systems Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <38gthl$uj@inn.synoptics.com> <38qjjp$l18@newsbf01.news.aol.com> <1994Nov3.213353.9294@greenwich.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nordic.tiac.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: >> '95 Jetta (with Daytime Running Lights) >Here's my interpretation of the various Golf lights; my choice for the best >lighting would be E.2. > DOT.1 DOT-spec halogens > 93-94 Golf (USA) > DOT.2 DOT-spec halogens with driving lights > 93-94 Golf LE (USA) > DRL.1 DOT-spec halogens with DRLs > 93- Golf (Canada), 95- Golf (USA) > DRL.2 DOT-spec halogens with driving lights and DRLs > 93- Golf GTI (Canada) 95- Golf LE (USA) > 95- Golf GTI VR6 (Canada/USA) > E.1 E-spec halogens > 92- Golf (Europe) > E.2 E-spec halogens with driving lights > 92- Golf GT, GTI, GTD, VR6 (Europe) >I expect the list for Jetta/Vento lights would be pretry similar, although >I'm not sure which models have driving lights. >> I also wonder if they are truly interchangeable between German-made cars and >> Mexican-made cars. >They appear to be. Haven't actually tried it, though. :) I have the Golf LE 2 way setup on my Golf III GL in addition to a set of PIAA 1000's. This setup works good and is affordable. The PIAA's are real easy to install and provide needed extra coverage. The lights coming on the German III series cars (E.2) aren't directly interchangable with Mexican cars. However, AutoTech lists the German setup in their new catalog at $695. A bit pricey for a headlight upgrade but it is available. They are probably including the composite radiator support in the kit that has the different mounting points for the headlights. If you have a Golf III GL I would get the LE setup which ND sells for $295, they are still a big improvement over the almost useless 1 way stock headlights. They also have the German Jetta III light upgrade at $695. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Mar 16 13:07 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA28965; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:07:13 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HO7DQBCE4G002DKV@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA05708 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:50:33 -0800 Received: from vgi.com (hoss.vgi.com [199.29.188.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA05665 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:50:21 -0800 Received: from norm.vgi.com ([1.0.2.101]) by vgi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04724; Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:50:16 EST Received: from kojak.vgi.com by norm.vgi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06126; Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:50:10 EST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 15:46:49 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Lewin Subject: Re: European headlight In-Reply-To: <199503162022.UAA28273@mixcom.mixcom.com> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Steven M. Kosloske wrote: > They also list the > Euro turn indicators (clear glass, blinks amber) for $100. Indeed. Since one of my (stock) indicators broke, I took the opportunity to go ahead and order the "Euro" indicators for $100 the pair. The person I talked to said the stock ones cost $70 *each* at the dealer. (I didn't verify this.) Alex From usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip2-41.acs.ohio-state.edu!shepherd.31 Wed Mar 29 17:26:05 PST 1995 Article: 55060 of rec.autos.vw Path: usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip2-41.acs.ohio-state.edu!shepherd.31 From: shepherd.31@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (WHO) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: euro *lens* upgrades Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 03:13:50 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3l49lo$i91@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Mar28.170055.4109@greenwich.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip2-41.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] >There's recently been a great deal of discussion about the use of upgraded >bulbs in otherwise US spec headlights. I would like to upgrade the >lighting performance of my 92 GTI (i.e. 4 light setup w/ fogs), but I'm >not sure simply plugging in brighter bulbs is the way to do it. A few >people have mentioned that a brighter bulb in a poorly designed lens >doesn't do a hell of a lot (except perhaps annoy oncoming drivers). >Can I then replace my inner head lights/driving lights (the whole >assembly, not just the bulbs) with euro spec ones? Both my lenses are >damaged anyways, so I need to do something about them. Is this what the >euro spec lighting upgrades I've seen advertised actually give you, or do >they just include the euro bulbs in us lights? After picking up the Euro setup for my 86 GTI, I am also interested in what improvements I can make for further on down the road. I have my Autotech Catalog here. Let's see what they have; Hella FF Headlamp Kit -free form reflectors -80% more light than European H4 Price:199.95 Euro-Spec Replacements - 7" round H4 - 5 3/4 round H4[high] - 5 3/4 round H1[low] Price: 29.95 Each There is a whole shrew of replacement bulbs, though says for euro lights only. Oh yeah, standard disclaimer on the Autotech stuff. Chad shepherd.31@osu.edu From bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Thu Apr 13 19:59:03 PDT 1995 Article: 4142 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B9 05/16/94 VAX/VMS V1.5; site bbs.ug.eds.com Path: bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: euro *lens* upgrades Message-ID: <3m9bqc$knh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> From: turbotim@aol.com (TurboTim) Date: 9 Apr 1995 15:16:28 -0400 Reply-To: turbotim@aol.com (TurboTim) Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com References: Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Lines: 26 James> I would like to upgrade the lighting performance of my 92 GTI (i.e. 4 light >setup w/ fogs), but I'm not sure simply plugging in brighter bulbs is the way to do >it. James The hot setup for your model is to replace the main 7" lights with the European headlights. They come complete with the mounting bracket to drop in as a replacement for the whole bucket assembly. These have the european light pattern and use H4 bulbs. To use the larger bulbs ie... 80/100 90/100 or 90/130 use must use relays. The standard bulbs are 55/60. Suggest you try them first and then if you want more upgrade to the relay kit and bigger bulbs. If you cannot find any supplier in your area New Dimensions sells the kit. Not sure what the price is. These lights are the same used in the Euro 16V grille kits you see advertised in all the magazines. Stock US lighting patterns are so poor that the headlights are the first thing I upgrade when buying a new car. I live up in the mountains and drive 6 miles on a very "FUN" road and lighting is very important. As animals and sheet metal don't mix. ** Turbotim ** ** Second Generation BBS ** Headquarters for Audi and H20 VW Owners ** (408) 980-8830 (2 lines) 24 hours From bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!mvb.saic.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!curtiss!mxb171 Thu Apr 13 19:59:24 PDT 1995 Article: 4143 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B9 05/16/94 VAX/VMS V1.5; site bbs.ug.eds.com Path: bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!mvb.saic.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!curtiss!mxb171 Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: euro *lens* upgrades Message-ID: <3m0qdg$aub@hearst.cac.psu.edu> From: mxb171@curtiss.cac.psu.edu (MICHAEL BRZEZOWSKI) Date: 6 Apr 1995 13:30:24 GMT References: <1995Mar28.170055.4109@greenwich.com> <1995Apr3.195205.28996@greenwich.com> <3ls6ut$bu@usenet.rpi.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing NNTP-Posting-Host: curtiss.cac.psu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 26 Maximilian Edward Stuedlein (stuedm@cii3130-19.its.rpi.edu) wrote: : I'd like to change my '85 GTI headlights to the Euro style. I saw a couple of adds in European Car (or something like that). They were askinf about $379 for the upgrade, but they said that they weren't street legal. Anyone know of a set that is street legal? : OR : Is it possible to modify a grill and light setup from a new GTI, with the four lights, so it fits onto my '85? : Has anybody done this modification, with a kit or otherwise? : Thanks for the help : Max The Hella Euro's are a good upgrade. They are normally $50 each but come with wimpy bulbs. Even these "wimpy" bulbs blow away the stock bulbs. It is also a very easy upgrage. All you need is a phillips screwdriver. Pull the grill off (about 50,000 little tabs), unscrew the 4 screws holding the old light in, unplug old light, plug in new light, screw in new light, then replace grille. If that is still not enough for you, you can get 2 relays, some thick wire, and bigger H4 bulbs. Wire FUSED power to the relays, and use the old headlight power wires to trip the relays (one for high, and one for low beams). You can do this with small bulbs too and still notice an improvement. Good luck (PS: the Euro's for the newer "aero" grilles are twice as much) - Mike From bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Thu Apr 13 20:04:46 PDT 1995 Article: 4179 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B9 05/16/94 VAX/VMS V1.5; site bbs.ug.eds.com Path: bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: [W] Jetta /// headlight conversion Message-ID: <3m9gug$m23@newsbf02.news.aol.com> From: turbotim@aol.com (TurboTim) Date: 9 Apr 1995 16:44:00 -0400 Reply-To: turbotim@aol.com (TurboTim) Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com References: <3m3l94$1ir8@cass.ma02.bull.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Lines: 20 The problem with any headlight conversion for the A3 models is that the bumpers and radiator support is different between the US models and the European models. Even my 95 Cabrio has Mexican made bumpers. This is why the Cabrio has no fog lights as the lights are different between the euro and US version. They mount differently. The wires are there and you get the foglight in other countries that use the euro design. This was a stupid thing for VW to do but it must have to do with US bumper requirments. So as you can see the cost to replace the above parts plus the cost of the light kit can hit the $1000 mark real quick. I am sure it is only a matter of time till the US tuners come up with some lower priced conversion. So don't be fooled by companies that sell the light kits and don't tell you about the other needed parts. Autotech's catalog shows the euro lights but I guess they never tried to install them or they would of found all of this out. Many companies may sell you stuff but be sure its been installed on a US model before you buy. ** Turbotim ** ** Second Generation BBS ** Headquarters for Audi and H20 VW Owners ** (408) 980-8830 (2 lines) 24 hours From bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!fndcd.fnal.gov!colombo Mon Apr 17 12:40:40 PDT 1995 Article: 4457 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B9 05/16/94 VAX/VMS V1.5; site bbs.ug.eds.com Path: bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!fndcd.fnal.gov!colombo Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Can someone explain H3 & H4 bulbs? Message-ID: <1995Apr14.100630@fndcd.fnal.gov> From: colombo@fndcd.fnal.gov (Rick Colombo) Date: 14 Apr 95 10:06:30 -0600 References: <3mjreh$so2@dove.nist.gov> Organization: Fermilab Computing Division NNTP-Posting-Host: vssaxp.fnal.gov Lines: 14 Xref: bbs.ug.eds.com rec.autos.tech:6491 rec.autos.vw:4457 In article <3mjreh$so2@dove.nist.gov>, keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Larry Keys) writes: > > Would someone please explain the difference between H3 & H4 lighting? > They're different ;-). The H-3 bulb has one wire coming out of it, also the bulb is much smaller than the H-4. The H-4 bulb has two or three prongs, which accepts the headlight wiring harness. In other words, the H-4 is meant to replace headlights and the H-3 would be used for fog or driving lights. RC colombo@fnal.gov From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Apr 24 21:20 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA12423; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:20:31 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HPQCCWBM7K002A8B@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA12927 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:00:32 -0700 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA12913 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:00:27 -0700 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA037822396; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 23:59:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 23:59:56 -0400 From: HAPPIG@aol.com Subject: Smoked tail lights Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <950424235129_95185694@aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO When I was in Lebanon, I was about to buy amoked rear lights for my cousin's 86 GTI for $150.00 but was a little low on cash:( But I did see the smoked rear lights for the Corrado for about $300.00 $150.00 for the outside pair, and another $150.00 for the pair that goes on the rear lid. I believe they were made by Hella, but if not, the boxes did look like they were from a big company and they were made in Germany. I've seen a Corrado (Darkside Motoring's team car) that had the smoked U.S. side markers along with the rear ones, but the rear ones weren't too dark. When I went there to get my sidemarkers smoked, I asked them about my rear lights. They said that they're still experimenting with the dye they got fromn Japan. The reason why it didn't work for that guy (apparently the first one they tried on) is because the unit has a double plastic layer which the dye didn't get to the inner layer. that was about a year ago, I don't know if they got the hang of it yet. I'll call and find out. I've seen smoked tail lights on a yellow Corrado and it looked ugly. The lights were "charcoal" black, and didn't look good at all. My cousin saw another Corrado at a car show and he agreed that they are too ugly, especially with a light colored body paint. I might smoke mine some day, but not very dark, just enough to get a hint of smoke, that's all. Happig Happig@aol.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu May 11 08:39 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09985; Thu, 11 May 1995 08:39:52 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HQDCQ9RKEO005FFC@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 11 May 1995 08:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA18439 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 1995 08:26:22 -0700 Received: from gateway.sequent.com (gateway.sequent.com [138.95.18.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA17892 for ; Thu, 11 May 1995 08:24:24 -0700 Received: from sequent.sequent.com by gateway.sequent.com (8.6.10/1.34) id IAA10046; Thu, 11 May 1995 08:22:05 -0700 Received: by sequent.sequent.com (8.6.12/1.34) id IAA17166; Thu, 11 May 1995 08:23:27 -0700 Received: by sequent via UUCP from sopwith; Thu May 11 08:23:28 1995 Received: by sopwith.UUCP (1.222/6.24) id AA02020; Thu, 11 May 95 08:23:28 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:23:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Snoopy Subject: Re: Corrado Headlights In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 11 May 1995 10:07:14 -0400. <95May11.100251edt.29616@mailgate.bank-banque-canada.ca> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: teleport.com!corrado-l@sequent.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9505111523.AA02020@sopwith.UUCP> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO The USA Corrado headlights use a "9004" bulb. (or similar number) You can obtain higher wattage bulbs that fit. Word from Usenet is that this helps some, but not that much. You still have the lousy USA lens/reflector that just throws light any old place. The better solution is to get the european headlights. (Hella) These use H4 and H3 bulbs, and various wattages are available. These have much better lens/reflector systems that puts light in useful places. Note that euro headlights from a mail-order place (e.g. Rapid Parts Autotech, etc.) is less expensive than buying USA headlights from a VW dealer. If anyone has a lead on the clear plastic headlight covers that fit the euro headlights, I'd like to hear about it. The euro headlights are very slightly different in shape than the USA ones, and USA headlight covers do not fit. :-( I'm also interested in protecting the fog lights & turn signals. (The roads here have lots of rocks.) Rumor has it that someone is working on "projector" style headlight for the Corrado. I don't know exactly what the differences are between projector lights and the classic euro H3/H4 style. Snoopy snoopy%sopwith@schitzo.rain.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu May 11 13:31 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA16864; Thu, 11 May 1995 13:31:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HQDMWMQD5S005XY5@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 11 May 1995 13:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA05336 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 1995 12:12:10 -0700 Received: from ids.net (ids.net [155.212.1.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA05280 for ; Thu, 11 May 1995 12:10:29 -0700 Received: from [155.212.90.116] by 155.212.90.116 with SMTP; Thu, 11 May 1995 15:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 12:10:29 -0700 From: KBRISSON@ids.net (Kevin Brisson) Subject: Re: Corrado Headlights Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: KBRISSON@ids.net (Unverified) To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >> I'm about to buy a 1993 Corrado SLC and want to know if the >headlights >>are sealed or not. Basically I want to run a pair of relays and >install >>100 watt bulbs for the high beams. So I need to know if I can buy >just >>the bulbs or have to spring for the whole headlight. > >I have a bit of info on this. >I talked to a dealer about this about a month ago (after a long drive >one >rainy night). He said the bulbs can be replaced (low and high beam) >with >stronger bulbs and a lot of people with Corrados and Passats are doing >so. In some cases, there is no problem but in other cases the bulbs >tend >to burn out quickly. In these cases they have a minor mod to solve the >problem. It doesn't sound very expensive or complicated but you might >want to ask a dealer for more advice. > >Tom '93 VR6 I've had 85W/100W bulbs in for quite a few months now, doesn't seem to be a problem. I really didn't notice much of a difference either so I guess the reflectors and lens are just poor. Kevin '92 G60 KBrisson@ids.net From BKXPSC@tevm2.nsc.com Thu May 11 14:59 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19353; Thu, 11 May 1995 14:59:11 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HQDPX4PE9S005XY7@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 11 May 1995 14:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA23692 for jan@ug.eds.com; Thu, 11 May 95 14:55:55 -0700 Received: from tevm2.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA11039 for jan@ug.eds.com; Thu, 11 May 95 14:55:46 -0700 Received: from TEVM2 by tevm2.nsc.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1200; Thu, 11 May 95 14:55:36 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:55:35 -0700 (PDT) From: BKXPSC@tevm2.nsc.com Subject: Re: Corrado Headlights To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <9505112155.AA11039@nsc.nsc.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO *** Resending note of 05/11/95 14:52 Subject: Re: Corrado Headlights To: SMTP --TEVM2 VAX/UNIX/Internet *** Reply to note of 05/11/95 13:27 Subject: Re: Corrado Headlights Hi Jan, My name is Kevin Peterson and I'm new to this group. I've had so much trouble trying to get on to this mailing list, but with some help, I finally got onto it this morning. Anyways, I was reading what you wrote about the headlights and I have to agree that the U.S. headlights on the Corrado aren't up to par compared to the European Headlights. I have a 93 Corrado VR6 and have the European Headlight setup. They work great for me. I've noticed that it does give off a different beam of light ______/ like so when I shined them on my garage door to align them. I also noticed that the driving lights on the U.S. version are actually set up inside the headlight assembly compared to the European lights, the high beams replace the driving lights where they use to be on the U.S. version. For the driving lights, their is a bulb inside the light assembly which are called city lights. You have a choice of either leaving the bulb the way it is or, like I did, buy the colored slip cases that go over the bulb. I got these from New Dimensions in San Jose, CA. Since my Corrado is green, I bought the green casings. It looks nice, but I wouldn't recommend driving with these on. When my lights are on, you can see the green light. It's not bright, but you can see it if I were to pull behind up behind you or if you were standing in front of my car. Anyways, I just wanted to give my two cents on the European Headlights. I'm glad I got them. I too heard a rumor that ABT is making the poly-elipsoidal headlamps. I think they would look great on a Corrado. If ABT gives a a good price on them, I'd probably get them. Kevin 93 Corrado VR6 bkxpsc@tevm2.nsc.com From BKXPSC@tevm2.nsc.com Thu May 11 15:15 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19887; Thu, 11 May 1995 15:15:17 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HQDQJ0W1G0006WJD@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 11 May 1995 15:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA24663 for jan@ug.eds.com; Thu, 11 May 95 15:12:47 -0700 Received: from tevm2.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA11646 for jan@ug.eds.com; Thu, 11 May 95 15:12:45 -0700 Received: from TEVM2 by tevm2.nsc.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1442; Thu, 11 May 95 15:12:42 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:12:42 -0700 (PDT) From: BKXPSC@tevm2.nsc.com Subject: Re: Corrado Headlights To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <9505112212.AA11646@nsc.nsc.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO *** Reply to note of 05/11/95 15:03 From: Kevin Peterson ///Advanced Systems and Interface Products, Data Management Division ///Product Launch Marketing Subject: Re: Corrado Headlights Hi Jan, I think they give a tremenedous improvement over the U.S. versions. I can see more of the road at night and they're brighter. It's wierd, I don't know if this is normal, but when I flick on the high beams, both my high beams and my regular lights shine so they give a lot more light. It's great when you're on a dark backroad. Kevin 93 Corrado VR6 bkxpsc@tevm2.nsc.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri May 12 17:34 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04953; Fri, 12 May 1995 17:34:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HQF9O7QOJ40056IC@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 12 May 1995 17:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA06183 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 17:21:32 -0700 Received: from mailer (mailer.ug.eds.com [134.244.3.234]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA06133 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 17:21:22 -0700 Received: from camhpp49.ug.eds.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HQF99T23Y8007C6R@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 12 May 1995 17:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by camhpp49.ug.eds.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23759; Fri, 12 May 1995 17:22:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 17:22:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: Re: Corrado Headlightsh In-Reply-To: <9505122229.AA22852@newssun.med.miami.edu>; from "Michal Szlabowicz - Med Student" at May 12, 95 6:29 pm Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <01HQF99T2DLE007C6R@UG.EDS.COM> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Hoever, I noticed that while flashing my brights and swithing to high beams, > you get a 1 (low beams), 1+2 (low and high) and 2 (high only) pattern... > The problem is you have to hold the light stalk just in the right position for > the lows and highs to stay on at the same time... That's because the stock Corrado lamps are a 2 lamp unit. This in between feature you are talking about is really because the switch has some overlap (the alternative is NO LIGHT which is not desirable), but you should not use it because it may overheat the lamp, may be the switch. Lo Beams: Euro 4 lamp: L O O L Beam Pattern: ____/ US 4 lamps: L O O L Beam Pattern: () () US/Euro 2 lamps: L L One of the above Hi beams: Euro 4 lamp: L H H L The sea of light US 4 lamps: H H H H Illuminating Canada US/Euro 2 lamps: H H The prince of darkness O = off, L = Low, H = High beam Hey, are any of you gonna show up at ND's Open House, Sunday the 21st? -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | "For once I'd like to encounter an alien \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | being that is not immune to bullets" (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | The Brigadier, Dr. Who. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu May 11 13:42 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA17127; Thu, 11 May 1995 13:42:55 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HQDNB0UKPS005C1Q@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 11 May 1995 13:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA20921 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 1995 13:26:38 -0700 Received: from mailer (mailer.ug.eds.com [134.244.3.234]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA20884 for ; Thu, 11 May 1995 13:26:27 -0700 Received: from camhpp49.ug.eds.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HQDMS9A0LC006MF7@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 11 May 1995 13:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by camhpp49.ug.eds.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA21894; Thu, 11 May 1995 13:27:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 13:27:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: Re: Corrado Headlights In-Reply-To: <9505111523.AA02020@sopwith.UUCP>; from "Snoopy" at May 11, 95 8:23 am Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <01HQDMS9AA8I006MF7@UG.EDS.COM> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Precedence: bulk Status: RO > The USA Corrado headlights use a "9004" bulb. (or similar number) > > You can obtain higher wattage bulbs that fit. Word from Usenet is > that this helps some, but not that much. You still have the > lousy USA lens/reflector that just throws light any old place. I'd be a tad hesitant for using higher wattage bulbs: More heat, higher chance to crack the lenses, burn/corrode the mirrors, fry the wires or the contacts if resistance has build up, etc. My first course of action would be to make sure your lights are alligned right. Its' an often ignored element, esp. here in the US -- judging from the large number of car lights that are either searching for B52s or ants in front of their wheels. I have not seen the Euro lamps in action on the COrrados as yet, but I was not too terribly impressed with the Euro lamps on my Scirocco. The big difference between the US and Euro lamps are the beam patterns. In the US you get two bright spots in front of the car: () () and nothing for the first 5 feet, and little on the sides. The euro lamps have the following pattern: ____/ if projected against a wall. So you end up with a more broader illumination in front of you and to the right, but also on average a dimmer illumination on the road (because the same wattage is spread more) than the US's, at least based on my experiences with Euro lights (but not the Corrado Euro lights, I have not tried them yet). At this point I am not sure which is better. One thing I do prefere with the Euro set ups (4 lamp) is that the driving lights stay on with the high beams, while in the US with a 4 lamp set up you end up with 4 high beams: lots of light 1 mile away, none in front of you. The US Corrado is really a 2 lamp set up, and really sucks with the high beams. You cannot optimize for regular lights *and* hi beams in one lens. > headlight covers do not fit. :-( I'm also interested in protecting > the fog lights & turn signals. (The roads here have lots of rocks.) If you find a source, please let us know. By now I have cracked every single turn signal and a few fog lights. > Rumor has it that someone is working on "projector" style headlight > for the Corrado. I don't know exactly what the differences are > between projector lights and the classic euro H3/H4 style. Isn't it ABT? Are they poly-elipsoidal? Arc discharge lamps like the BMWs? That's what we need, projectors with a cheap replaceable poly- carbonate cover in front. -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | jan@ug.eds.com \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | "Trust only those statistics (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | you falsified yourself" - W. Churchill From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri May 12 19:40 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05888; Fri, 12 May 1995 19:40:31 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HQFE3N0M3K0069AT@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 12 May 1995 19:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA24491 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 1995 19:29:52 -0700 Received: from gateway.sequent.com (gateway.sequent.com [138.95.18.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA24469 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 19:29:46 -0700 Received: from sequent.sequent.com by gateway.sequent.com (8.6.10/1.34) id TAA17283; Fri, 12 May 1995 19:27:18 -0700 Received: by sequent.sequent.com (8.6.12/1.34) id TAA03741; Fri, 12 May 1995 19:28:43 -0700 Received: by sequent via UUCP from sopwith; Fri May 12 18:05:18 1995 Received: by sopwith.UUCP (1.222/6.24) id AA29375; Fri, 12 May 95 18:05:18 PDT Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 18:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Snoopy Subject: Re: Euro Headlights In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 12 May 1995 10:45:16 -0700 (PDT). <01HQEVEDUJIQ006427@UG.EDS.COM> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: teleport.com!corrado-l@sequent.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9505130105.AA29375@sopwith.UUCP> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO > These were the 4 round Euro lights made by Hella. I've never had the 4 round Hella lights. I've had the 4 round Marchell (sp?) lights, with 100W high beams. Absolutely amasing. Instant daylight. I would *love* to find a way to put a Scirocco 4 round light grill in my rabbit pickup, just so I could use these lights. The Cibie 7" round "Z beams" I had in my rabbit (hatchback) were far less impressive. Never did figure out what the problem was. Maybe I just needed higher wattage bulbs? > What I did not like about them was the rather dim light that hit the road > because it was spread out so widely. Simple physics. If you > spread ~100 Watts out broadly it will appear dimmer than ~100 Watts > concentrated along two blobs in front of you. Peripherial vision can be important. Heck, seeing the edge of the road as well as the center of the lane can be important. If they aren't bright enough for you put in brighter bulbs. Add driving lights if you need them. > It was great for the city but for highway driving at night I always > felt that they were inadequate. (And trust me, I did try aligning > them all kinds of ways). The Marchells with 100W high beams (H3 probably) were good for at *least* 90 mph. Safely. They now have H4 bulbs with 165W high beams, plus whatever the H3s come in. (120 Amp alternaters are your friend) Snoopy From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jun 6 06:16 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09013; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 06:16:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRDJAHTTBK005TM3@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 06 Jun 1995 06:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id GAA17380 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 06:10:48 -0700 Received: from nasc.mass.edu (pine.nasc.mass.edu [134.241.55.62]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA17368 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 06:10:44 -0700 Received: by nasc.mass.edu (8.6.10/SMI-4.1) id NAA03733; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:14:31 GMT Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 09:14:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Hulda Jowett Subject: Re: Triad Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Cc: Hulda Jowett Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm still waiting for my EC, but if you want to make your parking lights brighter, I know how. On my G60 the parking lights had these whimpy bulbs in them, They are set in a small adaptor which you can pull out and place a larger bulb in. I think tail light bulbs will fit. They don't do much for travel in fog though. later Brian 93 VR6 From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Jun 14 08:20 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA07944; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:20:35 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HROTXG09N4004UAZ@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA11033 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:11:08 -0700 Received: from nasc.mass.edu (pine.nasc.mass.edu [134.241.55.62]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA10993 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:10:58 -0700 Received: by nasc.mass.edu (8.6.10/SMI-4.1) id PAA04877; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:14:53 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Hulda Jowett Subject: Re: 80W Headlight Bulbs... In-Reply-To: <199506132054.QAA15862@gold.interlog.com> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Cc: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I put 50/100s in my G60. I used relays and all that neat stuff. The headlights just get to hot though, the high beams were always blowing. I think the place I got them from sent me 4 replacments under warrenty. I finnaly upgraded to european lights - most excelent. On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, David K. Tam wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:54:05 -0400 > From: David K. Tam > To: corrado-l@teleport.com > Subject: 80W Headlight Bulbs... > > I want to upgrade my present 45W headlight with a brighter bulb. > There are 80/100 or 50/100, anyone with experience using these > bulbs on their Corrados. Is 80 Watts too much for the current > wiring do I need relays? I asked the store that sell them and they > said I don't but can I trust them. > > I live in Canada, the Canadian models have the daylight running > headlights on all times, so is it too much with 80 watts running > all times. Will there be any difference between 40 and 50 Watts? > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards. > David > > From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jun 13 22:17 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08204; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:17:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRO8VK3MJK007PCF@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA20783 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:06:53 -0700 Received: from educ.ucalgary.ca (etu1.educ.ucalgary.ca [136.159.35.101]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA20760 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:06:47 -0700 Received: by educ.ucalgary.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA06619; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:07:02 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:07:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Shel Bercovich Subject: Re: 80W Headlight Bulbs... In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Just a clarification here. In Canada at least, two-lamp systems on newer cars normally run 45w/65w dual filament 9004 bulbs. Four-lamp systems will run two 55w 9006 lo beams and two 65w 9005 hi beams. The higher wattage bulbs are available from J.C. Whitney, and from any number of the advertisers in ec. Higher wattage bulbs are available for most combinations. We know any of these bulbs would throw more light on the road, but would like to hear from anyone who has actually used one of the high-wattage combinations.... Have you had any problems with headlight melting or cracking in cold weather because of the extreme temperature differential? Shel -- Shel Bercovich "Come Ride \/ sbercovich@cbe.ab.ca with Us /\ bercovi1@educ.ucalgary.ca in Banff / \ Calgary, AB, Canada National Park" / /\ \ On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Brian Dunning wrote: > >I want to upgrade my present 45W headlight with a brighter bulb. > >There are 80/100 or 50/100, anyone with experience using these > >bulbs on their Corrados. > > What are these bulbs???? Where are they available? I'd love to get some. > > >I live in Canada, the Canadian models have the daylight running > >headlights on all times, so is it too much with 80 watts running > >all times. Will there be any difference between 40 and 50 Watts? > > I don't know about the difference between 40 and 50, but there sure as heck > will be a difference between the 60 and 100W high beams. I think the 80 > would be way too much for low beams; you'd piss off everyone. > > Brian Dunning '79 Rabbit Diesel > bdunning@netcom.com '86 GTI 8v > '92 Corrado VR6 > '97 Boxster....or bust > > > From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Jun 14 11:32 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA15073; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:32:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRP0MR0LGG007GXV@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id LAA00715 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:20:12 -0700 Received: from csupomona.edu (du1.iss.csupomona.edu [134.71.204.99]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00598 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:19:57 -0700 Received: by csupomona.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02998; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:19:49 -0700 Received: from clstac.dnet by du1.dnet; Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:21:39 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Lawrence Wu Subject: Re: 80W Headlight Bulbs... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9506141819.AA02998@csupomona.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Date sent: 14-JUN-1995 >>>I want to upgrade my present 45W headlight with a brighter bulb. >>>There are 80/100 or 50/100, anyone with experience using these >>>bulbs on their Corrados. >> >>What are these bulbs???? Where are they available? I'd love to get some. >> >>>I live in Canada, the Canadian models have the daylight running >>>headlights on all times, so is it too much with 80 watts running >>>all times. Will there be any difference between 40 and 50 Watts? >> >>I don't know about the difference between 40 and 50, but there sure as heck >>will be a difference between the 60 and 100W high beams. I think the 80 >>would be way too much for low beams; you'd piss off everyone. >> >>Brian Dunning '79 Rabbit Diesel >>bdunning@netcom.com '86 GTI 8v >> '92 Corrado VR6 >> '97 Boxster....or bust >You will find them advertised in EC. They are $20 each. >Regards. >David I really hate JC whitney, but this is the one thing that I would buy from them. They have it for 9 bucks each. Also on a side note, they have H4's with yellow low beams and white high, and also yellow/yellow (for those of you with European lamps). Lawrence Wu LWU2@CSUpomona.edu Black/Black Corrado SLC "...racers are like Congressmen. They wake up, first thing they say is 'How can I get more power today?'" From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Jun 14 15:47 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA20355; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:47:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRP9JUVUKW006M2R@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA14839 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:39:45 -0700 Received: from dax.cc.uakron.edu (r3tkz@dax.cc.uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA14788 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:39:34 -0700 Received: by dax.cc.uakron.edu (5.65/Ultrix4.3) id AA07545; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:41:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Zarkovacki Subject: Re: 80W Headlight Bulbs... In-Reply-To: <199506132054.QAA15862@gold.interlog.com> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Cc: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, David K. Tam wrote: > I want to upgrade my present 45W headlight with a brighter bulb. > There are 80/100 or 50/100, anyone with experience using these > bulbs on their Corrados. Is 80 Watts too much for the current > wiring do I need relays? I asked the store that sell them and they > said I don't but can I trust them. > > I live in Canada, the Canadian models have the daylight running > headlights on all times, so is it too much with 80 watts running > all times. Will there be any difference between 40 and 50 Watts? > About two weeks ago I installed the 80/100 bulbs on my '90 G60. They are alot better than the stocks, especially the high beams. For the past two weeks nobody has flashed me with me lowbeams on. I wish they would then I could burn the paint off their car. Installing them is easy, I bought mine from rapid parts and it cost about $45. This includes two 9004 upgrade bulbs (80/100) and a new hella relay. When you order this make sure they send you the wiring diagram. It's easy to install, all you do is connect two wires from each battery terminal (10-12 guage wire) to the relay. Then you cut the white wire from the harness to your high beam. You connect both to the relay and your done. What this does is take half of the load off your alternator and eliminates frying you wiring. If you need the diagram I can send it to you. Hope this helps. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Zarkovacki The University of Akron r3tkz@dax.uakron.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Jun 16 07:41 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA07646; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:41:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRRL4XRVQ8007A7H@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id GAA13312 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:47:29 -0700 Received: from ug (root@ug.cs.dal.ca [129.173.4.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA13289 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:47:22 -0700 Received: by ug.cs.dal.ca id <356>; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:47:26 -0300 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:47:24 -0300 From: Andy Subject: Re: 80W Headlight Bulbs... In-Reply-To: from "Shel Bercovich" at Jun 14, 95 02:07:02 am Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <95Jun16.104726adt.356@ug.cs.dal.ca> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1096 Precedence: bulk Status: RO > We know any of these bulbs would throw more light on the road, but would > like to hear from anyone who has actually used one of the high-wattage > combinations.... Have you had any problems with headlight melting or > cracking in cold weather because of the extreme temperature differential? Our dealer was selling the 55/80 watt bulbs. I got them last year for the corrado. I had no problems and this car has the daytime running lights. I have the 55/80 in my 85 GTI for 3 years now. No problems. I once upgraded my fog lights from 55 to 100 but they were cheap lights and I cracked them. I had no problems with original headlights. We have Euro lights in our audi with 80/100 watt bulbls and they are far superior to any upgrades you can get for stock lights. Andy -- --. \/ .----------#####**********] Corrado & GTI FUN-atic (Don't o \o --.\/\/.---G60----#####**********] forget to bike,ski,windsurf, ,-\ \-- ---....-----------#####**********] sail) gajewski@ug.cs.dal.ca 0\-0 \/ See the Corrado WWW Page at: http://ug.cs.dal.ca/~gajewski/corrado.html \. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jun 20 13:10 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA28788; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:10:58 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRXHT734BK008C5N@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA22600 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:57:10 -0700 Received: from gold.interlog.com (root@gold.interlog.com [198.53.145.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA22591 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:57:06 -0700 Received: from davidtam.interlog.com (davidtam.interlog.com [199.212.156.51]) by gold.interlog.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA13861 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:56:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:56:58 -0400 From: davidtam@interlog.com (David K. Tam) Subject: Disappointed with new 80W Headlights Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: davidtam@interlog.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199506201956.PAA13861@gold.interlog.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thanks to all those who responded to my e-mail on 80W headlights. I got a pair over the weekend and is disappointed with them. The beam is not as bright as I thought it would be (or for the price I paid). It is quite different from most other new cars around, they have a far better beam than what I have right now. I drove a Golf last week and I envy its headlights. Could my problem be the adjustment of the beam/light or all Corrados with stock headlight are this bad? My 55W fog lamps are a lot brighter than my 80W headlights. Regards. David From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jun 20 16:21 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02149; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:21:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRXOEKKZA8007BX4@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA07766 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:03:49 -0700 Received: from nasc.mass.edu (pine.nasc.mass.edu [134.241.55.62]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA07718 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:03:42 -0700 Received: by nasc.mass.edu (8.6.10/SMI-4.1) id XAA20549; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:07:43 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Hulda Jowett Subject: Re: Disappointed with new 80W Headlights In-Reply-To: <199506201956.PAA13861@gold.interlog.com> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Cc: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thats the same thing I thought when I upgraded. Do your self a favor - spend the money for the euro lights. Were talking 240W of ass kick'n, no way are you going to outdrive highbeams. And you can upgrade them if thats not enough. They come with 55W low beams, which have this awsome beam pattern, all the light goes onto the road. The high beams have a 65W bulb in the regular part of the lamp, plus a 55W driving light where your parking light is now. They are expensive, but you will thank yourself everytime you turn them on. I can't wait to buy them for my VR6. Brian 93 VR6 On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, David K. Tam wrote: > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:56:58 -0400 > From: David K. Tam > To: corrado-l@teleport.com > Subject: Disappointed with new 80W Headlights > > Thanks to all those who responded to my e-mail on 80W headlights. > > I got a pair over the weekend and is disappointed with them. The beam is not > as bright as I thought it would be (or for the price I paid). It is quite > different from most other new cars around, they have a far better beam than > what I have right now. I drove a Golf last week and I envy its headlights. > > Could my problem be the adjustment of the beam/light or all Corrados with > stock headlight are this bad? My 55W fog lamps are a lot brighter than my > 80W headlights. > Regards. > David > > From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Jun 22 05:07 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA21893; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 05:07:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRZTI65E7K0054DA@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 05:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id FAA18827 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 05:00:48 -0700 Received: from ROGER.BOWDOIN.EDU (roger.bowdoin.edu [139.140.20.7]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA18813 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 05:00:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:02:54 -0400 (EDT) From: TRUMPER@ROGER.BOWDOIN.EDU (Peter K. Trumper) Subject: Re: Disappointed with new Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <950622080254.21e0612c@ROGER.BOWDOIN.EDU> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"corrado-l@teleport.com" Precedence: bulk Status: RO EVERYTHING about the european H4/H3 headlights is better. If you do any driving in rural areas you will not be sorry that you bought them. I paid about $370 from Rapid Parts, and the improvement over OEM is second only to my replacing the OEM Conti tires. If I lived in an urban area where there were always streetlights and I rarely used high beams, I might feel differently about the cost/benefit however. BTW, if anyone ever needs a left-hand OEM headlight cheap, e-mail me! Peter Trumper Brunswick, Maine '92 SLC From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Jun 22 17:38 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08687; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:38:53 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HS0JQV33IO009K5T@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA00267 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:17:59 -0700 Received: from earth.willamette.edu (root@earth.willamette.edu [158.104.100.101]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00258 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:17:56 -0700 Received: from jupiter (therzog@jupiter.willamette.edu [158.104.1.1]) by earth.willamette.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with SMTP id RAA10772 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:17:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Herzog Subject: Euro Headlamps Summary In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO For those who care about the European headlamp assemblies (left and right replacements) that provide 60% (?) more light via a more sophisticated beam pattern (pretty much street illeagal in the US) and give you H4 bulbs, I contacted (6/22/95): - AutoTech (714) 240-4000 Have them, $445 + shipping - Rapid Parts (914) 352-1138 Can get them, $459.95 + shipping - Plain Wrap (310) 608-1243 Absolutely no idea. "Call APS." - Automotive Performace Systems (APS) (805) 388-8111 "Uh... not yet." ME, "What does that mean exactly?" "We're trying, but call us back in a couple of months or so." - Rabbit Hutch (local Oregon VW shop) (503) 692-2930 Can get them, $450 + shipping (recommended the 100 watt replacement bulbs instead) If you happen to find these lamps for less, please contact this list (corrado-l@teleport.com) and/or me. Given that these are generally illeagal except for off-road use, it is understandable that they are tough to find. Several people report having purchased them (some from these companies) for less, but your mileage may vary. An important note: The stock bulbs are (I think) 70w/50w high/low beam. It might be logical to assume that you could just throw 100watt bulbs into the stock assemblies and have brighter headlights. This is right and wrong. I saw a European magazine do the 100watt conversion to a stock car, but they added a relay and extra wiring to supply the extra power for the new bulbs. The existing wiring in the car was never meant to be able to handle that much extra power, and so the relay is there to keep from burning up the wiring harness. So it can make a BIG difference having brighter bulbs. That's where this is idea is right. This is how it's wrong. It's kinda like trying to get a deaf dog to sit by screaming louder. The beam patterns on the US spec headlamps are such that they "bleed" the light out over the road to meet US D.O.T. standards. This is fine and dandy if you live in a place where your tax dollars actually get spent on those wonderful street lights we all like. However, for those of us who like our country roads, staring down a deer at speed is a lot less stressful if you can see it before your VW ends up with a new fur coat. The European issue headlamps have a more precise beam pattern and H4 bulbs. This gives much more light to the road, and people who have done the conversion swear by them. So the 100watt bulbs are cheaper, give you a little more light, but stress your electrical system. The Eurolights are expensive, but provide considerably more light and have, as someone put it, "a really cool low beam pattern." Tom Herzog -- therzog@willamette.edu -- Tom_Herzog@ccm.fm.intel.com -- 1990 Corrado G60 From: TRUMPER@ROGER.BOWDOIN.EDU (Peter K. Trumper) > EVERYTHING about the european H4/H3 headlights is better. If you do > any driving in rural areas you will not be sorry that you bought them. > I paid about $370 from Rapid Parts, and the improvement over OEM > is second only to my replacing the OEM Conti tires. If I lived in > an urban area where there were always streetlights and I rarely used > high beams, I might feel differently about the cost/benefit however. > > BTW, if anyone ever needs a left-hand OEM headlight cheap, e-mail me! > > Peter Trumper > Brunswick, Maine > '92 SLC From: Hulda Jowett > I had the euro lights on my G60, it's my fault I did not make that > clear in my original message. If I could have grabed one aftermarket > piece off of that car before it burned, it would have been the lights. > All this talk about euro lights, I think I'll order them tomorow. > I think Plain Wrap Performance in CA. was cheapest. Low $300 range- the > most expensive I've seen is about $399. Most places will get or have. > > Brian 93 VR6 From usenet.eel.ufl.edu!hookup!uwm.edu!uwvax!uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Mon Mar 20 19:04:07 PST 1995 Article: 53807 of rec.autos.vw Path: usenet.eel.ufl.edu!hookup!uwm.edu!uwvax!uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ferrisl@aol.com (FerrisL) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Problems w/ 80/100 Watt Bulbs?? Date: 15 Mar 1995 16:49:44 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 16 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3k7ndo$n63@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: References: <3k9rkn$95c@rcogate.rco.qc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip1-4.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] In article <3k9rkn$95c@rcogate.rco.qc.ca> stephane@tecsys.com (Stephane Gadoury) writes: >I have a 94 Golf GL. I am looking to upgrade the lighting of the >car by adding a pair of driving lights under the front bumper >because I find the upgrade to the twin-bulb headlight arrangement >found on GTIs and Cabrios rather expensive. >So far, I am leaning towards a pair of PIAA 1000 lights. I am >interested if anyone has any other recommendations (eg: similar >improvement in illumination, lower cost). >Also, has anyone tried installing side marker lights on an A3? >Is anyone aware of a shop in the Montreal, Quebec area that might >be able to perform the mod? The PIAA 1000's are great. The powerful beam is highly focused and reaches down the road way past the highbeams. If you intend to leave them on all the time, for the "look", better aim them nice and low or else you'll blind every driver on the road. However, aimed low, they make a really nice supplement to the low beams (of course at a trade-off to range). Autobahn Designs offer a cheaper alternnative to the PIAA's. They offer elliptical projector driving/fog light kits for $130. However, the casing is a little long and not as compact as the 1000's. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----->Mark Ballesteros<------ \\|// E-mail: Ballesteros.1@osu.edu |0 -| Ohio State University -ooo---'---ooo-- From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Sep 27 23:22 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05288; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:22:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HVSDT7MW4G00AMH2@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA22278 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 20:53:21 -0700 Received: from gold.interlog.com (gold.interlog.com [198.53.145.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA22271 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 20:53:18 -0700 Received: from interlog.com.interlog.com (davidtam.interlog.com [199.212.156.51]) by gold.interlog.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA06051 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 23:53:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 23:53:13 -0400 From: davidtam@interlog.com (David Tam) Subject: Re: Improved Lighting Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: davidtam@gold.interlog.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199509250353.XAA06051@gold.interlog.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >I'm looking to upgrade the lighting on my G60. I would like to get a set of >80/100W #9004 bulbs, but I'm not sure whether or not the stock wiring can >take the current load. I put a set of 80/100's in my 86' GTI (it has a 16V >dual round headlight conversion kit) and the heat generated by the current >melted the fuse into the fuse panel! I had to fabricate a wiring harness w/ >remote relays in the engine compartment myself, but boy what a difference >that made. Will I have to do the same thing to the Corrado or is the stock >wiring heavy enough to handle the load? > >Thanx in advance. > >Matt H. >90' Corrado G60 - Blue Pearl Metallic >w/ APS Gen2 HP Kit & ABD Quickflow > I just had my headlights upgraded to the 80/100W #9004 on my 90 G60 about 4 months ago. Initially I had the same concern as you, but so far the wiring have not melted. The difference was I can the bean clearly and distinctively, but the real problem is with the stock headlight reflectors. I drove the new Golf III and the headlights were a lot better. Regards. David From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Oct 25 11:42 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24661; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:42:46 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HWUTPT7RM8000978@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09594 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:31:14 -0700 Received: from mailgate.advansys.com (root@anubis.advansys.com [204.247.22.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09298 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:30:33 -0700 Received: by mailgate.advansys.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0t8AeB-0008XgC; Wed, 25 Oct 95 11:33 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.advansys.com id AA814645325 Wed, 25 Oct 95 11:22:05 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:22:05 +0000 From: "Chen, Karl" Subject: high wattage head light bulbs Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9509258146.AA814645325@ccgate.advansys.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I want to thank all of those who responded to my inquiry about whether > the Corrado stock wiring will handle 2 100 watt bulbs in my headlights. > Well, for those who are interested, I was able to use them with no > problems at all. So now there are 200 watts of light on high beams. Too > bad the stock lenses are not that good though. I once bought those 80/100 Watts bulbs to replace US stock 9004 bulbs, I later removed them for following reasons: * the plastic connectors to bulbs blacken ( burned ) after long use. * the light pattern was bad because bulb filaments do not position at same place as stock ones. the result is spotty light. ( they were made in Korea ) * the bulbs burned out quickly. exam your connectors after a long high-beam on driving, you may need to replace them if they do not cause a fire. I think European H4 head lights is best but very expensive solution if you are not satisfied with stock ones. Look up Corrado club home page, it has some feedback about European head light conversion. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Nov 1 15:31 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA21128; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:31:46 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HX4TKSXYOW002GKT@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 01 Nov 1995 15:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA13889 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:43:22 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA13750 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:43:03 -0800 Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA23924 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:42:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 15:42:22 -0500 From: MHeff82156@aol.com Subject: Re: 100W H4s? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <951101154221_79897460@emout06.mail.aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO In a message dated 95-10-31 11:36:28 EST, you write: >Subj: 100W H4s? >Date: 95-10-31 11:36:28 EST >From: jayk@iscmed.med.ge.com (Kevin Jay x3-5357) >Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com >Reply-to: corrado-l@teleport.com >To: corrado-l@teleport.com > > >I know there was recently a thread about this, so forgive me for asking the >same question again .... but I believe a few of you guys have had good luck >putting 100/50W H4 bulbs in your headlights, yes? No problems with the >additional current demand or heat? > >Thanks .... > >= kjj Do you have a european headlight kit? The factory bulbs for the G60 are #9004's which are available in a 80/100W or a 55/100W (not sure what the VR6 uses). I think factory wattage is 45/65, but don't quote me on that. I think even the stock bulbs would be brighter if relays were used. I'd definitely use relays if stepping up to the higher wattage. That is, if you want to get the most out of your expensive bulbs. I had a GTi with a 16V headlight conversion kit and 80/100W H4's in the large lights and 100W H3's in the smaller lights (400W on high beam). I used this setup for awhile with the stock wiring. But when the high beam fuse melted into the fuse panel, I changed over to the relays in the engine compartment and heavy gauge wire. To make a long story short, the difference was like night and day. Literally! When people would beam me and I'd beam them back, I could actually see the grimace on their face. :-] Matt H. 90' G60 From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Nov 1 15:43 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA21409; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:43:22 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HX4U06K35S0026GC@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 01 Nov 1995 15:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA02275 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:35:23 -0800 Received: from uu9.psi.com (uu9.psi.com [38.145.107.9]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA02252 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:35:20 -0800 Received: from uu0981.UUCP by uu9.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA11790 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 95 00:32:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 23:38:00 -0400 From: tom.trawinski@syncomm.com (TOM TRAWINSKI) Subject: Re: 100W H4s? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: CORRADO-L@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <8B4158A.03E80279FF.uuout@syncomm.com> Organization: Synergy Online, Parsippany, NJ (201) 331-1797 X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 Precedence: bulk References: <8B41241.03E80278EF.uuout@syncomm.com> Status: RO LW>If you are using H4's I'd assume that you are using the euroversion headlight LW>and those can handle the heat from the bulb. I thik there is too much LW>resistance in the wire to not use a relay (this is only my personal opinion). LW>Now if only I could find a relay box that looks OEM..... Try MCM Electronics at 1-800-543-4330 and ask for their catalog. They carry Bosch-type 30 amp relays for under $5.00 each. I installed a pair in my former '88 Scirocco when upgrading the headlights. They also sell a neat relay socket that plugs right into the relay for a real nice look. Tom 1993 Corrado SLC From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Nov 11 07:08 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23948; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 07:08:24 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HXIAJZRTG0004002@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 07:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA25358 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:56:17 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25302 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:56:12 -0800 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA15539 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 20:55:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 20:55:39 -0500 From: HAPPIG@aol.com Subject: Re: Fog Lights (again) Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <951110205537_18947334@emout05.mail.aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Hey Happig...I didn't think you could change the VR6 fog bulbs. So the >lights are not completely sealed? Can you give me the specs on the yellow >bulbs again....TIA The fog light bulbs are size H3 halogen 55 watts. If you get 85 watts, you will definately crack the hell out of them. I'm telling this from experience:} You have to take out the fog light/blinker assembly by first popping out the turn signals on the VR6. The G60 requires the screw on the turn signal to come off. After you take out the turn signals there will be five screw holes. Two on the outer side and three on the inner side. One of the three is the screw for adjusting the beam up or down. If you turn that sucker too much you'll be shining at high-rise buildings and you won't be able to bring them back down. So look where the screw is before you unscrew the four. After that pull on the bracket from the blinker side and it'll pop out. Once out, unclip the seal on the back and disconnect the bulb bracket. DO NOT TOUCH THE BULB. Before installing halogen bulbs, I started to wipe the bulb with a Q-tip soaked with isoropyl alcohol to remove any oils and amino acids accidentally deposited from fingerprints. Let them dry and carefully put them in. For the kinds of bulbs, I've heard of three so far, PIAA, IPF, and FET. PIAA has a tint of green with the yellow. IPF is a darker yellow with a tiny trace of green. The FET is the darkest yellow of them all (I've only heard that). I'm buying a pair of FET bulbs this friday. PIAAS run around $21.00, IPF go for $22.00, and FET are more expensive $29.00. All of those bulbs are yellowish green. When they're on in the fog light housing they shine white from far away, but when you get close they are yellow; but if they shine on a wall or something, they're bad ass yellow. It changes the whole image of the car. I really recomment it. ======================================== May God rain plague and pestilence down upon you. May your plums shivel to the size of raisins. Yes you, Mr Muppet Brain who has decided to can the Corrado. Richard Meaden (Performance Car Magazine) Happig @ aol.com My little green monter strikes again! From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Dec 4 21:13 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA16510; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:13:19 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HYF91N7CPS003L7T@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 04 Dec 1995 21:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA04510 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:49:39 -0800 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@qiclab.scn.rain.com [204.188.34.97]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA04486 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:49:35 -0800 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.2) id ; Mon, 4 Dec 95 19:49 PST Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzstb11959; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.2) id ; Mon, 4 Dec 95 19:49 PST Received: by sopwith.UUCP (1.222/6.24) id AA20123; Mon, 4 Dec 95 19:34:01 PST Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 19:33:44 -0800 (PST) From: Snoopy Subject: manual ; clutch ; struts ; lights Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: qiclab!teleport.com!corrado-l@uunet.uu.net Cc: charles_crutchfield@crd.lotus.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9512050334.AA20123@sopwith.UUCP> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >> In fact, Bentley publishes all the factory manuals for Volkswagen. >> You'd have found this in the Volkswagen FAQ if you had looked there. > > Is this book in english?? > Is there an ISBN Number on it?? The Bentley manual for the Corrado, in English, is: VW Part No. LPV 800 300 Bentley Stock No. VC94 ISBN 0-8376-0387-0 List prices is about US$ 130-135. I got mine for $US 99 (plus shipping) from JC Whitney. You can get them from VW dealers if you can't find them anywhere else. You can also buy the factory microfische, it is less extensive than the Bentley. Note that Bentley manuals sometimes have errors. (Grrrr!) ====== Hydrallic (sp?) cluches are a real pain. Given that this started right after messing with the fluid, chances are high that there is something wrong with the hydrallics. I'd change the fluid a few more times before ripping the clutch apart. Don't shake the stuff up and get a bunch of disolved air in there. Make sure you are using the right fluid. My owner's manuals says to not use the silicone fluid. ==== > The allen wrench > socket stripped immediately. So we carefully slotted the post and put in a big > screw driver, perfect fit. And the metal tore away like clay. Yeah. Tell me about it. Don't even *think* about attempting to use a Sears allen wrench. Bilstein recommends Snap-On, which is a significantly snugger fit than Sears. But still not as good as it should be. And that metal at the top of the strut is as soft as butter. 6mm is just not enough for the torque required, especially with that soft metal. To get your strut off, you might try an impact wrench. Using channel-lock or vise-grip pliers on the shaft (reaching in between the spring coils) works well, but tends to scratch up the shaft, which would presumably then rip up the seal, and let the oil out. Wrapping the shaft with rubber might protect it enough? And use a torque wrench when you install the next one. === To improve headlights, forget the higher wattage 9000 series bulbs in the US headlights. More light in the eyes of oncoming traffic is not going to help you much. The euro H4/H3 headlights are several orders of magnitude better than the US lights. Even without high-wattage bulbs. They bolt right in, same as the US lights. The electrical connector is different, and will require an adapter, or for best results add relays. I used 10 gauge wire (the heavest wire that uses common crimp-on connectors), a 30 Amp fuse, and 2 30-Amp relays (one for low beams, one for hi beams). I created an entirely new current path from 10 gauge wire to power the lights, and the existing circuit drives the relays. You want to avoid Voltage drop. Interestingly, the fog lights have a factory relay, but the headlights do not. The entire headlight current flows through the headlight switch. (Some of you have noted that your headlight switch runs hot.) You can attach the power directly to the battery, or to the other end of an existing heavy gauge wire, such as the alternator or starter. Put the fuse near this connection. Wire from here to the switch side of the relay, from the relay to the lights, and from the lights to ground. Wire from the existing headlight circuit to the coil side of the relay. This can be lighter gauge wire. Be sure to aim the lights properly before driving in traffic. A local VW dealer carries plastic protective covers to keep rocks from smashing the lenses. I had to modify them to fit the euro lights, as the top edge that the cover clips onto is slightly different. I wired a heating element intended for a water heater to a variac, and ran it at about 52 VAC, rather than the 240 it was designed for. This was enough to soften the plastic, and I bent it to fit the euro lights. Being paranoid, I drilled a small hole at the top, and wired then to the car to make sure they wouldn't move or fall off when opening the hood. The hood holds them securely in place when closed. _____ /_____\ Snoopy /_______\ |___| qiclab.scn.rain.com!sopwith!snoopy |___| {ares,chip,parsely,schitzo,sequent}!sopwith!snoopy Germans make fast automobiles because anything that *doesn't* move fast enough in Germany is in danger of getting ground up into sausage. John Louis Anderson From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Dec 13 08:08 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA13469; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 08:08:09 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HYR2K1TP40005YFA@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 08:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA18861 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:32:57 -0800 Received: from mega.megamed.com (root@megamed.com [199.4.114.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA18805 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:32:45 -0800 Received: from Tim (mega209.megamed.com [199.4.114.209]) by mega.megamed.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA00393; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:32:39 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:27:29 +0000 From: Tim at ND Subject: Euro Headlights Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Cc: nsnyder@sugar-land.dowell.slb.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199512120132.RAA00393@mega.megamed.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Precedence: bulk Comments: Authenticated sender is Status: RO From: nsnyder@sugar-land.dowell.slb.com (Nick Snyder) >I was wondering if Tim would let us know when the >next shippment of Euro-headlights would be coming in. >I want a set.......:-) So do I. I sold mine to Kitt and now it's starting to rain. We are working on a shipment in the next few months. The headlights are one of the main items. I noticed all the discussion about the lights and have a few opinions. 1) The stock lights suck. Relays and brighter bulbs will get you brighter light but the pattern still sucks. 2) If you add Eurolights the relays do make a big difference if you run the bigger bulbs and are recommended regardless. bigger/shorter wire = less resistence 3) The round headlight conversion looks cool but you loose the aerodynamic advantage of the stock design. I still like them too and see Rodney has joined us on the list. He is the guy who made his own grille. (ask him to write about them) He is looking to sell the conversion in the future. 4) The factory fogs suck (always crack) and we all need to find a replacement for them. I am looking. **TT** turbotim@newdimensions.com http://www.newdimensions.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Dec 13 07:48 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA13229; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 07:48:06 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HYR1U9CIVK006X5I@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 07:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA11948 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:59:55 -0800 Received: from star.cirrus.com (cirrus.com [141.131.7.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA11587 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:58:51 -0800 Received: from sunstorm.corp.cirrus.com (sunstorm.corp.cirrus.com [141.131.8.51]) by star.cirrus.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA07044 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:58:42 -0800 Received: from ngmgw.corp.cirrus.com by sunstorm.corp.cirrus.com with SMTP id AA03309 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:58:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:59:00 -0500 (EST) From: RBN@corp.cirrus.com Subject: Round headlights Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priority: Urgent X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 11-Dec-1995 11:00:27 -0500; at ngmgw.cirrus X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 11-Dec-1995 10:58:46 -0800; at nova.cirrus Precedence: bulk References: Status: RO Form: Memo Text: (26 lines follow) Gentlemen, Many of you are asking about my round healights. I'm going to let the cat out of the bag. The headlight units are from an Audi 5000 and the grill was fabricated from fiberglass. TurboTim is uploading a picture of my car on the Corrado Club's homepage soon. If not I'll get pictures out, just e-mail me (rbn@corp.cirrus.com). This month I'll be re-fabricating the grill and have a fiberglass shop est. the cost to build copies. If you are interested, let me know. All adjusters are in place, I use Hella H4 lows and H1 highs. The Audi headlight assemblies bolt in, drilling only 2 holes at the bottom and setting screws in the top and bottom (real easy). The grill that I have now is a full cover across the front, with an "open mouth" opening in the middle, painted body color. It is possible to use the stock grill also. I'll give you more details upon request. Also for all of you SLC's with cracked fog lights, let me know if the mounting for the fog light is the same as the G-60. If so, I'll look into making covers w/ a hole for mounting round PIAA's in the space. Reguards, Rodney Noriel, (rbn@corp.cirrus.com) Use Proportional Font: true From ynk2k@avery.med.virginia.edu Wed Feb 14 15:22 PST 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA06892; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:22:52 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from virginia.edu (mars.itc.Virginia.EDU) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I17I47CZY8009SB7@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avery.med.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa07830; 14 Feb 96 12:33 EST Received: (from ynk2k@localhost) by avery.med.Virginia.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.6) id MAA156422 for jan@ug.eds.com; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:33:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: Yannis Nicholas Kolettis Subject: tranny oil To: Jan Vandenbrand Message-Id: <199602141733.MAA156422@avery.med.Virginia.EDU> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Hey again Jan-- Actually, I just got the oil in the mail and haven't had time to replace the stock lubricant with it... As soon as I have it in and drive around a bit I'll give you MY impressions. When I said "I think it's a worthwhile investment..." I was basically parroting what I'd heard from other users. Thanx again for the advice. Yan (93 SLC, 31K) -- Yannis Kolettis ynk2k@galen.med.virginia.edu From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Tue Apr 9 18:09 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24893; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:09:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I3CHU7Z2EO0055KB@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 09 Apr 1996 18:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26259; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:04:10 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA08301 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@qiclab.scn.rain.com [204.188.34.97]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA08183 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.2) id ; Tue, 9 Apr 96 16:34 PDT Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQakti19747; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.2) id ; Tue, 9 Apr 96 08:09 PDT Received: by sopwith.UUCP (1.222/6.24) id AA01188; Tue, 9 Apr 96 07:06:51 PST Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 08:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Snoopy Subject: Re: HELP! Headlight Wiring!!! In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:39:47 +0000. <199604090238.WAA13443@coconut.epix.net> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: qiclab!epix.net!bad90g@uunet.uu.net Cc: qiclab!willamette.edu!therzog@uunet.uu.net, qiclab!teleport.com!corrado-l@uunet.uu.net Reply-To: Snoopy Message-Id: <9604091506.AA01188@sopwith.UUCP> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO > The only way the parking > lights could trigger the relay, is if you've got one of the parking > light wires signaling the relay or your headlight switch is bad. This is incorrect. Study the wiring diagram awhile. Note that relay coils have a higher impedence than headlight filaments. > The parking lights are on a completely > different circuit than the high and low beams. You would think so, but this is not the case. > Sounds like the headlight switch to me. It is the switch, but it is the bizzare design, not a broken switch. | I can't turn OFF my headlights!!! Even with the switch in the full off position? | Do I have the relays wired backwards, as in the two leads, one | for ground, one for trigger, or do they not matter? Assuming they are normal relays, reversing the coil connections will have no effect. | I can't figure | out how the relays are getting the signal to open themselves... Through the indicator light in the headlight switch. Note that even with stock wiring, the headlights get a small amount of current through them when the running lights are on, but it is so small that they don't light up visably. The headlight filaments (or relay coils) and the indicator light form a voltage divider. The higher impedence of the relay coils means the coils get a larger fraction of the voltage, which can be enough to trigger the relays. Mine was right on the edge, so they came on sometimes, but not always. Also note that with stock wiring, the indicator is on in the running lights position, but off in full headlights position. With my mod, the indicator light in on in both positions. Cars with daylight running lights (e.g. Canada) are significantly different. -Snoopy From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Tue Apr 9 18:35 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25142; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:35:07 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I3CHUQ2N74004QJY@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 09 Apr 1996 18:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26496; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:04:41 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA21469 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@qiclab.scn.rain.com [204.188.34.97]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21425 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.2) id ; Tue, 9 Apr 96 17:02 PDT Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaktk24896; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.2) id ; Mon, 8 Apr 96 22:41 PDT Received: by sopwith.UUCP (1.222/6.24) id AA28472; Mon, 8 Apr 96 21:35:19 PST Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 22:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Snoopy Subject: Re: HELP! Headlight Wiring!!! In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:17:12 -0700 (PDT). Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: qiclab!willamette.edu!therzog@uunet.uu.net Cc: qiclab!teleport.com!corrado-l@uunet.uu.net Reply-To: Snoopy Message-Id: <9604090535.AA28472@sopwith.UUCP> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Now when I turn on the headlight switch to parking lights only, I get > headlights too. Welcome to VW's bizzare wiring. First of all, don't worry, this won't hurt anything, except that you will sometimes get the headlights on when you just wanted the running lights. Their scheme depends on the headlights being low impedence. The relays have a higher impedence, thus your problem. Spend a few days with the wiring diagram and you can eventually figure it out. The fix is simple, but requires surgery on some light gauge wiring inside the headlight switch. Delicate! Be careful. You'll need needlenose pliers, wire cutters, and a soldering iron (either low wattage or temperature controlled). Take your headlight switch apart and you will find, amoung other things: terminal 58 ---------|>|----~~~~~~-------- terminal 56 diode "grain of wheat" light bulb You want to disconnect the wire from terminal 56 and connect it to terminal 31 instead: terminal 58 ---------|>|----~~~~~~-------- terminal 31 diode "grain of wheat" light bulb Carefully put the switch back together and reinstall in car. Presto! the lights work the way they should. =============== Note that the stock wiring does not have relays for the headlights, thus the full current goes through the headlight switch. Some folks on the list have reported their switch being hot, and some have have had their switch fail. Relays should help this a lot. =============== Also note that the car turns the main headlights off when you switch off the ignition, but due to their bizzare wiring lots of other stuff remains on. I plan to either find a fix for this, of hook up a chime for lights on and key out. Running lights take a long time to run a battery down, but that other stuff doesn't! (Guess how I know.) If the headlights aren't driving you nuts, you might want to wait a few days, in case the fix for the other problem also involves modifying the same switch. -Snoopy From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Wed Apr 10 03:18 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03526; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:18:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I3D10YG1R4004SOT@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA15105; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:13:33 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15086 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from coconut.epix.net (root@grape.epix.net [199.224.64.22]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA15068 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .epix.net (lsptppp83.epix.net [199.224.66.83]) by coconut.epix.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA09101; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:12:17 +0000 From: Matt Heffner Subject: Re: HELP! Headlight Wiring!!! Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: Snoopy , corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Matt Heffner Message-Id: <199604101010.GAA09101@coconut.epix.net> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Precedence: bulk Comments: Authenticated sender is Status: RO On 8 Apr 96 at 22:35, Snoopy wrote: > From: Snoopy > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 96 22:35:11 PDT > To: qiclab!willamette.edu!therzog@uunet.uu.net > Cc: qiclab!teleport.com!corrado-l@uunet.uu.net > Subject: Re: HELP! Headlight Wiring!!! > Reply-to: Snoopy > The fix is simple, but requires surgery on some light gauge wiring > inside the headlight switch. Delicate! Be careful. You'll need > needlenose pliers, wire cutters, and a soldering iron (either low wattage > or temperature controlled). > > Take your headlight switch apart and you will find, amoung other things: > > > terminal 58 ---------|>|----~~~~~~-------- terminal 56 > diode "grain > of wheat" > light bulb > > > You want to disconnect the wire from terminal 56 and connect > it to terminal 31 instead: I see what you are doing. Your making an alternate path to ground for the parking light indicator. Rather than grounding it through the headlight filaments, your connecting it right to ground inside the switch. Clever!! I was going to suggest using a resistor or zener diode in series with the low beam relay signal wire in order to drop some voltage and keep the relay from triggering in the 'park' position, but still allow it to trigger in the 'on' position. There ought to be a 2-3V difference in potential in the yellow/black signal wire when switch is in the 'park' as opposed to the 'on' position, since the diode and the LED inside the switch drop some voltage in the 'park' position. Matt '90 G60 From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Wed Apr 10 03:18 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03522; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:18:00 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I3D10WJ6Z4005C8Q@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA15073; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:13:29 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15049 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from coconut.epix.net (root@grape.epix.net [199.224.64.22]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA15042 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .epix.net (lsptppp83.epix.net [199.224.66.83]) by coconut.epix.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA09094; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:12:18 +0000 From: Matt Heffner Subject: Re: HELP! Headlight Wiring!!! Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: Snoopy , corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Matt Heffner Message-Id: <199604101010.GAA09094@coconut.epix.net> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Precedence: bulk Comments: Authenticated sender is Status: RO On 9 Apr 96 at 8:06, Snoopy wrote: > From: Snoopy > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 96 08:06:44 PDT > To: qiclab!epix.net!bad90g@uunet.uu.net > Cc: qiclab!willamette.edu!therzog@uunet.uu.net, > qiclab!teleport.com!corrado-l@uunet.uu.net > Subject: Re: HELP! Headlight Wiring!!! > Reply-to: Snoopy > > The only way the parking > > lights could trigger the relay, is if you've got one of the parking > > light wires signaling the relay or your headlight switch is bad. > > This is incorrect. Study the wiring diagram awhile. Note that > relay coils have a higher impedence than headlight filaments. I'm sure the coils do have a much higher impedance. > > The parking lights are on a completely > > different circuit than the high and low beams. > > You would think so, but this is not the case. The parking lights themselves ARE on a completely different circuit. It's the parking light indicator bulb that is on the same circuit as the headlights, not the actual parking lights themselves. > The headlight > filaments (or relay coils) and the indicator light form a voltage > divider. The higher impedence of the relay coils means the coils > get a larger fraction of the voltage, which can be enough to trigger > the relays. Mine was right on the edge, so they came on sometimes, > but not always. I thought that LEDs and diodes always dropped an approx. (varies slightly with the current through the diode) fixed amount of voltage. Silicon diodes normally drop anywhwere from 0.5 to 0.7V (germanium diodes slightly lower at 0.3 - 0.5V). LEDs normally drop anywhere from 1.5 to 2.5V. This would leave a fixed voltage on the yellow/black signal wire, regardless of its impedance, and just vary the amount of current flow through the LED/diode combo inside the switch. Is the indicator light a true LED? Matt '90 G60 From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Wed Apr 10 23:36 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03764; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:36:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I3E6SGEYM8004BHD@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13211; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:08:58 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15720 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zgs.zgs.com (zgs.com [204.240.227.254]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15333 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zgs.com (beast.zgs.com [204.240.227.2]) by zgs.zgs.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA09122; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:59:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fubar by zgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA04193; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:09:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:09:37 +0000 From: Shaun Feakes Subject: Re: Parking lights In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960410201625.006d4ddc@198.6.9.2> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: bwhite@thepoint.net Reply-To: Shaun Feakes Message-Id: <1996Apr10.160937+0000@fubar> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: BWMail for Windows Version 3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Originating-Host: fubar Precedence: bulk Status: RO This is getting funny now. >>>City lights; the little lightbulbs in the headlights that is used in europe >>>as a step between parking lights and headlights. It lets other drivers see >>>you without projecting bright lights into everyones faces. >> >>Nope these are parking lights. > >No...they are city lights....think here. If you have headlights on, the >main bulb >is lit...correct?? Real bright right??? Yes....but...city lights have a >small 'turn signal-type' >light in there, just to light the inside....not to provide illumination for >the driver. >Parking lights are: The first position of the headlight switch (unless you >are in Canada!) Which is what I just said in my last email. ( first position on the light switch is the parking light). On the corrado it's slightly diferent because you have an extra light unit next to the main light unit. On all cars I have had prior to the Corrado ( in Europe ), there is a small bulb that you described above in the main light unit. This is the parking light. Yup we all agree on that one. Now the problem comes ( I am ignoring Canada here as I don't know what the spec is ) the corrado does not have this bulb, it has an extra light unit ( connected to the main light unit ), This serves the purpos of the parking light, Doesn't it.? Right that does it that light unit is comming off tonight. If it doesn't serve the purpos of a parking light what the hell does.? > The front makers, rear side markers, rear tail lamps, and possible >some front markers come on. > On North America Corrados, the front markers are in fact little >bulbs in the inner part of the > headlight...similier to the European 'City lights' > By Markers do you mean the turn signels.? If so no. It is illegal it have indicators / turn signels on all the time in MOST of Europe. BUT, There is a thing called Marker lights on Lorries ( Trucks ) in Europe but these are not the turn signels, and some people place them on there car. But this is not a standard thing, Not on VW anyway. But I suppost thoes goddamned awfel Orange/Yellow lights on the side of the bumper on the Corrado could be called marker lights, BUT on the Europian version of the Corrado these are Indicators / Turn signel lights they are NOT on all the time with the lights only then you turn the indicator/turn signel on. > >>The lights next to the indicators / turn signels on the Corrado. >>These are `Driving lights` if they were yellow they would be called >>`Fog lights`. > >Not correct. Lens colour does not a light make. - Shakespeare. I thaught that was `Alas poor Yorik I knew him well Horatio` - Shakespear >Just look at a Hella catalog sometime. You can get fogs in clear, >rectangle, round, yellow...whatever. Driving lights too. >The difference here is the light pattern. Fog lights spread the light around >driving lights focus the light forward. BTW...the Corrado's front aux lamps >are FOG lamps....they just happen to be clear. > Yup I know that, but I stated what DVLC said they have to be. We were talking about Europe so I stated DVLC as my ref/ point. As I said before DVLC state the light pattern / Colour / height above the road & distance between all lights that all car menufacturers have to stick to if they want to sell a car in the UK. This is also the same for most of Europe, Not all of europe before somewone flames me on that. DVLC also maintain lots of other things as well. Later, Looking forward to a reply. _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Shaun Feakes _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ sf@zgs.com _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ 93 Corrado SLC From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri Apr 26 07:18 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA07450; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:18:26 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I3ZM4JWC3K008ZMF@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13095; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:14:20 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA13071 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailer.together.net (root@mailer.together.net [204.97.120.27]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13061 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from Uhallam@localhost) by mailer.together.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id JAA09720; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:44:14 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by hallam.hallam.com id AA830536920 Fri, 26 Apr 96 09:42:00 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:42:00 +0000 From: cgade@hallam.com Subject: Re: Cool Lights Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com, Pete Kummer Reply-To: cgade@hallam.com Message-Id: <9603268305.AA830536920@hallam.hallam.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO The lights are arc-lamps which emit different wavelengths of light than halogen lights. The lamp is a gas filled bulb which ionizes the gas between two electrodes. Some BMW's have similar lights (I believe they area $1000 option on the BMW's). Arc lamps tend to be more fussy than standard incandescent lights. They require a high starting voltage to ionize the gas within the bulb, they burn hot, expensive and are fragile. The resulting wavelength depends upon the type of gas. My experiences have been with Sodium (yellowish, yuk) Mercury (lots of blue and green) and Mercury Xenon (a better reproduction of sunlight and probably what was on the Porsche and BMW). I agree that they are very cool and useful. Chris Vermont 93 SLC ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Cool Lights Author: Pete Kummer Precedence: bulk at Internet Date: 4/26/96 9:02 AM The other night I was driving home when I spotted what looked like a UFO in my rearview mirror. This vehicle was approaching me VERY quickly, and I was already running at about 80. So I watched, with awe as this vehicle approched me. The lights on this car were amazing. They looked light flourecent lights, only very bright with a beautiful light pattern. As the car came up behind me (I was in the right lane, now travelling at about 90), I felt as though I was going to be snatched up by these ET's. But to my relief, this vehicle, a Porsche 911 Turbo, screamed by me at what I estimate as 125-130. WOW, what a beautiful car! And those lights! Does anyone know of these lights, and if they are available for the Corrado? I would really like to take the foglamps out and install something like these 'wonderlights' there. Pete K. s31207%mother@utrcgw.utc.com From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri May 3 00:58 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23070; Fri, 3 May 1996 00:58:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I48XE7UEXS008EIW@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 02 May 1996 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16412; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 2 May 1996 10:58:30 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA20192 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omega.uta.edu (omega.uta.edu [129.107.1.23]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19458 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from htt1743@localhost) by omega.uta.edu (8.7.3/8.6.9) id MAA23513; Thu, 2 May 1996 12:12:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 12:12:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Hamton Subject: European bulbs Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado Reply-To: Hamton Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I saw this in Turbo Magazine and thought someone from the list might find it interesting since so many of us are complaining about the headlights. I'm just going to copy what the mag. says. I hope nobody file lawsuit or anything. OPII Technology is offering European-style crystal-ion bulbs for fog lights and head light replacements. The bulbs increase candle power by 30 to 35 percent without extra wattage. They are available for all 1986 and newer cars with aerodynamic headlamps. H series and the 9000 are also available. Fore more information, contact: OPII Technology PO Box 282844, Dept. THP San Francisco, CA 94128 (415) 665-6886 Can someone check it out and keep us informed? Huey - '90 Red G60/HKS Super Power Flow Grill Spoiler/Pilot 2020 Foglights 16" Momo Arrows/Neuspeed P-Chip From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Tue Jul 9 02:05 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA00161; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 02:05:15 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-6 #15834) id <01I6UORS2400002C1D@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Tue, 09 Jul 1996 02:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24999; Mon, 08 Jul 1996 18:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 08 Jul 1996 18:30:24 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA05378 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 08 Jul 1996 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dencbis94.twcable.com (dencbis94.twcable.com [205.138.118.193]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03358 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 1996 14:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from denmisf01.twcable.com by dencbis94.twcable.com with SMTP id AA18438 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 08 Jul 1996 15:09:33 -0600 Received: from dencmis93.comm.twcable.com (dencmis94.comm.twcable.com) by denmisf01.twcable.com with SMTP id AA18231 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 08 Jul 1996 15:17:28 -0600 Received: from ccMail by dencmis93.comm.twcable.com (SMTPLINK V2.10.05) id AA836860814; Mon, 08 Jul 1996 15:13:39 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 15:13:39 -0700 (MST) From: george.fairbanks@twcable.com Subject: Draft - make your VW complain you left your lights on Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: george.fairbanks@twcable.com Message-Id: <9606088368.AA836860814@dencmis93.comm.twcable.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 97 Text Precedence: bulk Status: RO _SUBJECTS_ I've been bothered for a few years that my VW's don't tell me when I leave my lights on. I asked on r.a.vw a few times and nobody responded on how to do this. Over the weekend I poked around with a multimeter and managed not to set my car on fire. I've put together this quick document on what I did and would like suggestions before I give it out to everybody. Specifically I'd like comments on: 1. Is anything I've done just plain WRONG? 2. How to make the noisemaker work for both lights and when key is left in ignition. I think I could do this but don't care much because leaving the keys in is not my particular vice. 3. Better connections of wire - I just twisted the wire onto the pin on the module and shoved it in with the fuse on the other end. 4. Connections on the back of the fusebox - I started out trying to wire this up from behind the box, but gave up quickly. This job would look a bit more professional if the wiring was done behind 5. Any need for fuses or diodes to keep current flowing the right way? 6. I mention fuses 7&8 from memory - it might be 6&7... Without further ado: "How to make your VW tell you that you left your lights on again" First draft George Fairbanks Do this at your own risk 1. Find the module It is above the fuses, about 1" x 1" x 2". It is the one that stops making noise when you pull it out. 2. Pin identification The one from my 86 8-valve Scirocco looks like: - - | | - - The one from the 92 Corrado SLC looks like: - - | | - - - The pin (tab, connector, whatever you want to call it) that we are interested in is marked with an arrow below: - - | | - <--- The important pin - 3. Making it work - theory The buzzer currently sounds if: - The door is open - The key is in the ignition We will make it sound when: - The door is open - The lights are left on The pin labeled "The important pin" above should get voltage when we want the noisemaker to activate. When your high beams or low beams are on, so are your taillights. If we get voltage from that source and hook it up to the "important pin" then the noisemaker will sound when your high beams, low beams, or just your taillights are accidentally left on. 4. Making it work - practice If you have a module like in the Corrado that has an extra pin: bend that pin down (towards the side) and cover it with black electrical tape. That pin doesn't seem to do anything. Connect one end of a short piece ( 4" - 6" ) of wire to "The important pin". Bend this pin down so that it will not insert into the tab in the fuse box. Connect the other end of the wire to the fuse that controls your taillights. On my Scirocco and on the Corrado, fuses 7 and 8 control the left and right taillights, respectively. From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Thu Jul 11 04:48 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05565; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:48:53 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-6 #15834) id <01I6XN2BT3C0002880@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11434; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:16:13 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25338 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rio.com (rio.com [206.96.130.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25299 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.96.130.132] (p32.t0.rio.com [206.96.130.132]) by rio.com (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id UAA05713 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: arne@rio.com (Arne Berglund) Subject: Fog light wiring Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: arne@rio.com (Arne Berglund) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Decided to see what would be involved in wiring my 90 G60's fog lights to go on & off with the low beams like the factory fogs on my wife's 91 GLI do. No special reason, just to be a little different. Anyway, got out both Bentleys and started tracing circuts. Found out the wiring on both cars is the same! No difference at all! Then noticed that the relays didn't use the same terrminals, so I swapped them from car to car. Now the Corrado's fogs go on & off with the low beams, and the Jetta's work any time the parking lights are on. So if you want to change how your fogs work, all you have to do is change the relay, no wiring changes at all. 1990-92 GTI & GLI owners could change easily to the other type too. Nice that VW gives us options... Arne Berglund 90 Corrado G60 91 GLI 16v ******************************************************** arne@rio.com http://www.rio.com/~arne/ "Arne's Page: Mostly Matchboxes" ******************************************************** From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Thu Jul 11 04:41 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05366; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:41:45 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-6 #15834) id <01I6XMTH0JGW00315A@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA29249; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:36:34 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA29157 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OHSTMVSA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (ohstmvsa.acs.ohio-state.edu [128.146.1.3]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA29151 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OHSTMVSA.BITNET by OHSTMVSA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (IBM MVS SMTP V2R2.1) with BSMTP id 3169; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 07:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 07:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Edward S. Sterling" Subject: Tom Trawinski Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: "Edward S. Sterling" Message-Id: <199607111136.EAA29151@desiree.teleport.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Tom, tried to respond to your question re:headlight protectors but it came back as undeliverable so I am trying to respond thru the list. I just put on the Griot garage 3M film cover on my euro's and it seems to work fine. Cost was ~$45 US. I got a larger piece so I knew I would have some material left over - it allowed for mistakes and possible other uses. The film is much thicker than I expected - I consider that a plus, attaches well and pretty easy. Hope that helps altho that was not the question you were asking, it is an alternative. ED From owner-corrado-l@TELEPORT.COM Fri Jul 12 21:04 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14716; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:04:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-6 #15834) id <01I6ZZC67LPS00329G@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10125; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:25:45 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA25304 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seca.com (sapporo.seca.com [206.1.196.143]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24524 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by seca.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02366; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:01:47 -0600 Received: from petes by petes.seca.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA00638; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:02:49 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:02:49 -0600 From: Joel Swanson Subject: [Fwd: Re: Headlight Protectors] Sender: owner-corrado-l@TELEPORT.COM To: corrado-l@TELEPORT.COM Reply-To: Joel Swanson Message-Id: <31E6CB89.5A1F@seca.com> Organization: SecaGraphics Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; U; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------78201C2E1E71" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------78201C2E1E71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry folks for the wasted bandwidth but it appears that Tom's mail server is still on the blink. This post is intended for him but if your interested please feel free to indulge. Have a great weekend! P.S. Tom check your mailer, it bounced this post back in my face. Joel. --------------78201C2E1E71 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from seca.com by petes.seca.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00625; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:55:02 -0600 Received: by seca.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02355; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:53:57 -0600 Received: from petes by petes.seca.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00622; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:55:00 -0600 Sender: joels@seca.com Message-Id: <31E6C9B3.DCC@seca.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:54:59 -0600 From: Joel Swanson Organization: SecaGraphics X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; U; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ttrawin@warwick.net Cc: joels@host.seca.com Subject: Re: Headlight Protectors References: <9607122054.AA22138@host> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1814 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Tom Trawinski wrote: > Yes I want more info. How do they install? Do they clip on > to the lights, and if so, where? Also if you can get me a part > number and phone number of the company that makes them I would eally > appreciate it. My Euro lights need protection! > > Thanks, > Tom Trawinski > 1993 Corrado SLC > ttrawin@warwick.net Hey Tom, I'm not sure about the part number, I got them about a year and a half ago, but I might have the box somewhere. Your best bet would be to call Tynan's VW parts department and tell them that you want to know about the EGR headlight covers. Their number is (303)343-8180. They ordered them for me at a cost of about $45 US. I think that they are a fairly popular brand as I have seen them on other cars. You may check your local autoparts store, they'll probably have to order them for you, the VW dealer didn't even have them in stock. As far as the covers themselves, they are clear molded plastic, one for each headlight. They have tabs that slide over the top and bottom of your light. They fit snuggly and cannot be removed after you hood is closed. As I mentioned before, they even fit when I have my Autobahn front end cover installed. I originally ordered these for my old G60 after dropping about $400 US for replacement headlights but I now have a 93 SLC and they fit perfectly so I think they are one size fits all. Now as I also mentioned before, I don't know about your Euro lights. If they are the same size as the stock (US) lights than you shouldn't have any problems but if the Euro's are bigger or smaller you might want to make sure that you can return the headlight covers if you order them. Let me know if you need more info. C-Ya, Joel, 93 SLC. P.S. If your ever in the Denver area let me know, you can try mine on for size. --------------78201C2E1E71-- From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Wed Aug 21 06:59 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA01710; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:59:14 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from greta.teleport.com (greta.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01I8J1JTLBR4001X6N@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA28304; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:35:01 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA28264 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA28232 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA23960 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gold.interlog.com (root@gold.interlog.com [198.53.145.2]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.7.4/8.7.4) with ESMTP id JAA26214; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from interlog.interlog.com (davidtam.interlog.com [199.212.156.51]) by gold.interlog.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA15576; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:34:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:34:09 -0400 From: David Tam Subject: Re: Advice on Euro-headlight Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: Michael Yin Cc: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: David Tam Message-Id: <321B1051.4292@interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <05162777815623@mortimer.com> Status: RO Michael Yin wrote: > > Perhaps anyone with Euro-headlight can help me out a little... > > Can you tell me the advantage of the Euro-headlight over the stock > headlight, before I spend $7XX Cdn dollors on the new headlight, and prove > to my friends that I am not nuts for spending that much $ for a headlight... > > thanks.. Michael, I you have fog lights on your Corrrado then the euros would not make a big difference in low beam. The euro has a wider pattern which spreads out more. I have the stock fogs and euros, now the the fogs on there is not much of a difference. The high beam is the big difference. Once you turn on your high beam the driving lights and high beam come on at the same time. This would totally blind anyone in front of you and the driving lights give a distinve pattern to light up the pavement about 30 feet a head. What I did on my Corrado is to disconnect the high beam and only use the driving lights. If I were to do it again I would not pay $800 CDN including tax for them. Maybe stay with the fogs or replace the fogs with driving lights. Mine you this set up would cost about $500 CDN including installation. So you be the judge. Regards. Davidtam@interlog.com From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri Oct 4 10:26 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19701; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:14:55 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from greta.teleport.com (greta.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IA8N0I0QI8002KW9@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17160; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:09:08 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id JAA17030 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17007 for ; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.74) id ; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 11:08:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 11:08:57 -0600 From: Don Ingram Subject: Euro lights Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Don Ingram Message-Id: Organization: 1-FAST-VW Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Precedence: bulk Comments: Authenticated sender is Status: RO Well, I finally bought/installed the euro lights for my C. All I can say is an echo of what others have said: "WOW!!!!" I am totally amazed that much light can come from the front of my C. Install time was about 3 hours total and that included 1 hour for a trip to Pep Boys and Radio Shack to get wires, fuse holders, relays, etc. I bought the lights from ND but didn't buy their wiring harness. I spent ~$20US for 2 SPST 30A 12V relays, some spade connectors and assorted colors of 12 gauge wire. I wired it so that one relay drives both low beams and the other relay drives both high beams. I figured that if one whole circuit dies, at least I'll still have some lighting capability. Now for the sheepish "I can't believe I didn't read that when it was first posted" part: With the light switch in the parking light position and the dimmer switch set to low beams, the low beams come on. If I switch the high beams on, (even though the light switch is still set to parking only) the low beams go off and the high beams stay off. I remember scanning past this exact topic several weeks ago, but since I didn't have the euro lights then and didn't really know when I was going to get them, I didn't pay attention. BTW, I'll be happy to post of e-mail a wiring diagram of how I hooked up the relay, etc. for those who might not want to buy the ND harness. Again, TIA, and if you don't have these lights on your C, save your pennies and get them. They're worth it! Best regards, Don Ingram 93 SLC - Flash Red/Black Leather - Spax S&S, cup holder, Momo Shadow shift knob, homebrew P-Flo, polished tailpipe, smoked side blinkers, custom center armrest, euro lights, and too much stereo! :) From dingram@mail.airmail.net Fri Oct 4 13:10 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA00372; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:08:42 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.airmail.net by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IA8V6HO2B4003B77@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 13:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.74) id ; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 15:03:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 15:03:06 -0600 From: Don Ingram Subject: Re: Euro lights To: Jan Vandenbrande Reply-To: dingram@airmail.net Message-Id: Organization: 1-FAST-VW Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Comments: Authenticated sender is Status: RO > > With the light switch in the parking light > > position and the dimmer switch set to low beams, the low beams come > > on. If I switch the high beams on, (even though the light switch is > > still set to parking only) the low beams go off and the high beams > > stay off. > > Any solution to this problem? I think there may be. Someone responded with the following info, which I'm going to test tonight: > Pop out your headlight switch (I fould this to be easiest by > removing the gauge baffle and popping it out from the rear). You'll > notice a white wire with a black stripe in position "56." You'll > have to separate the switch from the wiring plug to see the pin > designations. Remove this wire, and plug it into the hole > corresponding to position "NSL." This has corrected all the > problems I've heard about, assuming all else is fine. That solution was from: allwise.lucent.com!dtipton > > BTW, I'll be happy to post of e-mail a wiring diagram of how I hooked > > up the relay, etc. for those who might not want to buy the ND > > harness. > > Yeah, I'd be interested in a wiring diagram. Okie... No problem... I've had one other request for the diagram so I'll draw it up in Paintbrush and make a JPG of it. I can also try ASCII art, but historically I'm terrible at ASCII drawings. If you think it'd be a good idea, I'll try to do something suitable for inclusion into the FAQs. Step by step, that kinda thing. Just let me know. Regards, Don Ingram 93 SLC - Flash Red/Black Leather - Spax S&S, cup holder, Momo Shadow shift knob, homebrew P-Flo, polished tailpipe, smoked side blinkers, custom center armrest, euro lights, and too much stereo! :) From dingram@mail.airmail.net Sun Oct 6 22:34 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA26545; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 22:32:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.airmail.net by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IAC7FWU65C002V5R@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Sun, 06 Oct 1996 22:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.74) id ; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 00:26:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 00:26:16 -0600 From: Don Ingram Subject: Euro Light Install To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Cc: BKXPSC@tevm2.nsc.com Reply-To: dingram@airmail.net Message-Id: Organization: 1-FAST-VW Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Comments: Authenticated sender is Status: RO Here are the procedures I followed to create my own (ie < $100US) wiring harness to install the euro lights for a 93 C. Parts list: Phillips screwdriver Wire cutters Wire stripper Wire connector crimper Knife 2 12V 30A SPST relays - Radio Shack #275-226 8 10/12 guage spade connectors 2 inline blade-type fuse holders ~2 meters of 12 gauge wire in red, yellow, and white (you may also use thicker wire, but this should suffice.) heat shrink tubing solder and solder pencil -or- butt connectors -or- m/f spade connectors (for semi-permanent use) cable ties split loom wrap or spiral wire wrap (as you may have guessed, I *am* anal retentive) :) Before you start -- Please let me implore you to adequately determine your mechanical/electrical skills. After all, you are fiddling with your headlights here. They are a safety item. Quality is paramount. You don't want your work falling apart one night when you're exploring that new curvy road 50km from the nearest auto store. More importantly, *I* don't want to be on the same road when *your* headlights quit working! :) 1. Disconnect the positive connection from the battery. (I didn't do this step but I don't want to be responsible if you blow yourself to smithereens) 2. Remove the center grille 3. Remove the stock headlights 4. Locate and cut off the stock connectors. (You may want to leave a short length of wire in case you ever decide to reconnect the factory lights.) 5. Wrap a length of the red, yellow, and white 12 gauge wires in the split loom or spiral wire wrap. This should be long enough to extend across the front of the car and leave 30cm hanging out each of the headlight openings. Be careful routing this wire bundle! You want to make sure it is not in an area that will be subject to chafing. Do *NOT* secure the bundle with the wire ties yet! I chose a route directly in front of (but not touching) the A/C condensor. <- following instructions are for the left headlight -> 6. Using the knife, carefully peel away 2cm of the covering from both the stock parking light wires and the stock headlight wires. Do *NOT* cut into the insulation on the individual wires. 7. Strip 1cm of insulation from the brown wire on the factory parking light harness. This will be connected to the ground wire from the euro light. (According to the instructions I received from ND, this may be either brown or black.) Strip 1cm of insulation from the euro light ground wire. Slide a short length of shrink tubing over the euro light ground wire. You may use either spade connectors, butt connectors, or solder. Solder will probably make the most secure connection -- but only if you know how to solder! If you're not comfortable with your soldering skills, the butt connectors will be the next best option. After you have made the connection, slide the shrink tubing over the connection and use a small flame to shrink it. 8. Strip 1cm of insulation from the white with black stripe wire on the factory headlight harness. Slide a short length of shrink wrap over the wire. Crimp a female spade connector onto this wire. Slide the shrink wrap on and use heat to secure. Slide this connector onto terminal 86 on one of the relays. (After this point, I will just say to make the connection. Since I have described both types of connection, I will expect the reader to strip, crimp and shrink wrap all the connections properly.) 9. Connect the black wire from the factory parking light harness to the gray wire from the euro light harness. 10. Connect the brown wire from the factory headlight harness to terminal 85 of the relay. 11. Connect the white wire from your homemade "across the car" harness *and* the white wire from the euro light harness to terminal 30/51 of the relay. 12. Connect the red wire from your homemade "across the car" harness *and* a 30cm length of red wire to terminal 87 of the relay. *NOTE* do not connect the 30cm red wire to anything yet. This is for the future connection to the battery. 13. Connect the yellow wire from your homemade "across the car" harness to the yellow wire on the euro light harness. 14. Move to the passenger side of the car. 14a.Cut any excess wire from your homemade harness. Make sure you leave enough wire to remove the headlight while the connector is attached. You will thank me for this later! 15. Connect the brown wire on the factory parking light harness to the ground wire from the euro light harness. 16. Connect the brown wire from the factory headlight harness to terminal 85 on the other relay. 17. Connect the yellow with black stripe wire from the factory headlight harness to terminal 86 on the relay. 18. Connect the red wire from the homemade "across the car" harness to terminal 87 of the relay. 19. Connect the yellow wire from the euro light harness to terminal 30/51 of the relay. 20. Connect the white wire from your homemade "across the car" harness to the white wire from the euro light harness. 21. Install the bulbs in the euro lights. Make certain that you do not touch the glass part of the halogen bulbs! 22. Check your connections again! Did you shrink wrap everything? 23. Find a secure place to mount the relays. There is a small hole in a tab on the top of the relay. I used an existing little cable tie. YMMV. 24. Check your connections! 25. Temporarily install the passenger headlight. Do not screw it back in yet. 26. Use the wire ties to secure your homemade harness. This is very important to prevent chafing and wearing through the insulation. 27. Check the connections on the driver's side. 28. Temporarily install the driver's side headlight. 29. Connect both inline blade fuse holders on the 30cm red wire - in PARALLEL!! You will probably want to route this wire safely and cut off any excess. It is also a good idea to install the fuses in a visible location. Note that the fuses are installed in parallel. I suggest this for flexibility in the amperage ratings you can achieve. If I remember correctly, a 100w bulb draws about 7A of 12VDC. Since I have 55w low beams, 100w high beams, and 55w driving beams, that should be ~21A of current. Therefore, I use two 15A fuses. It's always safer to try a smaller value first. 30. Find a fire extinguisher. 31. Check your connections. 32. Make certain that your work area is well ventilated. 33. Connect the red wire with the fuse holders to the positive cable that *used* to be attached to the battery. 34. Reconnect the positive cable to the positive battery terminal. 35. Hope that nothing goes pop or smokes or makes a fire. You may want to test your newfound candlepower now. Go ahead! You may notice that your low beam headlights come on when the light switch is in the parking light setting even if the engine is off. If you experience this follow these instructions: > Pop out your headlight switch (I fould this to be easiest by > removing the gauge baffle and popping it out from the rear). You'll > notice a white wire with a black stripe in position "56." You'll > have to separate the switch from the wiring plug to see the pin > designations. Remove this wire, and plug it into the hole > corresponding to position "NSL." This has corrected all the > problems I've heard about, assuming all else is fine. That info was provided to me by dtipton@allwise.lucent.com. 36. Reinstall the mounting screws on your new headlights. 37. *Correctly* aim the new headlights. 38. ENJOY! Best regards, Don Ingram 93 SLC - Flash Red/Black Leather - Spax S&S, cup holder, Momo Shadow shift knob, homebrew P-Flo, polished tailpipe, smoked side blinkers, custom center armrest, euro lights, Schroth Rallye 4 harnesses, and too much stereo! :) From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Oct 7 12:19 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA20587; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:19:27 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from greta.teleport.com (greta.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IAD0CA8YMO002KCC@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 12:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26552; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 12:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 07 Oct 1996 12:12:29 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id MAA26078 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 12:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from edsug.com (mailer.ug.eds.com [134.244.3.234]) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26062 for ; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 12:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyhpr012.ug.eds.com (cyhpr012.ug.eds.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IAD09FJYF400440F@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cyhpr012.ug.eds.com (8.7.1/16.2) id PAA08985; Mon, 07 Oct 1996 15:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 12:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: Turn signal protection. Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Cc: a4autox@aol.com Reply-To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: <01IAD09FOIDU00440F@UG.EDS.COM> X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.2] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Has anyone tried using Griot's (via 3M?) headlight protective shield on their > C's turn signals (orange or clear)? Griot's states that it's not for use on > "polycarbonate" lenses but isn't sure if the Hella's plastic falls under > this category. VW USA was clueless as was my dealer. I even E-mailed Hella. > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > James 1990 G60 I just installed StonGard on most of our Corrados headlights. StonGard (they have a web site, see my car page) is the same film that Griot's Garage sells, except it's already precut. I estimated the area and the price came out to be roughly the same, so I figured I'd go with StonGard and have them do the cutting. I called their main office in Bellevue, and they directed me to the local LA/OC distributer (Curt: a4autox@aol.com). I also had a pleasant chat with Curt as he's also an auto-x enthousiast, has an A4 Quatro (cool car, btw) but selling it in favor of a damaged biturbo 911. Lucky guy. In any case, he assured me that there was no problem with installing it on the C's turn signal lights. He also had the product on his A4, which was also made of some kind of "plastic". I just installed the StonGard's last night, and it does require quite some work to get (most) of the little bubbles out. I am not sure I did the greatest job (couple tiny bubble remaining at the edges). The product is surprisingly thick, around 3-4 mm, and so I can see now why this stuff will protect against a BB-gun pellet. The stuff they use as "invisible" bras is OTOH only a fraction of a mm. Also be aware that they have holes in the film on the location of the DOT nipples for the headlights. The main reason why I installed this stuff is because my fog & turnsignal lights are all new (because of an accident that was recently repaired), and wanted to keep the lights looking good. Judging from the amount of stone chips I have on the old/other lights, these lights are subject to a lot of impacts. Supposedly, you can pull the film right off if you are tired of it, and I figure ~32$ for a set is cheaper than any single unit. Note that I also called 3M, and they were initially clueless to what I was referring to. Later they got back to me with another # to call, but that person never called me back. -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@edsug.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | http://alicudi.usc.edu:80/~jan/ \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | Autoracing, mountain climbing and running (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | of the bulls are sports, the rest are games From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Tue Nov 26 07:13 PST 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03655; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:13:45 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01ICAKBN3WLC00KNY9@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05831; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:09:09 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) id HAA05782 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05758 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from gold.interlog.com (root@gold.interlog.com [198.53.145.2]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.7.6) with ESMTP id KAA20829 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from interlog.interlog.com (davidtam.interlog.com [199.212.156.51]) by gold.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA10068 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:08:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:07:54 -0500 From: David Tam Subject: ** Comments on Eurolights ** Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: Corrado Reply-To: David Tam Message-Id: <329B07CA.1457@interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO *** EUROLIGHTS COMMENTS *** The Eurolights are a great improvement to the original stock lights, especially on the G60 models. There is a slight difference between the G60 and the later VR6 models, VR6s have a bit brighter lumination. Three weeks ago my G60 was stolen with the Eurolights. I am driving a rental Neon as a rental right now. Believe it or not the headlights on the Neon are as good as the expensive Eurolights on the Corrado. > I think that means that you have ONE composite light like you > have now (two fillament bulb) and one ADDITIONAL bulb for the > high beams like you have with the Euro lights. > That means you have 4 lights on at high rather than 2 in the US > versions. > The Eurolights comes with three sets of bulbs. The main headlights containing high and low beams are H4 lights at 55/60 W. Replacing stock parking lights, there is a small 5W city lights just below the main bulb. The location for the stock parking lights is replaced with a set of driving lights at 55W using a H3 bulb. This driving lights is turned together with you high beam. So you light up the entire street block ( I am not kidding). What I did was disabled the high beam and only have the driving lights turned on. Regards. Davidtam@interlog.com From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Wed Dec 4 22:57 PST 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04731; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 22:57:19 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from sandra.teleport.com (sandra.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01ICMNKZP3A800KAHI@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Wed, 04 Dec 1996 22:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA10417; Wed, 04 Dec 1996 22:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 04 Dec 1996 22:52:28 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) id WAA10386 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 04 Dec 1996 22:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from upsmot01.msn.com (upsmot01.msn.com [204.95.110.78]) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA10378 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 1996 22:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from upmajb02.msn.com (upmajb02.msn.com [204.95.110.74]) by upsmot01.msn.com (8.6.8.1/Configuration 4) with SMTP id WAA22571 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 1996 22:51:54 -0800 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 06:53:17 +0000 (UT) From: Colin Barfoot Subject: Lighting (long forwarded thread) Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Colin Barfoot Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO A very informative exchange on the Qlist that I thought you might all be interested in! Regards, Colin From: PDQSHIP@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:59:24 -0500 Subject: Night Flaming In a message dated 96-12-02 08:37:23 EST, you write: << We positioned John Coughtrie's car ("Annie", A223 ANH) alongside mine (F600 JVJ) - John had the stock 65/55 watt mains, and I had 170/100s. Both cars were set on main beam and the results were photographed from behind as they shone onto a wooden rail fence up at the Nottingham UK quattro Owners Club meeting. >> The bightness test really isn't going to give you much.... Try this one instead, Phil... Have a sign put on that fence and see who can read it in more conditions, make it just big enough to make out the letters... Then change the compound of the board from a flat finish to a glossy one.... Do this in different weather conditions, I would bet bigger ain't better... Just about every prorally driver runs no more than 100w on the HI beam for a bunch of reasons, the biggest being reflectance of light back at the driver.... A euro low beam with a 55w bulb is what you are supposed to use, above that, you might as well get yourself a driving light, it will be more effective... The H4 euro and z-beam pattern are designed to be effective as a low beam and a fog in the same lens, something well accomplished with 55w bulbs (as comes stock with EVERY true halogen fog lite h1/h2/h3)... What happens when you add lumins to the low beam is that the lite is brighter, but so is the reflectance of humidity, kinda like running a hibeam in a snow storm, tho now humidity does the same thing.... On a clear nite with low humidity a 100w+ low beam euro lite will be effective, but the cost will be the first time you drive with those lites on in the fog, or even a humid nite, you have decreased driver visibility, dangerously so, esp if you have no fog lites, or can't shut the lows off with fogs on.... As you increase wattage sign reflectance increases too, so does the sensitivity to vibration... A hi wattage bulb will reflect signs to the point where you are flash blinded here in the states, btdt, to say nothing of the guy coming at you who is blinded by your cool hiwatts.... Hi wattage also exponentially increases vibration effect, actually increasing eye fatigue, in a big way.... And audis aren't known for their non vibrating headlite assblies, I assure you... Wattage has little effect on true visibility, the lens, the reflector, and proper aiming does.... In fact, the Rallye 2000 comes stock with 55w h1 bulb, and has been the standard in the rallye field for almost 20 years now, 100w are put in them for the "dry" rallyes, but rarely, the gains are minimal compared to just getting the right lens (pencil beam).. Some research on what is happeining in the ProRally world should translate to our street world, the object is to get the best light available for all conditions, without having to hang 8 lites on the bumper... PR are run at nite, in ANY and ALL weather, ck what they are running... It isn't 100+w bulbs, not even in the high beams, 100 is the max as a rule.... To convince yourself that a higher watt bulb is giving you more visibility in most conditions is just plain wrong, in fact you compromised the performance in more conditions than you've gained in one..... A 9004 to 9007 swap is different, there is some gain in performance, but only cost effective compared to the euro lite setup... The cats meow is the euro lite... If you wanted to maximize a euro lite, put 55w in the low, 65 in the outer high, and a 100w in the inner high with a switch for it.... That way, in dry conditions you have the advantage of the 100w bulb, but in more reflectance conditions you can shut down the inners and just run the H4 hibeam.... For fogs, if you have euros headlites, the fogs are redundant..... So swap out the clear lenses and put in the amber, now you are covering the snow/dust visibility that the clears don't.... Plus, amber tends to reduce eye fatigue on extended hibeam use, the theory being the whiter the lite depth perception becomes harder to distinguish.... This is not an unbiased opinion, have done lite configurations that required 150amp alternators, bttt, and have lots of extra lenses and bulbs and relfletors and hella/cibie stock in my garage to prove it.... But theory on proper liting has been around for a long time, and legislative laws have little to do with execution... For the US folks, get the eurolites, or at least a good set of aux lows.... For the euro equipped, don't try to make the lites something that it wasn't designed for.... Properly aim them, put some thought into some aux liting (mine is all on a removable lite bar for city driving), talk to a Rallye driver before you go for lumins, that just isn't the object of the lite game.... Gotta play? Forget the bulbs.... Put amber in the fogs, spend some money and time designing in-cockpit lite control for "tuning" lite-on properties, get some aux lites that do what you are trying to do, bulb swapping might be fun, but does little in reality... Hella and Cibie put out some really informative charts and beam patterns in there application literature, reading it can give you great information... Given enough more is better, I fully expect to see 200w bulbs soon..... But as much good as wattage it really does, I will continue to invest my stock in alternator manufacturers... MMV Scott From: Joe Yakubik <75363.2524@compuserve.com> Date: 02 Dec 96 15:07:01 EST Subject: Re: Night Flaming Scott (PDQSHIP) put out a long and informative post on lights, what he recommends and doesn't. Most of what he said makes sense, but there are a few "apples to oranges"... Agreement w/ Scott, recommended reading: The Hella catalog on voltage vs bulb rating vs light output. Your average road condition in Europe is somewhat different than that in the US. Scott recommended a test with a reflective surface. This would be useful, except that the roads, turns, etc are usually better marked in the US. I have actually had people come up to me and say "They really mark the curves on US roads well." In the UK the turns are often marked by where there's fresh growth in the hedgerows from the last guy to miss the turn. The Germans mark sharp curves, but everything else is done by the computer game "Night Driver" method -- white posts with reflectors. All well and good until the first winter storm. Then they become gray posts with covered reflectors. There are actually trucks that could have been designed by Dr. Seuss that drive along and wash these. I need to see gray stubs at night to follow the road. The 55w euro lights, correctly aimed by the Hella machine and with clean lenses are barely adequate for the task. Fogs redundant with euro lights? I don't think so. I've got both and use them separately. Then again I live in a low-ish spot surrounded by rivers. We get FOG! Wholeheartedly agree with the amber lights for snow, thick fog, etc. 100w max for rally driving. Sure, I'll buy that; but I know next to nothing about the speeds reached and the terrain covered. Remembering way, way back to driver's ed. I thought the point was to not "outdrive" your headlights. The definition back then was to be able to see, react and stop if necessary. At the speeds I drive on unlit Autobahn at night I exceed this by a far margin. I don't think 100+w bulbs would help much. I need lights for the purpose: pencil beams, with a high power bulb (wattage left blank) aka "driving lights". On some of the roads Phil drives on (B6047 and environs, BTDT) you run out of road before you run out of headlight. In his shoes, if I can achieve this while keeping a lower profile by not having the rally-look front, I'll do it. My car has been vandalized before -- why, who knows? I'll do what it takes to minimize that likelihood. In due respect though, Phil's laser cannon front end is not exactly low profile either.... I'll stay out of the vibration/Nystagmus argument. You want to see at night? That's easy, whole lotta lights. You want good lights? That's a little harder. You have to pay to play. You want good lights that assume some semblance of legality AND work with Audi wiring? That's the tuffy. It takes thought, money and a reasonably creative electrician to wire them up. Remember, most european countries inspect the cars every so often -- "trick" switches must be exactly that. The TUV (sorry, no umlaut) is not exactly forgiving. Joe Yakubik '91 200qw w/euros, amber fogs and a few extra relays... (and radio From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 22:01:09 GMT Subject: Night Flaming In message <961202200700_75363.2524_EHI152-1@CompuServe.COM> Joe Yakubik writes: > Agreement w/ Scott, recommended reading: The Hella catalog on voltage vs > bulb rating vs light output. Remember that Hella are trying to sell you add-on lights - their agenda is set against describing good solutions using standard reflectors. > In the UK the turns are often marked by where there's fresh growth > in the hedgerows from the last guy to miss the turn. LOL. Yes, that's something I _do_ look out for. There are clues. We have catseyes in Northamptonshire and Leicestershire. > There are actually trucks that could have been designed by Dr. Seuss > that drive along and wash these. I don't know Dr Seuss - but I do know the trucks. They're so short and high they're almost cubes. > The 55w euro lights, correctly aimed by the Hella machine and with > clean lenses are barely adequate for the task. I disagree, BTW, with the Hella machine. I think it sets the right low too high. > On some of the roads Phil drives on (B6047 and environs, BTDT) you run > out of road before you run out of headlight. Roads quattros were built for. Roads utterly unsuitable for cupholders. "If there ain't no lateral gee, you're stationary." > Remember, most european countries inspect the cars every so often -- > "trick" switches must be exactly that. The TUV (sorry, no umlaut) is > not exactly forgiving. ROF,L. I don't have _that_ problem, thank God. My MOT test is done by the same people that fitted the wiring harness. - -- Phil Payne phil@sievers.com Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club ------------------------------Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:24:33 -0800 Subject: RE: aiming euro lights? I have included Joe Yakubik's instructions on doing it (from 6/6/96): *********************************** The Bentley say to use something called a "universal adaptor" which I have never seen anyone use. It actually lines up on the three aiming dots. I have seen the big Hella machines, but I only use them for very fine adjustment (ie after I've already done it the old fashioned way: spots on the wall. Some gas stations used to have marks pre-painted that made this easier, but I haven't seen them in a while. Tools required: a long Philips screwdriver, a piece of chalk, electricians tape (if you have euro lights you don't need the screwdriver) Fill the tank, half or above is okay Check tire pressure Park on a flat, level surface about 25 feet away from a wall (Kmart type stores work well - big walls, flat lots) Rock car a few times to level suspension (Here's the hard part - chalk is easy to mark with, dark tape easy to see and remove) Make a vertical line on the wall at the center of the vehicle (I recommend looking THROUGH the back window to the front and picking a spot -- an assistant helps) Mark horizontal lines, 6" or so long, on the wall the same height as the horizontal center of the headlights. Mark vertical lines along the vertical centers, like above. You should now have two little "plus signs" on the wall at the centers of your headlights. Make two additional lines three inches lower than the horizontal centerline. The height aiming point for low beams is the lower line. The left/right aiming point is the centerline -- if you have the high angled cutoff (euro pattern) this should start at the lower-line intersection. Use the two aiming -- NOT MOUNTING -- screws to move them here. euro lights have knobs -- as depicted in the owners manual. i / . i / . i / . ----------------i--/--------.------- Horizontal centerline .......3...... .i/.................. 3 inches lower . i . . i . / indicates angled cutoff . i . High beams on one piece "aero" headlights will be simulataneously aimed, otherwise they should be pointed at the centerline. They almost always look too low on the wall, but that's where they're supposed to be. Joe Yakubik From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 22:50:08 GMT Subject: Night Flaming In message <961202125922_1587622147@emout06.mail.aol.com PDQSHIP@aol.com writes: > Just about every prorally driver runs no more than 100w on the HI > beam for a bunch of reasons, the biggest being reflectance of > light back at the driver.... I'm told by the expert preparers of such cars here that they run 130/100 or 130/80 mains. > A euro low beam with a 55w bulb is what you are supposed to use, > above that, you might as well get yourself a driving light, it > will be more effective... It's a compromise, one of the components being that the "average" user might well drive around with mis-adjusted lights and another being bulb life. Can you imagine "Joe Public" complaining that his "fine German automobile" blows a headlight bulb every six weeks? > The H4 euro and z-beam pattern are designed to be effective as a > low beam and a fog in the same lens, something well accomplished > with 55w bulbs (as comes stock with EVERY true halogen fog lite > h1/h2/h3)... True. > What happens when you add lumins to the low beam is that the lite > is brighter, but so is the reflectance of humidity, kinda like > running a hibeam in a snow storm, tho now humidity does the same > thing.... On a clear nite with low humidity a 100w+ low beam > euro lite will be effective, but the cost will be the first time > you drive with those lites on in the fog, or even a humid nite, > you have decreased driver visibility, dangerously so, esp if you > have no fog lites, or can't shut the lows off with fogs on.... I have seen no trace of this on a humid night, but it's certainly debatable on a foggy one. As UK law used to _require_ that lows be switched off when fogs are on (and there's little point in fogs otherwise) I _can_ switch off the lows in fog. So far, my choice when the fog has been that bad (as it was here about two weeks ago) has been simply not to drive. > As you increase wattage sign reflectance increases too, ... Yup. _Definitely_ an issue when approaching the so-called "traffic calmed" villages in the UK, where oversized speed limit and hazard signs have been erected. The high beams are blinding, but the lows are OK. > so does the sensitivity to vibration... A hi wattage bulb > will reflect signs to the point where you are flash blinded here > in the states, btdt, to say nothing of the guy coming at you who > is blinded by your cool hiwatts.... Hi wattage also > exponentially increases vibration effect, actually increasing eye > fatigue, in a big way.... UK drivers are not slow to complain if they feel your lights are too bright - they blind you right back. I have them adjusted lower than stock - as you comment, they're designed for fog use as well and the top of beam cutoff is _very_ sharp. > And audis aren't known for their non vibrating headlite assblies, I assure > you... There's a damn sight less vibration in the body-mounted headlight assemblies than there is in any lights mounted on a beam. I drove for ten years in Germany - oncoming Porsches are characteristically easy to spot from headlight vibration, but not Audis. > Wattage has little effect on true visibility, the lens, the > reflector, and proper aiming does.... The resolution of the human eye is directly proportional to the illumination of the target. > In fact, the Rallye 2000 comes stock with 55w h1 bulb, and has > been the standard in the rallye field for almost 20 years now, > 100w are put in them for the "dry" rallyes, but rarely, the gains > are minimal compared to just getting the right lens (pencil > beam).. Yes, but rally cars typically carry six or eight lights, aimed to give wide coverage. On low, I have just two reflectors using the wide, flat-topped Euro beam pattern. Pencil beams would be useless. > Some research on what is happeining in the ProRally world should > translate to our street world, the object is to get the best > light available for all conditions, without having to hang 8 > lites on the bumper... Resilience is a big argument in rallying. One failed bulb can take out half my light - but I can afford the time to stop and fix it. A rally driver can't - 8 x 55 is _much_ better for him than 2 x 100. He can lose three bulbs without having to stop. > PR are run at nite, in ANY and ALL weather, ck what they are > running... There's no one coming the other way on a rally ... > If you wanted to maximize a euro lite, put 55w in the low, 65 in > the outer high, and a 100w in the inner high with a switch for > it.... That way, in dry conditions you have the advantage of the > 100w bulb, but in more reflectance conditions you can shut down > the inners and just run the H4 hibeam.... Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I ran like that for two years and would _NEVER_ go back to it. > For the US folks, get the eurolites, or at least a good set of > aux lows.... For the euro equipped, don't try to make the lites > something that it wasn't designed for.... I'll concur with the first. I'll point out that the usual setup of Euro lights is a compromise. I do _zero_ city driving and very little motorway driving at night - my driving is almost exclusively on relatively remote main roads out in the country. > Properly aim them, put some thought into some aux liting (mine is > all on a removable lite bar for city driving), talk to a Rallye > driver before you go for lumins, that just isn't the object of > the lite game... I'll also concur with the aiming - I overhauled both my headlight assemblies at the weekend, and just ordered new adjusters from The Parts Department. Some of the adjusters were siezed and the screwdriver recesses were destroyed. P/n 855 941 141A is the Cibie adjuster screw and p/n 855 941 135 is the little clip for the back. I'll also comment on _cleaning_ them, which is something I do before every trip. > Gotta play? Forget the bulbs.... Put amber in the fogs, Amber? Even monochromatic sources are now heavily discredited, much less absorption filters. This is the old canard about "night driving glasses", which are now thankfully _banned_ in the UK. It's also illegal to drive with non-white headlights here. > ... spend some money and time designing in-cockpit lite control > for "tuning" lite-on properties, It's illegal to use driving lights without low beams here. Some configurations will get you pulled over instantly. There are also restrictions on what you switch with what, and requirements for warning lamps visible to the driver, etc. > .. get some aux lites that do what you are trying to do, bulb > swapping might be fun, but does little in reality... One of the major objectives is not to modify the exterior of the car. And _you_ might think it "does little in reality" but you don't sit in the driving seat of my car on long cross-country excursions. Believe me, they make one _hell_ of a difference. - -- Phil Payne (phil@sievers.com, despite what the bounces say. If I don't reply, your message is probably still stuck on a Demon punt.) Phone: +44 385302803 Fax: +44 1536723021 CIS: 100012,1660 From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Thu Dec 5 12:27 PST 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA15290; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:27:50 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from kim.teleport.com (kim.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01ICNFVXFQZK00LWZI@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Thu, 05 Dec 1996 12:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27995; Thu, 05 Dec 1996 10:43:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by kim.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 05 Dec 1996 10:43:38 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) id KAA27939 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 05 Dec 1996 10:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-e2b.gnn.com (mail-e2b.gnn.com [204.148.102.170]) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27929 for ; Thu, 05 Dec 1996 10:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from 38-83.client.gnn.com. (38-83.client.gnn.com [205.188.38.83]) by mail-e2b.gnn.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/GNN-1.0.7) with SMTP id NAA31429 for ; Thu, 05 Dec 1996 13:43:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 13:43:20 +0000 From: jolgarcia@gnn.com (Jonas Garcia) Subject: 100/140 watt h4 bulbs Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l-digest@teleport.com Reply-To: jolgarcia@gnn.com (Jonas Garcia) Message-Id: <199612051843.NAA31429@mail-e2b.gnn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Hey the string on high watt bulbs amazes me. Just do it if you have h4 euro lights. Im running 100/140 h4 and 100 watt h3 on my C, I'm also using these big 70 amp bosch relays(hard to find ones) and 10 guage wiring to my headlamps. Oooh I love the daylight it produces and I'll never lose the high beam wars. Sure its bright as hell but You'll appreciate the improved illumination. Just be kind and aim them down a bit. I still havent gotten much response on faulty cam position sensors for my 93 vr6 C. distributorless ignition. It could be a problem unless I find more people getting the same as me. Also faulty coil-packs too. They cost alot and I ran as a 5 cylinder. This caused much fuel to enter the exhaust cracking my manifold and melting the cat... Oh well I now have a genie header and hi flow cat... Let me know if anyone else experienced this. LATER MUCH JONAS GREEN CORRADO YELLOW RACING STRIPES AND MANY MODS NEW JERSEY d:o)> ----------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Tinted Auto Bulbs by Bosch Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:06:18 -0000 From: "Duncan Cameron" Hi Jan, I thought I would Email to tell you about me experiences with some new tinted bulbs I bought a few months ago. The ones I chose where sold as (from the blurb from the front of the packet): 'Manufactured for Bosch Premium Auto Bulb 472 12v 50/55w H4 Four Season Halogen headlamp bulb. Specially designed for better light penetration in adverse weather conditions." In the packet the bulbs seemed to have a blue/ yellow tint that seemed change colour as you changed as you looked at it. I bought them from EuroParts a great motor spares place that deals only with Audi/VW, Mercedes, Saab and Volvo car parts. Mainly they do stock parts at way less than dealer prices, but they also have some tuning parts also. They cost £14.00 for the set of two, not much more than a set of good replacement standard halogen lights in the UK.. Anyway the bulbs when in my Audi 80, the original light were poor compared with say my girlfriends Orion (Escort saloon). With the new bulbs in the overall light from in the car did not appear any brighter at the centre but at the edges it seemed more filled in. The light seemed less harsh and glare than before. The colour from the driver seat was a gentle yellow tint, not as yellow as French light bulbs but more yellow than standard halogen lights. From outside the car the light from the edges looked a yellow white but if you looked directly on there was a definite blue tinge to the lights. The acid test, the British weather. Well they seemed much better in the rain and fog, not blinding you with the reflection of your own headlights. The most noticeable time was a few weeks ago when I was driving home in the snow down a country lane. The driver in front was doing about 15 MPH as he was being blinded by the reflection of his own headlights! I overtook him and found I could go to main beam whilst still being able to see the road ahead. Duncan mailto:Duncan.Cameron@bigfoot.com