Activating US Corrado Rear Fog Lights ===================================== By Jan Vandenbrande DRAFT Copyright (C) 1995 The European version of the Corrados have the same type of bright rear fog lights you occasionally see the newer Volvos and M-B blinding people behind them with. This rear fog light or lights are to be used under adverse weather conditions such as fog, heavy snow or rain, and provides a significant protection against rear end crashes. Most US versions of the Corrados (G60 & SLC) share the same tail light assemblies and fog light switches with their European counterparts. The only problem is that they are not hooked up. This procedure explains how to upgrade your car: Is your car eligible? Check list: ----------- 1) Does your fog light switch have 2 "ON" position, the second one seemingly not doing anything? If yes, good. If not, you can buy the buy the right switch, but you'll have to do some more rewiring that I will not cover here. 2) The rear fog lights are in the same assembly as the rear marker lights (the ones that come on when you have the lights on) mounted on the hatch (NOT on the body with the brake lights). Do you see a second reflector w/o bulb next to the tail light marker lights. It also has a red lens. 3) Good so far? Now open up the black panel that covers the hatch lights and wing control. The panel is held by "bayonet" screws that require a 1/4-1/2 turn with a Phillips #2 screw driver to loosen. Carefully pull the plastic cover away. It's rather delicate. Look at the light socket assembly for the tail light markers after you remove one (push in the snaps and pull). It should have one empty slot where the rear fog light should go. The rear fog light lens is covered with a serated round blank. It looks a bit like a "*". If you find all of these, you can upgrade you car. This procedure is technically not difficult, but requires some patience, taking apart several interior panels, seats and carpet. Unless you are very dedicated, I'd combine this procedure with another upgrade opportunity. I did my first upgrade in my 90 G60 when I installed my alarm system and Dynamat sound deadening material: if you take half the car appart, you may as well do everything at once. Next I also upgraded our 92 SLC. In the above cars, both had the necessary equipment on both ends (switch and tail light assemblies) but did not have the wires to go in between them. Bummer! TOOLS: ====== Wire crimping tool Several female spade connectors (std size) 10 meters 14 or 16 guage multi strand wire (I went with the thicker wire) Electric Tape A bag of small (black) tie wraps Soldering Iron (optional) or a Scotch Lock Stanley knife Regular tools (screwdrivers, nut-socket set) PROCEDURE ========= 1) Take the rear platic cover of the rear deck (1/4 turn on the screws) 2) Punch or cut the "*" blanks from the rear fog light reflectors (I did both sides, though some prefere to have only the left light installed like in Europe). 3) Install wire from right to left light fog light after you figure out which of the connectors of the tail light assembly to use. 4) Pull wire from the left upper rubber accordion thingy on top of the hatch through the left side of the hatch. I just used a stiff 14 awg wire to push it through. It takes a lot of patience, greasing it up a bit, etc, but eventually it will come through. If you have an electrician wire puller, that may help. You may be luckier from starting at the bottom, but I always succeeded starting from the top. Once the wire is through, hook it up to the rear fog lights, install the lights and test to see whether it works (you do not want to find out you have a brake in the cable once you are done). The lamps are just standard single filament 20 Watt bayonet mount lamps used for back up lights. It's the special reflector that makes the seem so bright. You can also buy special halogen lamps if you want to have an even brighter effect. Congratulations, the first trickiest part is over. 5) Detatch the left speaker carier, all platic molding and covers from the rear side of the car. Just makes sure you find all screws, and things should just come off. Some of the molding needs to be carefully pulled of because it's snapped on. Go slowly step by step, and it's ok to use a blunt instrument to help things to unsnap. 6) Carefully pull on the plastic strip that holds the rear of the headliner, and pass the wire sticking out from the accordion through the hole and follow the stock wiring harness. Note: Use plenty of tie wraps to keep the wire from ratteling. You do not have to loosen the rear headliner much because you'll have just enough space to get to wire. Also make sure you have plenty of wire at this point because you'll be doing a bunch of loop-de-loops before you are up front. 10 meters may seem much, but you'll be surprised how much you really use. 7) Follow the existing wiring harness as much as you can with your cable to the front of the car. The wire will go from the roof down to the left hand side of the car towards the rear trunk light, then possibly disappear behind some sheet metal panelling, then reappearing, before following the lower edge of the trunk. In the trunk, leave an extra loop or two of wire in case you ever goof up. The wire will continue past the rear left seat. The rear seat can be removed by pushing the front of the seat in and then pulling up. The wire will then follow the left bottom edge of the car, past the front seat towards the fuse box. 8) Remove the plastic cover above the driver's foot well, next to the fuze box and also the panelling that's below the hood release. Pull the wire all the way to the fuse box, securing it every couple of feet with tie wraps. 9) Now that you are at the fuse box, consult Bentley on what wire you need to attach yours to. The wire you need goes into the fuze box somewhere (Connector K, Wire 10 if I remember correctly (?)). Once you find it, just strip a bit of insulation with a sharp knife from that wire and soldered your new wire to it and insulate with tape. You could use a Scotch Lock, but I have not had much luck with them. You could also figure out in what location to insert the wire in the fuse box (there is indeed an official orifice for it), but you'll be happy if you just find the damn wire you need. Naturally, you need to test whether the wire you find is the right one before soldering. I usually just stick a pin in the wire and test it with a VOM by toggeling the switch. It's not as bad as it sounds, the worst parts are the fishing expedition and finding your way through the rats nest of wires in the fuze box. Expect two hours or more of work. One of the optional enhancements is to hook the rear fog lights through a diode to the brake lights. Having been rear ended 3 times in the last couple of years, it is something I am considering. The diode is needed so that your brake lights won't come on when you have your rear fog lights on (so you need to orient the diode's arrow in the right direction in the wiring). However, I have not tested this yet, and if you are interested check to see whether your front fog lights won't come on if you use your brakes. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright Notice (c) -- 1995: All Rights Reserved The information contained here is copyrighted by the author. The right to reproduce this is hereby given, provided it is copied intact, with the copyright notice inclusive and original author identified. However, the author explicitly prohibit selling this document, any of its parts, or any document which contains parts of this document. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon May 29 00:39 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA27039; Mon, 29 May 1995 00:39:46 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR217BBGTC002KC6@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 29 May 1995 00:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id AAA12587 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 00:21:42 -0700 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA12582 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 00:21:39 -0700 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA127301905; Mon, 29 May 1995 03:18:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 03:18:25 -0400 From: HAPPIG@aol.com Subject: Rear Fog light with Brake lights Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <950529031824_15615033@aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I've already wired both my fog lights and teh brake lights. On the 93 VR6s, the place where the wire goes is P 6 in the fuse box.. It's a grey and blue (if I'm not miustaken) wire. Just strip some insulating and attach the wire going to the rear fog lights. Well, here's how I did my brake lights along with my fog lights. ============================================================================== ===================== WIRING FOR REAR BRAKE LIGHTS (Assuming you already did Jan's procedures for the fog lights): 1) Have the wires already wired to the rear fog light housing. 2) Get 2 diodes with the highest value you can find. (I got 3Amp/10000Volts) The way the diodes work is the stripe closest to the edge of the diode is the way the arrow points; like this: Diode |------------!--| | >>>>> ! | _________| >>>>> ! |___________ | >>>>> ! | |------------!--| (Left lead) (Right Lead) Current flows from left to right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The arrow shows the direction of the current flow (from left to right). The current can't go from right to left, unless the value of the diode is loo low. 3) Have the wire go next to the brake light housing in the trunk and nclip the bulb plate of teh brake housing 4) There are 5 wires going into 4 connections. The brown is he ground. The one on the other side of the ground is for the signal. The single red wire is for when you turn on your lights, which makes the bulb glow. The one with the 2 wires going into the same connection is for the brake lights. Find the 2 wires and spread some of the insulating to expose the bare wire, but DO NOT cut the wires because they are so short and hard to put back together. 5) Connect some of your wire to both wires and seal them good. 6) Connect (soldering is best) the other end of the wire to one of the diodes. From teh diagram, the wire should be attached on to left lead of the diode. The current should go from teh brake lights into the diode and out the other way. 7) Connect the other side of the diode to the wire coming from the fog light housings. (ALWAYS ATTACH WIRES WITH ALGATOR CLIPS AND TEST BEFORE SOLDERING. It will be much easier) 8) WIth the other diode, connect the right lead (according to the diagram) to the right lead of the other diode. In other words, you will have the both right leads of each diode attached to the wire leading to the fog light housing. 9) On the second diode, connect the wire coming from the fuse box to the left lead. FUSE BOX________________ DIODE 2 |_____>>>__ | |_____ TO FOG LIGHT HOUSING |_____>>>__| BRAKE LIGHT HOUSING______| DIODE 1 (2 wires) >>> are the diodes 10) After all work is done, make sure you cover everything with electrical tape to reduce chances of shroting the whole car. ============================================================================== ======================= This works just fine for me. P.S. When I pres steh brakes with teh fog lights on, it doesn't get any brighter. Any other questions regarding this? Happig Happig@aol.com From cjh@garage.att.com Mon Jun 5 08:00 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23866; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 08:00:56 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from gw2.att.com (gw1.att.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRC8NB798W00487P@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 05 Jun 1995 07:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from garage.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA02832; Mon, 5 Jun 95 10:58:32 EDT Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 10:44:00 -0400 From: cjh@garage.att.com (c.hapeman) Subject: rear fog light question To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <9506051458.AA02832@ig1.att.att.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Original-From: garage!cjh (c.hapeman) Status: RO jan, how is your wife feeling? hope all is well... anyhow i have a question regarding the wiring of the rear fog lights into my '90 g60. i strung the wire from the taillight assembly in the hatch to the fuse box with little problem. now i'm trying to find the wire to tap into the fuse box. looked at my bentley manual (editiorial closing 10/93, supplement 7/94) in the wiring diagram section page 47 - headlight switch. i think the title of the page is wrong, i think they got the title of page 47 and page 48 backwards. anyhow, it is the wiring diagram showing the fog light relay, fog light switch and back up lights. it shows the following: +--- (to fog light right/left) | ( a2/8 ) (fuse) | | | +--- (to k10) | | | p8 p9 p4 p1 p6 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +-----------------------------------------+ | | +----| fog light bulb --\ / / | | fog light switch | | +-- -/---/- | | | +-------| fog light indicator--/ / / ----+ | | +-----------------------------------------+ | | | +----------------+ i read this as the first fog light switch position causes the front left and right fog lights to receive power through the path of fuse/p4/switch/p6/a2 and 8. the second switch position will be fuse/p4/switch/p6/k10. in the wiring diagram k10 terminates in the fuse/relay panel. i checked your notes and you indicated, with a ? mark, that the wire need to tap into the fuse box was connector K wire 10. took the fuse box down and found no wire in connector K wire 10, it was empty. this seems to be consistent with the wiring diagram above but not with your notes which lead me to believe i would find a wire in K10. i'm almost positive i had the correct connector. BTW, i keep my car very clean, inside and out. i removed the rear seat to run the wire and found huge amounts of jelly beans, cheerios, animal crackers, etc. underneath. boy was i surprised. just a little information for the expectant father. any help would be appreciated, chris hapeman cjh@garage.att.com From cjh@garage.att.com Mon Jun 5 09:46 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25513; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:46:01 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from research.att.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRCCBLGDU8004NBL@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 05 Jun 1995 09:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by research.att.com; Mon Jun 5 12:35 EDT 1995 Received: from garage.UUCP by emsr1.emsr.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.1 SunOS) id AA06273; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:37:44 EDT Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 12:35:00 -0400 From: cjh@garage.att.com (Christopher J Hapeman +1 908 224 3226) Subject: Re: rear fog light question To: UG.EDS.COM!jan@research.att.com Message-Id: <9506051637.AA06273@emsr1.emsr.att.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Original-From: garage!cjh (Christopher J Hapeman +1 908 224 3226) Original-To: emsr1!research!UG.EDS.COM!jan Status: RO > one is for the wire to the switch and one is for the non-existent wire > to the rear. > At first I tried to add it to the proper spot w/o luck ok, this makes sense. k10 is where the non-existent wire to the rear should be that is why i found it empty. k10 is the proper spot where you tried to plug into w/o luck. > then I found the wire from the switch. so, it sounds like i should be tapping into the wire from the switch itself, which would be p6 or p1. let me try that. thanks in advance, chris From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Dec 6 12:51 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA15526; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:51:56 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HYHKB9HGCG00546O@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 06 Dec 1995 12:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA21752 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:41:41 -0800 Received: from tide10.microsoft.com (firewall-user@tide10.microsoft.com [131.107.3.20]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA21682 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:41:29 -0800 Received: by tide10.microsoft.com; id LAA04031; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:48:19 -0800 Received: from unknown(157.54.17.74) by tide10.microsoft.com via smap (g3.0.1) id sma028825; Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:10:04 -0800 Received: from xnet2 (xnet2.microsoft.com [157.54.17.205]) by imail2.microsoft.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA27392 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:05:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 10:41:11 TZ From: Scott McAlear (RhoTech) Subject: Re: Rear Fog Lights -- How to obtain the required switch? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199512061905.LAA27392@imail2.microsoft.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Received: from red-55-msg by xnet2 with receive; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:03:07 -0800 X-Msmail-Message-Id: F55F124D X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: F55F124D X-Msxmtid: red-55-msg951206184027MTP[01.51.00]000000c9-17365 Precedence: bulk Status: RO Message-ID: red-55-msg951206184027MTP[01.51.00]000000c9-17365 | From: | To: | Subject: Re: Rear Fog Lights -- How to obtain the required switch? | Date: Tuesday, December 05, 1995 7:04PM | | In a message dated 95-12-05 10:11:09 EST, you write: | | >Subj: Rear Fog Lights -- How to obtain the required switch? | >Date: 95-12-05 10:11:09 EST | >From: barker@okeefe.amd.com (Phillip Barker) | >Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com | >Reply-to: corrado-l@teleport.com | >To: corrado-l@teleport.com | > | >I own a '93 Corrado and I'm interested in connecting up the rear | >fog lights. My Corrado does not have the proper switch. I came across | >some references by people who said that these are available for | >purchase. | | Check with TurboTim, and see if he can hook you up with one. You want the | three position switch. New Dimensions phone # is (408)-980-1691. If he | can't help you, I believe APS sells them ( 714-630-1144 ). Try **TT** first, | he'll give you a square deal plus he's on the list. | Actually 93 and later Corrados don't use a 3 position switch but a second button with a slightly different graphic on it which is installed in a blank right next to the front foglight switch/button. They are harder to get in North America, but the same sources apply. Scott a-smcale@microsoft.com. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Jan 18 13:23 PST 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14324; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:23:14 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I05O1GI1PC003PFG@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23090 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:12:02 -0800 Received: from emp1.emp.state.or.us (root@emp1.emp.state.or.us [170.104.101.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA23068 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:11:58 -0800 Received: from w1013719 by emp1.emp.state.or.us (8.6.12/1.35) id LAA04039; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:03:05 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:03:05 -0800 From: schwartz@emp.state.or.us (Todd Schwartz) Subject: 5 Brake Lights-Instructions Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: schwartz@emp.state.or.us To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199601181903.LAA04039@emp1.emp.state.or.us> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO 2nd try! Jay, Jason, Chris, Justin and others...., I believe the following only applys directly to SLCs---although it should help a G-60 owner as a reference... A bunch of people wanted to know how I wired my rear fogs to my brake lights.... Put simply, I piggy-backed (I used those "plastic wire splicers/connectors" that clamp onto the existing wire)two wires (Hot and Ground) off of the two wires going into the third brake light. I then wired these two wires to the rear fogs...That's it....No problem...(SEE BELOW). The tricky part is determining where to hook up (use the female spade connectors) the hot and ground on the right and left fogs...There are six contact points for two bulbs...The back up lights and the rear fogs... On My 93 SLC it isn't real clear where to hook what...Not knowing what I was doing I just experimented...I blew two 10 amp fuses (I think it was #14 fuse...)before I got it right.... For some reason on the left side I didn't need to hook up the ground wire at all. I just hooked the hot up and the lights worked.....The wiring was actually different on the left and right side (it looks like the left side has an additional ground or something.... It's tougher to describe than it is to do...Just take your time and use your head (famous last words). The following should help.....I've violated Jan's copyright on his instructions for wiring the the rear fogs by pasting some of it here....Jan I'm sorry if I shouldn't have done this but I figured for the Corrado-l list you wouldn't mind... BTW the full instructions for hooking the rear fogs are on the Corrado Club home page..... >TOOLS: > >Wire crimping tool >Several female spade connectors (std size) Two 12v/21 watt bulbs four Plastic Clamps that allow you to piggy back off of wires (hardware store should have them) 4 ft of 16 gauge wire..... three or four 10 amp fuses in case you blow the fuse >Tape >A bag of small (black) tie wraps >Soldering Iron (optional) or a Scotch Lock Stanley knife >Regular tools (screwdrivers, nut-socket set) > >PROCEDURE > > 1.Take the rear platic cover of the rear deck (1/4 turn on the screws) > > 2.The rear fog lights are in the same assembly as the back-up lights > mounted on the hatch (NOT on the body with the brake lights). >? Now open up the black panel that covers the hatch lights and wing control. The panel is held by "bayonet" > screws that require a 1/4-1/2 turn with a Phillips #2 screw driver to loosen. Carefully pull the plastic cover away. It's > rather delicate. > Look at the light socket assembly for the tail light markers after you remove one (push in the snaps and pull). It should > have one empty slot where the rear fog light should go. The rear fog light lens is covered with a serated round blank. It > looks a bit like a "*". 4. remove this serated round blank with a sharp knife or small saw.... 5. Piggy back off of the third brake light a hot and ground lead. Hook these wires to the rear fogs (remember on my '93 SLC I didn't need a ground wire on the left side so you may only have to piggy back 3 wires (two hots and one ground--instead of four)...Also, on the left side I had to cut off the black wire (ground) from it's plastic holder to access the other contacts 6. Install the new bulbs in the light assembly...You don't need to pull the whole tailight assembly! 7. You're done! Todd Schwartz '93 VR6 SLC (Flash Red/Black Leather, Neuspeed Upper Tie Bar, K&N, 70 mph Spoiler, 5 brake lights) schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us \\\\\\ (; <> - -_-- \ _\ - ___ ) \ / < = = => = = => = = = => -- __---- -- ) > \ / - - _-- )___ \ ,-------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PRAY FOR WIND...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri Jan 26 10:43 PST 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA12877; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:43:40 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I0GOTE36R4004MYP@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00804; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:39:14 -0800 Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:39:10 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00665 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:39:02 -0800 Received: from ug.cs.dal.ca (root@ug.cs.dal.ca [129.173.4.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00608 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:38:54 -0800 Received: by ug.cs.dal.ca id <962(1)>; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:38:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:38:34 -0400 From: Andy Subject: Rear Fog Light to Brake -Can Model - Help Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com (Corrado Group) Reply-To: Andy Message-Id: <96Jan26.143836adt.962(1)@ug.cs.dal.ca> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Hi, I was wondering if any of you "electric" type folks can help me out. (These are not instructions, I'll post themonce I figure out how to do it) I was trying to wire up the rear for foglights as extra brake lights in the Canadian Model Corrado. Before I go and blow some fuses, can somone help me to connect it up correctly. Here is what I have. The center brake light has 2 wires in it. A brown and a red/black. I assume that the power is in the brown wire, right? Now, the plastic things where you put the light bulbs in, look like this: Left Right |---------------| |---------------| | 1 ===| |=== 7 | | (B) 2 ===| |=== 8 (B) | | 3 ===| |=== 9 | | --------| |-------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | --------| |-------- | | 4 ===| |=== 10 | | (B) 5 ===| |=== 11 (B) | | 6 ===| |=== 12 | |---------------| |---------------| (B) is where the bulbs are === is where you can attach the wires to. So, in my 90 G60 (Canadian Model), 1,2,6,7,8,9 and 10 have no wires attached to them. 3 has a black wire (that goes to 12 - I traced it) 4 has a black wire (goes to a collection ow wires) 5 has a brown wire 11 has a brown wire 12 has a black wire (from 3) Now, I assume I don't have to worry about grounding the new bulb since the whole assembly is already grouded (the bulb holder - it has a buch of "metal roads" with in it, some that are between the 2 bulbs and so on). Or do I need to ground it anyway - how? So the quesion is, where do I attach the hot wire from that center brake to each side? Would it be the brown or the red/black that I use? Is it enough to do attach the hot wire from the brake light to one side or both? Thanks on any input. Reply directly to me and I'll write up teh procedure. 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From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Feb 12 19:02 PST 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA10844; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:02:14 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I14X6KS0M800772D@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA03699; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:57:39 -0800 Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:57:34 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA03570 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:57:28 -0800 Received: from edsug.com (mailer.ug.eds.com [134.244.3.234]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA03552 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:57:23 -0800 Received: from camhpp49.ug.eds.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I14X4P68VK0081VH@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by camhpp49.ug.eds.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03448; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:00:26 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: 5 Brake lights AND Rear fogs Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: <01I14X4P6IJ60081VH@UG.EDS.COM> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Precedence: bulk Status: RO For those who want it all...(and yes, once I get going, you get a lot of mail)... I hooked the rear fog lights (which I had previously wired up to the fog light switch) to the rear brake lights. Figured I only use the rear fogs 5 times a year, the brakes a little bit more often, to make it PERFECTLY CLEAR to the 4 past (and future?) uninsured idiots that have rear-ended me that I am STOPPED in front of a light or stop sign. (Luckily only one in the C's so far, touch wood). As you would expect from me, I have an archive on the whole procedure. The main questions that remained is whether you need one or two diodes. Well the answer is unfortunately: 2. One to prevent the brake lights to go on when the rear fogs are on, and one to prevent the brake lights from turning on the fog light switch light and front fogs on when you brake (kind-a funny actually). Why unfortunately...a diode takes a .7 V toll so that the holes can frolic with the electrons. It will not effect your regular brake lights. Relays would have worked...but then you need another power wire and I was not about to tear the car appart again. Any regular Si diode (NOT ZENER) that can carry > 3 Amps and > 15V reverse voltage will do. Should cost you ~1$ (or less). Ahh yes, the obligatory ASCII art for those of you unfamiliar with solid state components. The stripe on the diode points to the "|" of ">|" Brake light (red & black) -->|--+--- Rear Fog | --- / \ | | Rear Fog Switch Naturally, if you go the easy route and just hook the rear fogs to the center brake light, you do not need these diodes. -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | http://alicudi.usc.edu:80/~jan/ \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | Torque gets you going, power keeps (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | you going. From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Jan 29 12:02 PST 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09947; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:02:17 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I0KYGAC8C0006NVE@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29457; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:45:46 -0800 Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:45:45 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29419 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:45:43 -0800 Received: from emp1.emp.state.or.us (root@emp1.emp.state.or.us [170.104.101.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA29376 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:45:39 -0800 Received: from w1013719 by emp1.emp.state.or.us (8.6.12/1.35) id JAA10450; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:35:56 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:35:56 -0800 From: schwartz@emp.state.or.us (Todd Schwartz) Subject: Wiring for SLC 4th + 5th B.Lights Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: schwartz@emp.state.or.us To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: schwartz@emp.state.or.us (Todd Schwartz) Message-Id: <199601291735.JAA10450@emp1.emp.state.or.us> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO I don't know who asked...I've forgotten...But they had drawn a beautiful picture of the SLCs rear fog light wiring pattern...I looked at my wiring this weekend...There are six contacts on each light on the rear hatch from top to bottom this is the correct wiring for the 4th and 5th brake lights (***means new wire, *means existing wire) YOU DO NOT NEED TO HOOK UP A GROUND FOR THE 4th and 5th LIGHTS--Just a hot lead... Right side 1.No wire 2.No wire 3.New Hot Lead*** 4. No wire 5. Brown wire* 6. Black wire* Left side 1. New Hot Lead*** 2. No wire 3. Black wire* (I had to cut this wire from it's housing to attach #1 above.) 4. Black Wire* 5. Brown Wire* 6. No wire It was strange, but the Left side had three existing wires and the right side had two existing wires....Don't know why. Hope this helps. Todd Schwartz '93 VR6 SLC (Flash Red/Black Leather, Neuspeed Upper Tie Bar, K&N, 70 mph Spoiler, 5 brake lights) schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us \\\\\\ (; <> - -_-- \ _\ - ___ ) \ / < = = => = = => = = = => -- __---- -- ) > \ / - - _-- )___ \ ,-------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PRAY FOR WIND...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~