From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!hookup!metrics.com!tomh Thu May 26 12:07:52 PDT 1994 Article: 32208 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!hookup!metrics.com!tomh From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) Subject: Re: [w] Pull out radios: was Re: VW Golf Sound System References: <1994May12.172302.29857@news.yale.edu> <2qu2j3$eot@lynx.unm.edu> <1994May13.162426.7711@news.yale.edu> <2r0jap$kt4@lynx.unm.edu> Organization: Software Metrics Inc. Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 02:10:39 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 20 jan@camhpp12.ug.eds.com (Jan Vandenbrande) writes: > VW changed that molding design over the years, and between similar models. > As I have discovered with radiators, you don't really know what you have > got until you pull it out. Actually they didn't *really* change it. All German and Mexican-production A2 cars had the faceplate with a removable molding around the radio opening, while with the US-produced cars the radio surround is part of the faceplate. Check your dashboard -- it's quite easy to tell. And if you have the German/Mexican faceplate, Blaupunkt sells a cheap (!) mounting kit which lets you fit one of their decks in very nicely. (It's hard with the stock part, since most of the Blaupunkts protrude a fair distance from the dashboard.) -- [ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ] [ "it is not enough to have a good mind. ] [ the main thing is to use it well." -- rene descartes ] From lynx.unm.edu!fmsrl7!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!bohemia!kirstein Mon Dec 20 10:15:58 PST 1993 Article: 24405 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!fmsrl7!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!bohemia!kirstein From: kirstein@bohemia.metronet.org (Dale Kirstein) Subject: Re: [W] Corrado stereo Message-ID: <1993Dec18.222813.1247@bohemia.metronet.org> Organization: Bohemia BBS System References: Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 22:28:13 GMT Lines: 40 I have installed a Panasonic In dash CD player in my 90 Corrado, using the original active speaker system. It's not real tricky, but there are some problems to overcome. The main problem is that the input to the VW AKTIV system has an unbalanced input, and requires the low side of the radio output to be at chassis ground. It is also somewhere inbetween line level and speaker level. Most after market stereo units, on the other hand, don't put out enough level from the line outs to drive the VW amps, so you have to use the speaker outputs. The speaker outputs, however, usually are floating above ground, even the negative side of the output! I have found 2 ways to make a non-VW stereo work. 1. CONNECT JUST THE POSITIVE SIDE of the speaker output for each channel to the AKTIV speaker harness for each of 4 channels. Leave the radio negative side for each channel floating (insulated with tape), and ground the ground side of each AKTIV speaker input. You may experience a pop each time you power the unit up. This can be gotten around with a switch in the control line to turn on the AKTIV amps. (if the amps are turned on after the radio, no pop) Please don't flame me on this, I know that theory-wise this is pretty tacky, but it does work! 2. The Right way! Find some audio transformers that can handle the required power, even better if they have the correct impedences. Connect them between the speaker outs of each channel, and the AKTIV speaker inputs from the VW harness. I can't recommend any particular transformers, and depending on your radio, the choice may not be critical. Please use this advice at your own risk. This has worked for me, and the sound is great (I think the VW speakers were well designed for the car) but maybe I was just lucky! Dale Kirstein (90 Corrado) Article 20944 of rec.autos.vw: Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!briber-pc.eng.umd.edu!rbriber From: Robert Briber Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: VW Premium radio -signals out-Help! Date: 4 Oct 1993 12:25:42 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 68 Distribution: world Message-ID: <28p4o6$dlr@hecate.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: briber-pc.eng.umd.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 4 Oct 93 13:25:58 GMT I have a 93 VW Passat with a VW premium cassette radio. The deck is designed to control an optional CD changer in the trunk. The radio and CD changer are manufactured by Matsushita of Japan. The outputs of the deck are labelled with the cryptic labels shown below. I'm looking for L/R line out and power on signals from the deck which I could use to run an amplifier for the rear speakers. The first two connectors with eight pins each are currently connected. This is for the six speaker factory system cassette/tuner. There are 2 door speakers, 2 dash tweeters and 2 rear deck speakers. The deck also dims with the interior lights. The car does not have a power antenna. I do not have the CD changer. The 3rd connector has 10 pins and is not connected to anything. This 3rd connector must be for the CD changer. Any help in deciphering the labels whould be much appreciated. The first 8 pin connector: One of these must be the hot wire (the "+" one?) and one must be ground (but which one?). pin#: 1 2 3 4 ---------------------------------------------- | \|/ | | + -O - S (not labelled) | | /|\ | | _ /| | | - \|/ | | |+ ALM | | | - \| | ---------------------------------------------- 5 6 7 8 The symbol for pin # 7 is a speaker with a "+" sign. Maybe pin #2 is the dimmer/light signal? The second 8 pin connector label (these are obviously the speaker connectors): pin#: 1 2 3 4 ------------------------------------ | - - - - | | | | + + + + | | LR LF RF RR | ------------------------------------ 5 6 7 8 This is the 3rd 10 pin connector which must be for the CD changer (currently not connected): pin#: 1 2 3 4 5 ------------------------------------------ | _ /| | | CDL | | |+ CD+ DTO CLCK | | - \| | | | | | | _ /| | | | | |- CDR SG- CD- DT | | - \| | ------------------------------------------ 6 7 8 9 10 Rob rbriber@eng.umd.edu From lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!EU.net!uunet!ftpbox!mothost!pts-nntp!sun21!dnikas Thu May 26 12:06:11 PDT 1994 Article: 32186 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!EU.net!uunet!ftpbox!mothost!pts-nntp!sun21!dnikas From: dnikas@pts.mot.com (Dimitrios Nikas) Subject: Re: VW Golf Sound System (must use factory Message-ID: Sender: news@pts.mot.com Nntp-Posting-Host: sun21 Reply-To: dnikas@pts.mot.com Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group References: <2qtfcv$e2c@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 20:39:28 GMT Lines: 28 In article e2c@darkstar.UCSC.EDU, kafka@cats.ucsc.edu (Gary Andrew Yuen) writes: > >In article <2qs5cn$272@froggy.cs.utexas.edu> tod@cs.utexas.edu (Tod T. Amon) writes: >>I am shopping for a new car, and want it to be "great stereo ready". The >>VW Golf III has 8 speakers standard (!) but the factory stereo is underpowered >>and the speakers are not particularly impressive. I called Crutchfield >>regarding recommendations for speaker upgrade, and they told me: >> >>"WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS FOR YOUR VEHICLE. RECOMMEND YOU USE FACTORY SPEAKERS" >> >>which startled me, and has me wondering about maybe I shouldn't consider the >>car. Evidently the spacing is really bizzarre or something. Anybody have >>a Golf III and run into this problem before, or have any recommendations or >>comments about VWs factory equipment. I did like the car, and may buy one, >>but this so far is a real negative. Thanks much. > > I think MB Quartz has a setup for Golf/Jetta III's. > > - Gary > Hmm, I think that is MB Quart, as in a quart of olive oil. Cheerio, <- Not the cereal Dimitri 1992 GTI 16V From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!philabs!uunet!microsoft!wingnut!scottst Mon Jul 11 13:35:31 PDT 1994 Article: 35220 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!philabs!uunet!microsoft!wingnut!scottst From: scottst@microsoft.com (Scott Stiles) Subject: Re: Audio System Message-ID: Organization: Microsoft Corp. Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:02:54 GMT Distribution: usa References: <2v5k0m$5fr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <366233@shoreline.ca> Lines: 33 In article <2v5k0m$5fr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> et508@cleveland.Freenet.Edu wrote: > > In a previous article, neuspeed@shoreline.ca (Neuspeed) says: > > >a lot for those speaker grills for the door. Do any aftermarket > >audio companys make speaker kits for the GTI? > > > >And for the boom box, what size is good? A pair of 10" or 12"? > >Should I be posting in rec.audio.car? MB Quart, one of the best (and German!) makes a special "stealth" kit for the golf/GTI II It consists of a bolt-in replacement for the door pocket speaker mount with a 5 1/4 mid/woofer, crossed over with a dome tweeter in a special mounting bracket that will drop into your dash spkr locations. The rear speaker locations can be used for "rear fill", the majority of your sound (and soundstage) should come from the front doors and dash find a decent 4X6 or 4" speaker that will bolt into the factory locations. Note: the MBQuart system may come with a rear speaker, I'm not sure. I heard one of these systems this past weekend in a Jetta III, sounded really nice, and you don't even know it's there because it's all behind factory speaker grilles. The Jetta also had 2 12" in the trunk, a bit much for me. I'm planning on going with a single high quality dual voice coil 10" (or possibly 8") in the back of my Corrado. This should give me as much bass as I really need without disturbing the peace (other traffic) and messing with my handling because of the substantial weight gain. From lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!sundog.tiac.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!kiltym Mon Jul 11 13:38:08 PDT 1994 Article: 35230 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!sundog.tiac.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!kiltym From: kiltym@cs.rpi.edu (Mark Kilty) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Audio System Date: 8 Jul 1994 15:00:55 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2vjpn7$4jv@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2v5k0m$5fr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <366233@shoreline.ca> <2vjn6i$7u8@bmerha64.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: fox.cs.rpi.edu My friend as the MB Quarts in his SAAB 900 with a 4x75 amp running the MB Quarts and a pair of subs in the truck, and I must say they are definately one of the best sounding auto speakers I have hear in a long long time. I know they are sold at nice auto sound stores, as that is where my friend purchased his.... Mark From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!newsserver.sfu.ca!sfu.ca!somji Mon Jul 11 13:55:46 PDT 1994 Article: 35273 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!newsserver.sfu.ca!sfu.ca!somji From: somji@malibu.sfu.ca (Dean Somji) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Audio System Date: 9 Jul 94 06:56:56 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <2v5k0m$5fr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <366233@shoreline.ca> <2vjn6i$7u8@bmerha64.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: malibu.sfu.ca soo@bmerh987.bnr.ca (Wei Soo) writes: >WOW ! This is great! I thought I was going to have to get creative in order >to get some decent sized drivers into the door. >Do you know the model number of this set? Quart's phone number for more info? >Meng "who's all excited now" Soo The systems you are looking for are the "Sound Set" range. Models are as follows: QM 215.21 => Golf II QM 215.22 => Passat QM 218.21 => Golf III QM 328.20 => Golf III (3-way system) Figures for the 215.21 and 215.22 are 50W, 4ohms, and a response of 49Hz to 32kHz. The 218.21 and the 328.20 have a 70w rating, 4 ohms, and 38Hz-32 kHz response range. Address: MB Quart Electronics USA, Inc. 25 Walpole Park South, Walpole, MA 02081 Phone: (508) 668-8973 Fax: (508) 668-8979 Hope it helps. BTW: Slightly pricey!!!! Dean -- =============================================================================== Obesewan Kenobi aka Dean Somji Somji@sfu.ca =============================================================================== -- =============================================================================== Obesewan Kenobi aka Dean Somji Somji@sfu.ca =============================================================================== From lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!microsoft!wingnut!scottst Tue Jul 12 12:34:35 PDT 1994 Article: 35402 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!microsoft!wingnut!scottst From: scottst@microsoft.com (Scott Stiles) Subject: Re: Corrado activ spkr replacement/removal tips??? Message-ID: Organization: Microsoft Corp. Keywords: Corrado Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 17:50:16 GMT Distribution: usa References: Lines: 29 I'm posting this on the net because I wasn't able to reply to Eric's mail directly, sorry for the added traffic. Eric Prior wrote: > The Polk components are 5.25" woofers and 1" tweeters... Eric, thanks very much for taking the time to respond. I have been contemplating doing this job myself (through Crutchfield) but I was about to be scared off by the door panel removal. It looks like it won't be too big of a deal if I have some patience. Crutchfield recommends only a 4" spkr in the doors, but I've heard a 5.25" is possible and it looks like you made this work. Did Crutchfields agree that a 5.25" would fit? Did you arrive at this measurement somewhere else? Are the '93 door panels (speaker locations) different than earlier Corrado's? Did you go with the MM 1255 or the MM 3055? One tip: When using separates in the front of the Corrado the Mids and Tweets are quite a ways apart (when the tweet is in the factory dash spkr location), I've been told that reversing the phase on the tweeter (swapping the positive and negative leads) will give you a better phasing of the front speakers. Another thought, I bet the changer would be more resistant to skipping if it was mounted in a more solid location (back of seat, corner of trunk, etc.). Thanks, Scott Stiles scottst@microsoft.com 93 SLC From scottst@microsoft.com Mon Jul 11 14:23 PDT 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (16.8/16.2) id AA29915; Mon, 11 Jul 94 14:23:56 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netmail2.microsoft.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.2-11 #4) id <01HEL085VO5S004WR5@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 14:23:44 PDT Received: by netmail2.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA16578; Mon, 11 Jul 94 14:23:30 -0700 Received: by netmail2 using fxenixd 1.0 Mon, 11 Jul 94 14:23:30 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 14:17:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Stiles Subject: Re: Corrado activ spkr replacement/removal tips??? To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <9407112123.AA16578@netmail2.microsoft.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Msmail-Message-Id: 93013672 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 93013672 Status: RO Jan, I have found a couple of local car stereo specialty shops that cary Quart, they don't seem to have made it to the large chains (probably because of the cost). I have a brochure at home, I'll get you their information number if you'd like. Replacing the rear speakers with 4" round speakers seems to be the way to go, MBQuart makes a 4" coaxial that fits nicely and Boston's 4.4 (4") Pro component set has been reported to work well (you have to mount the tweeter in a separate/visible location in this case. Either way, you're not going to get much bass out of the speakers. The rears are mainly used for "fill", to bring the soundstage back a bit from the dash. It looks like some sort of sub/woofer in the trunk is needed to get really full range sound unless you want to hack up your rear package tray and drop in some 6X9's (a little to obvious for me). The best door/dash speaker sets I've found are 5.25" component sets and they only go down to 49Hz, so there's a good portion of the sound-range missing. Scott scottst@microsoft.com Here's an exerpt from a piece of mail Eric Prior sent me, it has some good info on the installation: ============================================ > I just completed a total replacement of the stereo in my '92 SLC. > > I put a Kenwood KRC-980 AM/FM cassette CD changer controller > in the dash - removable face, > remote control, killer tape section; a Kenwood KDC-C602 10 > disc changer and a Sony integrated > 6-way amplifier/crossover - the CD changer and amp mounted on > a board that I mounted to the > underside of the luggage area cover; Polk Mobile Audio > components in the doors and dash, and > Polk 4x6 metric 2-ways in the rear baskets; a 6.5" Bazooka > subwoofer strapped down to the back > of the right rear seat; and a waterproof fuse holder near the > battery for the amp power supply. > > The only change that is visible are the screws in the rear > cover used to mount the board and I > painted them black - only a Corrado owner would know they > weren't stock. If needed, I can dis- > connect everything on the board quickly and remove the rear > cover and/or subwoofer. It's a real > clean installation but I took my time (several days) and used patience doing it. > > The Polk components are 5.25" woofers and 1" tweeters. I > removed the door panels (relatively easy > - don't lose the little plugs that go in the head of the > screws) and removed the map pockets from > the door panels. The entire Aktiv speaker component can then > be removed providing plenty of space > for the 5.25" woofers and acoustic baffles. Unfortunately the > studs that the speakers mount on are > plastic so what I did was cut one off (the one furthest > forward) and drilled a hole through the map > pocket at that post and used a screw and clip to securely > clamp the speaker in place. The speaker > cover on the map pocket hides the screw from view. For the > tweeter I had a plastics place make me > two .125" thick, 4" diameter disks with 2" diameter holes in > the center into which the tweeters are > surface mounted. The plastic disks sit over the stock holes in > the dash and the stock speaker covers > snap down and hold the disks in place. The tweeters can be > tilted in their mounts to provide proper > stereo imaging. The hardest part about the door panels was > getting the door lock lifter to go through > the hole when putting the panels back on the door (use a piece > of tape to hold the door lock lifter all > the way back and out). No need to remove any of the snaps > along the bottom of the panels but be > careful removing the plastic covers over the inside of the > area where the mirrors mount (I broke one > of the snaps but the cover still stays in place). > > I had to cut away the bottom of the rear speaker basket to > accomodate the Polk 4x6 metrics. I used a > Moto-Tool which cut through the plastic like butter - it > wasn't as clean as I would have liked but > nobody can see it. I might have used a different subwoofer > but I had the Bazooka from a previous > system in the GLI I had before the SLC. I listen mostly to > jazz so I don't need a subwoofer that > breaks the neighbors windows. The Sony is a great little amp > since I get 30 watts RMS per channel > to the front and the rear and 70 watts RMS to the subwoofer > which is mono. The built-in crossover > allows me to select crossover points for the front, rear, and > subwoofer that are correct for the speakers > (70, 100, or 150 Hz) and it has separate input levels for > front, rear, and subwoofer. It all comes in one > relatively small footprint package and minimizes the > additional weight on the rear cover. > > The CD changer has skipped a few times but I'm not too > surprised since the Corrado bounces around > so much because it is so tightly sprung. Also, the random > feature of the changer seems to sometimes > take an extraordinarily long time decided just which track its > going to play. I think Kenwood has the > best looking components and that's what made me decide on that brand. > > BTW, I purchased most everything except the amp from > Crutchfield and was very satisfied with the > service and information I received from them - and I didn't > have to pay sales tax. If you have the time > and inclination, I highly recommend that you do the > installation yourself - nobody else cares as much > about your car as you do so only you can do a job that is as > clean and careful as you want. Good luck. > ---------- > From: Jan Vandenbrande > To: Scott Stiles > Cc: > Subject: Re: Corrado activ spkr replacement/removal tips??? > Date: Monday, July 11, 1994 1:34PM > > In article you write: > >After living with my stock (VW Premium in 93 SLC) stereo system for 6mos I > >have decided it's time for an upgrade, I'd like to be able to hear my stereo > >clearly with the windows down at highway speed... > > > >I am currently in the planning stages, selecting components. I'd like to install > >a cd/tuner in the dash and MBQuart separates in the door/dash, unfortunately > >MBQuart doesn't make a "kit" for the Corrado like they do for the Golf II, > >Golf&Jetta III and Passat but their rep has suggested a system that should bolt > >into the stock locations. > >The stock system looks to have a 4" mid/woofer in the door which is mounted > >from the BACK of the panel which is accompanied by a dome tweeter in the dash > >(in a 4" mounting bracket), the system also has 4X6" garbage speakers on either > >side of the rear deck for fill (landfill?). > > > >Has anyone replaced their door speakers in a 93 Corrado? > >Is door panel removal necessary? It looks like it will be. > >Any tips on door panel removal? > >Any successful Corrado system upgrade stories? > > > >Thanks, > >Scott Stiles > >scottst@microsoft.com > >93 SLC > > If you find out more, please let me know. I am interested mostly > in replacing the rears with something better but in the stock > location. > BTW, where can you get MBQuart speakers? > > Thanks, Jan > -- > Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com > > From lynx.unm.edu!camhpp12.ug.eds.com.mdcbbs.com!jan Fri Jan 14 13:09:44 PST 1994 Article: 17680 of rec.audio.car Path: lynx.unm.edu!camhpp12.ug.eds.com.mdcbbs.com!jan From: jan@camhpp12.ug.eds.com (Jan Vandenbrande) Newsgroups: rec.audio.car Subject: Re: CD Changers w/RF Modulation Date: 12 Jan 1994 22:22:38 GMT Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h1t7eINNfoo@lynx.unm.edu> References: <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: camhpp12.ug.eds.com In article <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> deej@heathcliff.engin.umich.edu (david james foremsky) writes: > >I read the article in Car Audio magazine (about trunk mounted >CD changers that play through existing head units through >RF modulators) that was recommended on this group recently, >and based on that, I have some questions about them: > May I add another question: 4) How will it affect existing FM reception (as you do end up splicing something in the antenna wire). Jan -- Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com jan@lipari.usc.edu (school address, forwards) From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!news.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!cfe+ Fri Jan 14 13:09:51 PST 1994 Article: 17702 of rec.audio.car Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!news.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!cfe+ From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Newsgroups: rec.audio.car Subject: Re: CD Changers w/RF Modulation Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 17:08:42 -0500 Organization: Sponsored account, Systems Group 82, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Excerpts from netnews.rec.audio.car: 11-Jan-94 CD Changers w/RF Modulation david james foremsky@hea (871) > 1 How do they sound? The article comments on problems of > limited frequency range due to FM tuner constraints. Is this > narrowing of the range significant? Can you tell the difference in your home stereo between FM-broadcast music and CD music? That's the same as the difference between FM broadcast/reception and direct-wire CD hookup. If you prefer the CD sound because it's clearer than the FM broadcast, you'll hear the same high-end cutoff in the transmission to your car FM receiver. It may not actually be quite that bad, since the low-power CD transmitter could conceivably be a little broader-band coverage than FCC-licensed radio transmitters, and there might not be a big high-end roll-off in your car receiver, but that's a dubious argument: the FM stereo-format signal MUST terminate at 19KHz or before, so that you have room to include the channel-difference signal. Craig From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!usenet-feed.umr.edu!pozsgay Fri Jan 14 13:09:58 PST 1994 Article: 17716 of rec.audio.car Newsgroups: rec.audio.car Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!usenet-feed.umr.edu!pozsgay From: pozsgay@umr.edu (Andrew Pozsgay) Subject: Re: CD Changers w/RF Modulation References: <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <2h1t7eINNfoo@lynx.unm.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 06:59:01 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: saucer.cc.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri, Rolla Sender: cnews@umr.edu (UMR Usenet News Administration) Message-ID: <1994Jan13.065901.10805@umr.edu> Lines: 21 In article <2h1t7eINNfoo@lynx.unm.edu>, Jan Vandenbrande wrote: >In article <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> deej@heathcliff.engin.umich.edu (david james foremsky) writes: >> > >May I add another question: > >4) How will it affect existing FM reception (as you do end up splicing > something in the antenna wire). > It should have no effect on FM reception since there is an internal switch which takes the modulator out of the circuit when you are not using CD. BTW, if you have good quality speakers in your car and an amp, there is a big difference in sound quality between the modulator hookup and a direct hookup. If you do the direct hookup, music on the radio will sound poor in comparison. -Andy From lynx.unm.edu!fmsrl7!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!eigen!gilchr Fri Jan 14 13:10:39 PST 1994 Article: 17717 of rec.audio.car Newsgroups: rec.audio.car Path: lynx.unm.edu!fmsrl7!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!eigen!gilchr From: gilchr@ee.ualberta.ca (Andrew Gilchrist) Subject: Re: CD Changers w/RF Modulation Message-ID: Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: eigen.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 07:29:00 GMT Lines: 28 deej@heathcliff.engin.umich.edu (david james foremsky) writes: >I read the article in Car Audio magazine (about trunk mounted >CD changers that play through existing head units through >RF modulators) that was recommended on this group recently, >and based on that, I have some questions about them: >1 How do they sound? The article comments on problems of >limited frequency range due to FM tuner constraints. Is this >narrowing of the range significant? FM broadcasts have a frequency response of 50Hz to 15kHz. I consider this to be a serious impediment to HiFi reproduction. At least some RF units do not properly bandlimit the audio before multiplexing to stereo FM. This can cause big big problems if high frequencies are introduced, particularly if they impinge on the 19kHz FM pilot frequency. A friend of mine who had an old Sony RF unit complained that at a certain point in "Kokomo" the tuner would lose FM lock on the channel. WaY kOoL! >2 I would like to have one installed, and based on the article, >I am leaning towards the Kenwood. I am also considering Alpine, >Pioneer and Eclipse units that were not reviewed in the article. >Does anybody have experience with any of these units? You don't want an RF unit. Trust me. Landroo From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Tue Aug 16 12:44:22 PDT 1994 Article: 37607 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: cybrland@aol.com (Cybrland) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado activ spkr replacement/removal tips??? Date: 14 Aug 1994 20:52:01 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <32me7h$k9f@search01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article , scottst@microsoft.com (Scott Stiles) writes: I DID it! The door panel comes off by: 1. Open the door 2. remove all the screws around the perimeter of the door. 3. pull the plastic cover off of the interior door panel. 4. remove the screws in the handle. 5. remove the plastic cover near the side mirror. 6. pull of the door panel 7. remove the metal baffle. 8. Voila! Door speaker! From mshearer@math.ucla.edu Wed Jul 13 13:00 PDT 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (16.8/16.2) id AA04342; Wed, 13 Jul 94 13:00:55 -0700 Return-Path: mshearer@math.ucla.edu Received: from julia.math.ucla.edu by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.2-11 #4) id <01HENPVOQ3OW004MDA@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:00:39 PDT Received: from redwood.math.ucla.edu by julia.math.ucla.edu (Sendmail 4.1/1.11) id AA26394; Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:59:43 PDT Received: by redwood.math.ucla.edu (Sendmail 4.1/1.11) id AA07302; Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:59:43 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:59:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Shearer Subject: Re: Problem with using portable CD player in Jetta ///... To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <9407131959.AA07302@redwood.math.ucla.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Jan, I have one of those tape things. When I bought the car I sort of blew off the idea of a cd player, but now I think I'll make sure to get one next time. The cd player I have is a Sony Car Diskman. I have two minor complaints about it: the wires tend to get tangled up and in the way, and if the unit is on the passenger seat, pretty much whenever I hit a bump it looses the track for a second (that's in the Corrado, in the GLi this doesn't happen). I guess the suspension is too harsh for it. :-) As you no dooubt can guess, there was not a lot of choice as far as what options the car came with: I'd trade the cold weather package for a cd player any day! ;-) (I sure have gotten a ton of use out of that! In fact, the only time I think I've ever turned on a seat warmer was to crank it up to 5 and see how long it took my passenger to notice how warm their seat was getting.) Mike From cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Fri Sep 16 13:00:03 PDT 1994 Article: 20037 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1 08/24/93 VAX/VMS V1.5; site cc.usu.edu Path: cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD option in 94-95 Je Message-ID: <60.28425.4949.0N1AF054@canrem.com> From: tom.neumann@canrem.com (Tom Neumann) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 94 00:15:00 -0400 References: <34kp15$fiq@hecate.umd.edu> Distribution: world Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Lines: 26 Robert M. Briber writes: RR>The premium radio that VW has been making for a few years now can >control a trunk mounted CD changer. Both parts are made by >Panasonic but they are designed to work with eachother and not with >other Panasonic parts. In other words an off the shelf Panasonic CD >changer will not work with the VW head unit. There has been some >discussion of this on the net and one person even hooked a system >up. The VW head unit would operate the Panasonic changer with >limited funcionality but the >head unit did not display correctly as to what the changer was doing >or where you where (i.e. which CD/which track). At our dealership, we have a local stereo store that installs the Panasonic model DP60. (This is a six-disc changer.) I don't know if they have to do any modifications to the wiring, but it installs and works perfectly with the VW supplied Premium AM/FM Cassette. All the functions work correctly and the display reports all the proper info (CD, track, etc.) We sell the unit installed for $600.00 (Canadian $). Tom --- * 1st 1.11 #3720 * I sell Volkswagens From cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!mxb171 Fri Sep 16 13:18:46 PDT 1994 Article: 20078 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1 08/24/93 VAX/VMS V1.5; site cc.usu.edu Path: cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!mxb171 Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Speakers question Message-ID: <94255.093103MXB171@psuvm.psu.edu> From: HairClub President Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:31:03 EDT References: <34h8uu$lb5@hermod.uio.no> <94252.094543MXB171@psuvm.psu.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Penn State University Lines: 37 In article , lehrian@e4mail.ece.drexel.edu (Matthew Lehrian) says: >> >I just have a question about loudspeakers in a '87 golf. >> >I don't want to cut and mount speakers in the doors or in the back >> >over the trunk.. >> >> >Are there any good speakers that fit in the original mountingplaces >> >front and rear? Or are 3.5" and 4"x 6" to small too sound o.k. >MB Quart all the way. They're simply the best. You'll pay a bit more for >them, but they make kits specifically for Volkswagens (as well as other >German autos). I buying a 10 speaker MB Quart system for my Jetta /// for >the factory locations. I had MB Quarts in a Fiat Spider that I used to own >(sounded great even with the top down at 70 MPH). Unless you NEED a 12" to >18" speaker in your car for some reason, the Quarts should go down low >enough for you for a nice stock look (and talk about PUNCHY TIGHT sound). >I love 'em. >--- Matthew Lehrian --- >Lehrian@e4mail.ece.drexel.edu \ / >lehriamr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu \ \/ / > skittle@cbis.ece.drexel.edu \/\/ Volkswagenwerk I do agree that MB Quartz have a good sound, but I have to disagree in the bass department. I have the 215 Golf set in my car and have found them to be dropping off even before the "bass" frequencies. They seem to be at 3 db down by about 130hz or so (Pure guess just by sound and specs). If you seal them up REAL good you can get ~some~ more midbass out of them, but the call for a sub is still there. Even with a good seal, they don't get anywhere near 50 hz, which I wouldn't expect from a 5 1/4" either. So please note, I am not bashing quart at all. I am just saying that the 5 1/4"is not big enough to get the low notes no matter who makes it. (Disclaimer: I did have a friend who made a 4" isobarik tube that was about 7 feet long and went down to 40hz, but that is far from a normal setup and would not fit in your Golf). - mike From cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!emba-news.uvm.edu!uunet!panix!ddsw1!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!news.drexel.edu!dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu!e4-lebow-n1-5-90.ece.drexel.edu!user Fri Sep 16 14:01:22 PDT 1994 Article: 20316 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1 08/24/93 VAX/VMS V1.5; site cc.usu.edu Path: cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!emba-news.uvm.edu!uunet!panix!ddsw1!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!news.drexel.edu!dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu!e4-lebow-n1-5-90.ece.drexel.edu!user Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Speakers question Message-ID: From: lehrian@e4mail.ece.drexel.edu (Matthew Lehrian) Date: 14 Sep 1994 05:41:20 GMT Followup-To: rec.autos.vw References: <34h8uu$lb5@hermod.uio.no> <94252.094543MXB171@psuvm.psu.edu> <94255.093103MXB171@psuvm.psu.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Drexel University NNTP-Posting-Host: e4-lebow-n1-5-90.ece.drexel.edu Lines: 66 In article <94255.093103MXB171@psuvm.psu.edu>, HairClub President wrote: > In article , > lehrian@e4mail.ece.drexel.edu (Matthew Lehrian) says: > >> >I just have a question about loudspeakers in a '87 golf. > >> >I don't want to cut and mount speakers in the doors or in the back > >> >over the trunk.. > >> > >> >Are there any good speakers that fit in the original mountingplaces > >> >front and rear? Or are 3.5" and 4"x 6" to small too sound o.k. > >MB Quart all the way. They're simply the best. You'll pay a bit more for > >them, but they make kits specifically for Volkswagens (as well as other > >German autos). I buying a 10 speaker MB Quart system for my Jetta /// for > >the factory locations. I had MB Quarts in a Fiat Spider that I used to own > >(sounded great even with the top down at 70 MPH). Unless you NEED a 12" to > >18" speaker in your car for some reason, the Quarts should go down low > >enough for you for a nice stock look (and talk about PUNCHY TIGHT sound). > >I love 'em. > > I do agree that MB Quartz have a good sound, but I have to disagree > in the bass department. I have the 215 Golf set in my car and have found > them to be dropping off even before the "bass" frequencies. They seem to > be at 3 db down by about 130hz or so (Pure guess just by sound and specs). > If you seal them up REAL good you can get ~some~ more midbass out of them, > but the call for a sub is still there. Even with a good seal, they > don't get anywhere near 50 hz, which I wouldn't expect from a 5 1/4" either. > So please note, I am not bashing quart at all. I am just saying that the > 5 1/4"is not big enough to get the low notes no matter who makes it. > (Disclaimer: I did have a friend who made a 4" isobarik tube that was about > 7 feet long and went down to 40hz, but that is far from a normal setup and > would not fit in your Golf). > > - mike Agreed, you're not going to get 20 Hz out of a 6 inch speaker, but 130 Hz is awefully high. I would suspect more in the area of 70 Hz for a typical installation. My next question would be what head unit/amp were you driving them with? I had Alpine CD/Alpine 25 RMS x 4/4 MB Quart 2-ways (5 1/4) in my Fiat and I couldn't tell much difference between that and my brother-in-law's Scirocco which has 2 10 inch subs in a box. Anyway, my point is not to dispute the need for sub-woofers for 20 Hz to 20 kHz reproduction. My point is that for the average Joe who doesn't listen to THUMPIN' rap music (you know who you are) are who doesn't enter stereo competitions, subs aren't NECESSARY for a very good sound when shelling out the bucks for MB Quarts. Additionally, if the car is to be used for everyday transportation, sub boxes can be very cumbersome and screw up the nice fold-down rear seat benefit, severly limiting cargo space. Incidentally, I plan on replacing the factory speakers in my Jetta /// with a 10-speaker MB Quart system driven by Alpine components. For my sub, I'm installing an Alpine powered sub box (70 Watts RMS) with a single custom wiring connector and a few thumb screws for easy removal. Again, subs a great, but not necessary unless you REALLY want it. But I suggest buying the MB Quarts and installing your stereo. If it's not enough bass FOR YOU, then think about adding sub-woofers. Everything is a tradeoff, and happiness is balancing the parameters that are important to you. --- Matthew Lehrian --- \ / lehriamr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu \ \/ / skittle@cbis.ece.drexel.edu \/\/ Volkswagenwerk From cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Tue Sep 20 14:37:10 PDT 1994 Article: 20564 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1 08/24/93 VAX/VMS V1.5; site cc.usu.edu Path: cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD option in 94-95 Je Message-ID: <60.28829.4949.0N1B08DF@canrem.com> From: tom.neumann@canrem.com (Tom Neumann) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 10:12:00 -0400 Distribution: world Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Lines: 46 Kim_Kimball@transarc.com writes: KK> Someone raised the issue of whether the VW head unit would work with > the Panasonic version of the changer. KK> The answer, unfortunately, is no. We have that exact unit installed on one of our demos and it works fine. The display when playing a CD looks like this: CD 2 TRACK 01 with the numbers subscipted a bit. When you hold the arrows toscan through a selection thye display shows the seconds left on that selection. Was it supposed to show something else? KK> I took my GLX to a stereo shop and we hooked up the Panasonic CX-DP60. > All functions work -- changing disks, shuffle play, changing tracks, > scanning, etc. BUT -- the LCD display on the head unit doesn't get > updated; so you never know what the heck is going on. You might want to try a different stereo shop. KK> If anyone finds a stock non-VW changer that works with the VW > head unit, or a solution to the update problem described above, > I'd be very interested in knowing. The CX DP60 works fine with the VW Premium Cassette. If you are up in Toronto I'll show it to you working just fine;if you want to have one installed we'll do it for $600 Canadian plus tax (15%). If you or anyone else want to arrange this please call me at (416)741-7480 Tom Neumann York Volkswagen 1950 Wilson Ave. Weston, Ontario <---- this is in Metropolitan Toronto M9M 1B2 Tom --- * 1st 1.11 #3720 * I sell Volkswagens ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Neumann Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:tom.neumann@canrem.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 23:00:00 -0400 Subject: RE: CORRADO & OTHERS PROB By the way, if you didn't see the thread a while back the Panasonic CX DP-60 six pack CD changer very definatly can be made to work properly in every respect with the Volkswagen Premium AM/FM Cassette with CD changer. I've sold a few and we have one running at the dealership to show people. I spoke with the installer, and while he didn't tell me exactly what they had to do to adapt it, he told me that it was just a matter of getting the wires right. He had an adapter that just routed the wires properly. Tom --- From eafg034@ea.oac.uci.edu Tue Oct 18 09:22 PDT 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA29726; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:22:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from taurus.oac.uci.edu by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HIF0KIBQNK0009WQ@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taurus.oac.uci.edu id AA14083 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for jan@ug.eds.com) ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:17:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Deanna Westra Subject: Factory speakers To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Replacing the factory speakers is not as simple as one might think. If you have the door speakers that say "Aktiv" on them, they are powered with their own amplifiers internally. The line level coming to them from the Heidelberg head unit is, unfortunately, too weak to drive a regular speaker, and too strong to drive an amplifier driving a regular speaker. So if you want to replace the speakers, you MUST replace the Heidelberg also. The dashboard tweeters also use this "neither-here-nor-there" voltage, however the rear speakers are amplified from within the Heidelberg. Thanks a lot, VW, for giving us the world's hardest stereo to replace! Has anybody found a replacement door panel, designed to hold a third party midwoofer with an enclosure? From dberar@julian.uwo.ca Tue Oct 18 13:06 PDT 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11279; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:06:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from julian.uwo.ca by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HIF8E9EKG0000SV4@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by julian.uwo.ca id AA25760; Tue, 18 Oct 94 16:07:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 16:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "d. berar" Subject: Re: speaker question (fwd) In-Reply-To: <01HIF755JWKY000SAT@UG.EDS.COM> To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO On Tue, 18 Oct 1994, Jan Vandenbrande wrote: > > > > I can't speak sprecifically sbabout the Corrado speakers, bytut > > in general factory sound systems are opverproiced and underpowered. > > > > My suggestion is that you get some aftermarket speakers, installing > > them is no problem unless you are totally mechanincally uninclined > > (Your VCR still flashes 12:00)...They are a ->MUCH<- better > > imrovement and cost easil under $100. > > > > Dan Berar > > dberar@julian.uwo.csa > > SUch as? > > -- > Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com > Well I was unaware that the Corrado speakers were amplified so to replace them you would need an amplifier as well, or you can get a head unit with a built-in amp.. As for speakers some good low-end names include Pioneer and Sony, while if you wanted good clear high-end you could get MB Quart or Boston Acoustic separates... Dan Berar From eafg034@ea.oac.uci.edu Sun Dec 11 18:11 PST 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA29082; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:10:59 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from taurus.oac.uci.edu by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HKIYOV4434004HNK@UG.EDS.COM>; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taurus.oac.uci.edu id AA21694 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for jan@ug.eds.com) ; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:05:26 -0800 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:05:26 -0800 (PST) From: Deanna Westra Subject: Re: Speaker solutions (fwd) To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 21:26:31 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Zarkovacki Subject: Re: Speaker solutions > Has anyone come up with a solution for good, clear bass in a Corrado that > does NOT involve building a huge box in the back? (Please, don't bother > responding with "My box isn't TOO gigantic, it's not THAT bad," ;-) > Look in the latest Crutchfield Magazine. There are a lots of small boxed with tube style woofers. Kenwood KSC-W800's are - 9-7/8" W x 10-1/2" H x 16" L - up to 100 watts RMS - 4 Ohm impedance - 8 inch woofers Also they have a model that comes with a built in amplifier - KSC-WA801. Without an amp they cost 149.95 each and with it --> 249.95 each. The Kicker Substations are also a good choice. They offer both 6-1/2 and 8 inch sets which come with port plugs to tighten the sound. Supposedly if you aim the ports at the rear corners of the car they are best for jazz and pop. And you can aim them at the corners for slamming bass for rap. The 8 inchers can handle 150 watts and the 6-1/2" can handle 100 watts RMS. They have flat bottoms and have brackets to keep them stable. - The 8" boxes measure 8-3/4" W x 8-3/4" H x 18-1/2" L These are also 4 ohms and cost 269.95 a pair for the 8 inchers and 199.95 a pair for the 6-1/2" boxes. Hope this helps. I talked to a radio installer at Century 2000 and he said that Cerwin Vega set up a record setting system for the 1990 Corrado without hogging space and using the original speaker locations. Cerwin Vega said that the Corrado was a excellent car, and had amazing accoustics without letting the whole world hear it outside. Order the Crutchfield catalog and browse it might be more helpful to see it than have me explain it to you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Zarkovacki The University of Akron r3tkz@dax.uakron.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eafg034@ea.oac.uci.edu Wed Dec 14 09:53 PST 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02904; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:53:02 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from rigel.oac.uci.edu by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HKMO6FR0OW005ANO@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rigel.oac.uci.edu id AA24727 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for jan@ug.eds.com) ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:39:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: Deanna Westra Subject: Re: [W] Heisenberg Stereo (fwd) To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 18:16:43 -40975532 (CST) From: Steven M. Kosloske Subject: Re: [W] Heisenberg Stereo (fwd) > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:35:16 EST > From:mspivak@hyperdesk.com > Subject: Re: [W] Heisenberg Stereo (fwd) > > Speaking of electrical contact cleaner - where do you get this stuff? > Radio Shack does not have it. Nobody in my area has it. > I suspect there might be some relation to CFC ban (?). > > Any ideas? > > Marat > Try high end audio stores. Theres a product called "Tweak" (I think) that is made to enhance contacts, works great. -- (Steve Kosloske) | ------------------------------------| "Cogito, ergo sum" (I think I-net: Steven.Kosloske@mixcom.com | therefore I am) - Rene Descartes `90 Corrado G60 (30K) | From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!Elroy.UH.EDU!BLW12879 Mon Oct 31 13:52:28 PST 1994 Article: 42074 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!Elroy.UH.EDU!BLW12879 From: blw12879@Elroy.UH.EDU (brandon white) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: MB Quart Speaker Set for Jetta ///? Date: 28 Oct 1994 06:03:48 GMT Organization: University of Houston Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38q484$1tr@masala.cc.uh.edu> References: <38gpv9$3fh@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Reply-To: blw12879@Elroy.UH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu In article <38gpv9$3fh@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, schmitt@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Schmitt) writes: >Rumor has it there is a comapny by the name of MB Quart (funny name....) >that sells speaker sets for VW's. I remember one gentleman saying he had >just purchased a 10 speaker set for his new VW, and I am intrested in doing >the same. Anyone have any info on this company? >Andrew Schmitt Andrew, the reason you may not have heard of MB Quart is because they are a very exquisite and needless to say far above normal car audio standards. I dont consider myself a VW expert by any means... however car audio IS my bag. FYI - For many years there was an advertisment in Car Audio magazine that said there were 4 things in common with the majority of the IASCA winners and best of shows... JL Audio SubWoofers, Precision Power Amplifiers, Street Wires Cabling, and MB Quart Speakers. What am I trying to say? After many, many systems I have been sold on JL Audio, Precision Power, and of Course MB Quart. Good Listening! blw12879@jetson.uh.edu From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bmerha64.bnr.ca!jmclaugh Tue Nov 1 15:16:48 PST 1994 Article: 42388 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bmerha64.bnr.ca!jmclaugh From: jmclaugh@bcars781.bnr.ca (James McLaughlin) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: CD changer for A3's Date: 1 Nov 1994 16:28:24 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 22 Distribution: na Message-ID: <395qb8$df9@bmerha64.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcars781.bnr.ca I saw a post made a while ago asking about the Panasonic changer for VW's. I just had one installed in my '94 Jetta, and it seems to work fine. The LCD display correctly shows which CD, and which track is playing. When I fast forward it displays the time. I haven't figured out how to get the time to show when it's playing regular speed. If anyone happens to know how let me know. As well if anyone has this player and it isn't updating the track info, then it must be hooked up wrong. I was told that they had to get a connector and cable from the dealer, then rewire the cable to get it to work correctly. It was a lot cheaper to go to the local stereo shop than the dealer. VW wanted $799, the dealer could sub contract it out for $699, but I paid $459 installed. These prices are Canadian, so I think it was a pretty good deal. Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim McLaughlin - Bell Northern Research - (613) 765-3493 - jmclaugh@bnr.ca From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!telerama.lm.com!not-for-mail Tue Dec 13 18:45:03 PST 1994 Article: 45577 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!telerama.lm.com!not-for-mail From: bwgti16v@telerama.lm.com (Brian Wicks) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: [W] Door Speaker for AKTIV System Date: 13 Dec 1994 08:33:10 -0500 Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3ck7qm$glt@telerama.lm.com> References: <3c9s31$1f8t@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <3cjc52$7j6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: telerama.lm.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] James McElroy Jr. (jmcelroy@wpi.edu) wrote: > I think you're stuck. I went looking for new door speakers last > summer and talked to Crutchfield and all sorts of reputable local car > stereo places. They all said the only way to replace the Activ > speakers is to replace the whole system - including head unit. > OTOH, it seems like the radio in our cars has amp pre outs that could > be used to power an amp and then regular speakers, but I haven't > confirmed this. Anyone else know what all those extra connections are > on the back of the Heidelburg unit in late model GTI/GLIs? Are they preouts? Well the AKTIV does have pre-amp outputs..but they are not the standard 500mv (?) that everyone else is. I tried them but they didn't work very well. Also I know someone else here tried it and had a problem with getting high volumne output. You don't necessarly have to replace the head unit (the purists will freak out here) I just ran my outputs to a Line level converter and then to a punch 30 amp which powers the rear speakers (and a tube) and will be able to power the fronts when I buy components. My system looks stock (i.e. reduces break in risk IMO) but sounds much better and is capable of much higher volumnes than the stock system. Again the audio purists (hi Mikey) will have a fit about this but it will solve your problem. -- Brian Wicks A.K.S. Autocrossing, Kayaking, Soccer bwgti16v.telerama.lm.com Keep the Faith From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bmerha64.bnr.ca!jmclaugh Thu Dec 15 13:35:16 PST 1994 Article: 45671 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bmerha64.bnr.ca!jmclaugh From: jmclaugh@bcars781.bnr.ca (James McLaughlin) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: '95 GTI CD-Player location? Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:52:54 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3cn0s6$sjs@bmerha64.bnr.ca> References: <3bdb5q$k31@mercury.ucsb.edu> <1994Dec13.164209.28418@eplrx7.es.duPont.com> <3clpka$36p@newstand.syr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcars781.bnr.ca In article <3clpka$36p@newstand.syr.edu>, Josh Linder wrote: >Mark A. Wardrop (wardrop@pods04.dnet.dupont.com) wrote: >: Does anyone know what makes of CD changers will work with the '95 GTI >: Panasonic CD changer controller? Is the Panasonic the only one that will >: work or is the Panasonic interface the same as any other brand? > >The VW one is the only one that will work. The Panasonic one really just >doesn't. Does that mean that I just imagine that the Panasonic DP60 changer I have installed in my '94 Jetta works just fine? As I posted some time ago, I had it installed for $459 CDN, and YES you CAN use the Panasonic just fine with the Premium stereo. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim McLaughlin - Bell Northern Research - (613) 765-3493 - jmclaugh@bnr.ca From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.ufl.edu!maple.circa.ufl.edu!WHERE Tue Jan 10 10:39:45 PST 1995 Article: 47540 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.ufl.edu!maple.circa.ufl.edu!WHERE From: where@maple.circa.ufl.edu Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD out jack in [US] Golf /// Stereo Date: 10 Jan 1995 15:47:01 GMT Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3eua5m$a0u@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Reply-To: where@maple.circa.ufl.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: maple.circa.ufl.edu I tell you what, I'll modify my Sony Discman power adapter mounting plate to add a capacitor across the input leads and let you know whether it works or not. (I have an external pre-amplifier equalizer with CD input jack). I think the best thing I've come across to reduce "grounding" problems in the stereo was the Radio Shack "Ground Loop Isolator" device. It amounts to an RCA patch cord with a 1"X2" can in the middle of it that apparently contains a pair of isolation transformers according to the schematic on the side of it. I found it worth the $12 it cost, unfortunately I used it between my EQ and my stereo head unit that has RCA in and out jacks (run out to the EQ then back into the head unit for front amplification. :) I agree that running on batteries is the easy out, but shoot there has to be a better way. I've looked at the Sony car power adapter and it has NO filtering what-so-ever. Looks like its re- design time. :) Mark Wendt "WHERE?" '80 Scirocco_S w/'85 Golf_//_GTI engine From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!nntp.crl.com!crl10.crl.com!not-for-mail Mon Dec 19 14:31:19 PST 1994 Article: 46054 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!nntp.crl.com!crl10.crl.com!not-for-mail From: jimbob@crl.com (James E Langston) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: '95 GTI/Sport CD Player Compatibility Date: 18 Dec 1994 11:35:48 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3d22uk$1ec@crl10.crl.com> References: <3ct7v6$760@risky.ecs.umass.edu> <3d099l$s32@newstand.syr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl10.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : The VW is essentially Panasonic, but modified to VW OEM specs. I just pulled the head unit from my '95 GTI-VR6 to put in a CD head unit, and the tape deck was a *CLARION* unit. The local VW rep here in Atlanta told me that they were currently using Clarion equipment for the head units, and same for the changers. I believe that it would be a good idea to pull the in-dash unit and check what brand you have, and if it is Clarion, then you could probably get away with buying a Clarion changer from your local audio dealer. I replaced the head unit with a Clarion 6540 CD head unit, and have been happy with the results. The head unit has four line out jacks, and thus I was able to use the slave amps mounted in the doors... Good luck... Jimbob From usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!kinky.eng.gtefsd.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews Wed Jan 11 09:05:43 PST 1995 Article: 47587 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!kinky.eng.gtefsd.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews From: Stress Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD out jack in [US] Golf /// Stereo Date: 10 Jan 1995 22:05:54 GMT Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse NY, USA Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3ev0c2$o6r@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3esg87$bd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cns10-162.syr.edu mbernier@aol.com (MBernier) wrote: > > >Has anyone used the 'CD out' jack in the stereo available in the U.S. > >model Golf/Jetta /// GL? I tried it out with a portable CD player using a > > There were several posts on this subject here some time ago. > It seems this is a common problem and several posted solutions....... Found this tidbit on rec.autos.tech where there is a thread on this very topic as we speak... ::I have also found that some Sony Diskmen have much less noise when they ::are run on lower DC voltage. Your car battery puts out as much as 15 V or ::more when charging. In addition to your filtering, it might be worth trying ::a 3 terminal regulator like a LM317 with good filter caps as well ::to drop down to the usual 9 V for the CD player. ::As far as boosting the output, a little audio 1:2 matching transformer ::should work fine since you do not need to boost the power, just the voltage. ::--- sam From usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!yale.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!kentfitz Wed Jan 11 09:06:34 PST 1995 Article: 47590 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!yale.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!kentfitz From: kentfitz@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Kent Fitzgerald (GD 1994)) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD out jack in [US] Golf /// Stereo Date: 10 Jan 1995 22:01:18 GMT Organization: Yale University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ev03e$fnh@news.ycc.yale.edu> References: <3eua5m$a0u@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> <3euk6n$5lf@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.cis.yale.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : > huh? what about for the electronics-impaired? is this "ignition noise" : > a high pitched whine upon acceleration? (kinda like a turbo?) The whine is the alternator, the sizzling noise is the ignition. Both change pitch with engine RPM. Most of the time, these noises result from a ground loop problem. The cure is to wire the stereo and the CD player (i.e. the cigarette lighter socket) to the same ground point, or plug a "ground loop isolator" in line with the CD input. -- Kent Fitzgerald kentfitz@minerva.cis.yale.edu Department of Psychology, Yale University From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl9.crl.com!not-for-mail Fri Jan 13 16:32:29 PST 1995 Article: 47825 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl9.crl.com!not-for-mail From: jimbob@crl.com (James E Langston) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: HELP! CD Changer Question Date: 12 Jan 1995 18:09:40 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3f4nd4$ink@crl9.crl.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: crl9.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Derek Demaree (jdemaree@world.std.com) wrote: : changers with the VW Premium stereo package made by Matsushita (Sp?). Is Before making any purchases, I would pull the head unit from the dash to check what brand it is. Apparently VW has used Panasonic, Matsushita (assuming your source is correct), and Clarion. My '95 GTI had a Clarion head unit, so the Clarion 6540 CD head unit was a drop-in replacement. My local VW rep indicated that the suppliers for the head unit vary widely, so make sure your check before making a potentially expensive mistake... Good luck, Jimbob From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Mon Jan 30 13:36:25 PST 1995 Article: 49504 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: CD Changer & "Premium" Au From: tom.neumann@canrem.com (Tom Neumann) Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Distribution: world Message-ID: <60.36472.4949.0N1CC7B7@canrem.com> References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 23:11:00 -0500 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Lines: 28 Leavitt@maclaw.law.cuny.edu (David Leavitt) writes: DL>For those of you who are interested, Panasonic confirmed that only the VW >CD changer will work with the factory "Premium" audio radio. DL>They recently tried to get generic Panasonic CD changers to operate with >the "Premium" audio with no luck. DL>The Panasonic Tech Service Center can be reached at 714.373.7500. And to anyone that wants to see reality: Please go to York Volkswagen in Weston (part of Metropolitan Toronto, Ontario, Canada) and see the Panasonic CD player working with the Premium (Panasonic made) Am/FM Cassette. Otherwise stop in at Kromer Radio in Downtown Toronto and they will be happy to install the Panasonic CD player for you. (On another note, the 95 Premium AM/FM cassette is *NOT* made by Panasonic, and I'm pretty sure the Panasonic CD changer will NOT work with that radio. The only way to tell the Panasonic from the new one is [without pulling the radio] is by the little "nib" on the front of the cassette door. The Panasonic doesn't have one, the new radio does.) Tom --- * 1st 1.11 #3720 * I sell Volkswagens (and soon Audi & Porsche!!!) From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!jmclaugh Thu Feb 2 12:37:55 PST 1995 Article: 49821 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!jmclaugh From: jmclaugh@bcars781.bnr.ca (James McLaughlin) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD Changer & "Premium" Au Date: 1 Feb 1995 18:28:05 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3gojrl$rg@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> References: <3glhij$t5l@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> <3glrcg$i17@crl10.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcars781.bnr.ca In article <3glrcg$i17@crl10.crl.com>, Chris King wrote: >Can you tell us the exact model number of your Panasonic changer and the >approximate price? Are the savings really worthwhile, or is it just as >good to go with the VW model? > >I'm looking to get a changer for my '94 Corrado SLC (which has the >"Premium" head unit), so I am investigating all of my options. My first >choice would be to get the factory unit that is controlled through the >"Premium" radio. My dealer sells these for around $500. This should really get put in a FAQ, as I have been through this too many times to remember. The changer is the Panasonic DP60. In Canada it sells for $399, and I have seen it in the US for $299. My auto sound dealer installed it for $60. It was a whole lot cheaper than the one from VW which sells for $799 here in Canada. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim McLaughlin - Bell Northern Research - (613) 765-3493 - jmclaugh@bnr.ca From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!satisfied.elf.com!wizard.pn.com!sundog.tiac.net!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!jslinder Thu Feb 2 13:21:14 PST 1995 Article: 49916 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!satisfied.elf.com!wizard.pn.com!sundog.tiac.net!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!jslinder From: jslinder@newstand.syr.edu (Josh Linder) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD Changer & "Premium" Au Date: 2 Feb 1995 07:34:10 GMT Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse NY, USA Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3gq1ti$7im@newstand.syr.edu> References: <60.36472.4949.0N1CC7B7@canrem.com> Reply-To: jslinder@cs.syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Tom Neumann (tom.neumann@canrem.com) wrote: : (On another note, the 95 Premium AM/FM cassette is *NOT* made by : Panasonic, and I'm pretty sure the Panasonic CD changer will NOT work : with that radio. The only way to tell the Panasonic from the new one : is [without pulling the radio] is by the little "nib" on the front of : the cassette door. The Panasonic doesn't have one, the new radio does.) The '95 Premium Audio is made by Clarion Electronics; the eject button is wider, the faceplate is more rounded, and there is a different feel to the turn knobs. Also, the eject sequence is much faster. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- josh linder 94 passat glx skylink limited, inc. - computer consulting services ========================================================================== From usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail Thu Feb 2 13:21:43 PST 1995 Article: 49923 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: chubbard@ARL.MIL (Clifford Hubbard, Mister) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Premo CD Changer Date: 1 Feb 1995 19:59:56 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 17 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9502020159.aa24753@ADMII.ARL.MIL> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu I have been doing a little bit of research into Panasonic CD changers and VW Premium Sound head units by Matsushita. I have spoken to both Kromer Radio in Toronto as well as Matsushita Tech Support. Kromer is able to install the CXDP60EU 6 Disc changer in my 95 Golf /// for about $550 Canadian. This is great except for the fact that I live in Maryland, USA:) Also, they only sell the unit installed:( What I did learn from them was that the alteration they do to fit the changer to the head unit involve adapting the 8 pin Din plug of the changer to a 10 pin "molex" plug that fits in the back of the head unit. The two pins missing from the are for the left and right woofer speakers. I am trying to get a schematic of the din plug to see how the wires might line up. Panasonic wanted $12 dollars for the DP60 manuel. They did not say whether that info was include in the book. Would anybody be familiar with molex plugs? Perhaps I have misspelled it. Also what could be done about the missing woofer pins? Any advice on making this conversion would be greatly appreciated... Cliff Hubbard chubbard@arl.mil From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Feb 18 10:34 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25720; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 10:34:54 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HN6WWHCH0W00HRH9@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA07348 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 10:29:21 -0800 Received: from mailhost.primenet.com (root@mailhost.primenet.com [198.68.32.50]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07334 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 10:29:16 -0800 Received: from ariff.lax.primenet.com (ariff.lax.primenet.com [198.68.36.148]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14643 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:29:12 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:29:12 -0700 From: ariff@ariff.lax.primenet.com (Ariff) Subject: Re: Upgrade your stereo lately? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: ariff@mailhost.primenet.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199502181829.LAA14643@mailhost.primenet.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >To all Corrado owners, has your stock stereo been sufficient for your >listening pleasure? I am inquiring about the range of the speakers, in >particular the bass produced. My understanding is that Corrados have >four 4" speakers and two 4"x6" speakers (source: Crutchfield). This >would appear to be deficient in the bass that some of the more popular >modern music has. >So my question is: Who has added any subwoofers to their stereo, and >are they still stock or upgraded aftermarket systems? If you did add on >subwoofers, was it a Bazooka styled tube or a full size box? (I will >assume available space was a big factor in your decision. Also, are you >pleased with your decision to upgrade your system. > >If you want, you can e-mail me at: ind01682@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu >in order to keep unwanted traffic down to a minimum. Thank you in advance. > >============================================================================ >== Christopher E. Antalek == Nothing is impossible! It just may == >== Aerospace Engineer UCF == take longer or cost more than expected. == >============================================================================ > > > Well, I'm planning on upgrading my stereo in the near future.. I know a guy who is *EXTREMELY* knowledgable in car stereos and their installation. I told him that I wanted to change the head unit to something with a CD player (and of course it had to light up green:) and get more bass. Not a booming that you hear when you see low riders, but something that was all around good sounding with alot of bass when turned up loud. I wanted to keep weight down, and keep the space under the hatch.. that means no boxes, no tubes.. and I also wanted to spend around $600 (okay for him since he gets wholesale). Anyway, this is what we decided on. I'm going with an Alpine head unit with CD. As for the speakers... all the stock speakers stay. He'll be adding two Infinity or Polk 6x9's to the rear deck (hope it's strong enough) a 3x80watt amp (I think) where 2 channels will feed the 6x9's and the last channel (or two maybe) will feed the remaining stock speakers. Now because the stock speakers suck (for bass at least) he's also adding an electronic crossover to send all the lows to the 6x9's and all the highs to the stock speakers. He guarantees that they'll sound 10 times better with no bass going to them. I've been in his honda accord with a similar setup, all the factory speakers with added 6x9's an amp and crossover and it sounds amazing for not having changed the factory speakers... extremely loud and the Infinity 6x9's handle the bass very well. _________________________________________________________________ ariff@ariff.lax.primenet.com carpe diem From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Feb 20 22:15 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19447; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:15:05 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HNADX01NG000AK2S@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA01292 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:09:45 -0800 Received: from casbah.acns.nwu.edu (daemon@casbah.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.52]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA01277 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:09:39 -0800 Received: from aragorn171.acns.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.11/20.3) id AA152876973; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:09:33 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:09:33 -0600 From: stlho@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Simon T. Ho) Subject: Re: Upgrade your stereo lately? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: stlho@casbah.acns.nwu.edu To: corrado-l@teleport.com Cc: ind01682@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199502210609.AA152876973@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >>To all Corrado owners, has your stock stereo been sufficient for your >>listening pleasure? I am inquiring about the range of the speakers, in >>particular the bass produced. My understanding is that Corrados have >>four 4" speakers and two 4"x6" speakers (source: Crutchfield). This >>would appear to be deficient in the bass that some of the more popular >>modern music has. >>So my question is: Who has added any subwoofers to their stereo, and >>are they still stock or upgraded aftermarket systems? If you did add on >>subwoofers, was it a Bazooka styled tube or a full size box? (I will >>assume available space was a big factor in your decision. Also, are you >>pleased with your decision to upgrade your system. I currently have an Alpine deck (forgot the model but it was pretty top), an Alpine 6 disc changer, set of MB Quart speakers: 2 tweeters + 4 midrange, an 8" powered Bazooka tube and a 2x40 PPI amp. The amp drives the 2 tweeters and the 2 midranges in the front and the deck drives the 2 rear speakers. Without the Bazooka, the bass is seriously lacking! The Corrado is very difficult to get good sound into because the original speaker wells aren't very large (especially to 2 rear ones) and the small trunk and hatchback style makes it really difficult to place bass boxes. I think, and I still believe so, that the best way to get bass is to get a Bazooka tube. I got the amplified one because my amp only had 2 channels. Anyhow, the system sounds great. The MB Quarts really do a great job on the high end and mid ranges and the Bazooka gives the low end a big (and I mean it!) boost. Simon Ho stlho@casbah.acns.nwu.edu BTW, Alpine has a decent 4 channel amp called V12 if you're interested. It's desgined to power everything from just one amp, including subwoofers. The corrado really lacks space to have a couple of amps lying around. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Feb 20 05:03 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23368; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 05:03:19 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HN9DWAL2SG00JCYX@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 05:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA24677 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:58:48 -0800 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA24668 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:58:44 -0800 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA292705092; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 07:58:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 07:58:12 -0500 From: BlackVWG60@aol.com Subject: Re: Upgrade your stereo lately? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <950220075811_26766992@aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I've got 6x9s installed on my rear deck and there doesn't seem to be any problem with the weight of them. It sounds great too. The only power they get is from my head unit which is a 20x4 Sony tape deck. I must admit that the front speakers are stock and are really kind of mushy. I'm interested to know what people have replaced those with. E S Triplett };^)' From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Mar 17 05:56 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA10539; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:56:12 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HO8CZBPJ28004IN5@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id FAA07666 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:35 -0800 Received: from gate.ti.com (news.ti.com [192.94.94.33]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA07658 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:31 -0800 Received: from lesol1.dseg.ti.com ([128.247.231.86]) by gate.ti.com (8.6.10/) with ESMTP id HAA18453 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 07:33:59 -0600 Received: from flsol1.dseg.ti.com (flsol1.dseg.ti.com [128.247.227.182]) by lesol1.dseg.ti.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA06332 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 07:33:18 -0600 Received: by flsol1.dseg.ti.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21518; Fri, 17 Mar 95 07:33:18 CST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 07:33:18 -0600 (CST) From: fzr600@flsol1.dseg.ti.com (oliver liu) Subject: Re: Radio Installation... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503171333.AA21518@flsol1.dseg.ti.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO \I have an SLC, this system is similar to the G60s, all amplification is in the Head unit. mine is (I think) listed at 100 - 120 watts. It doesn't sound anywhere close to that. I priced out an a/d/s-Sony system a while ago, wiring the head isn;t a major problem, and if you want to stick with stocked sized replacement speakers, they're easy too. The a/d/s speakers were far better than anything else I ave ever listened to (IMHO), they are a step above MB quart and the like. -Oliver From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sun Mar 19 00:52 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04334; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:52:33 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOAUZFYFTS001G76@UG.EDS.COM>; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id AAA15242 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:39:52 -0800 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com (johnny5@netcom16.netcom.com [192.100.81.129]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA15236 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:39:48 -0800 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id AAA26676; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:38:34 -0800 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:38:34 -0800 (PST) From: John Leipsic Subject: Re: Radio Installation... In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sun, 19 Mar 1995, Alex Lewin wrote: > > It's easy to just pop in new speakers for the front and back, and does > > make a difference in sound quality. > > John, any recommendations on brands? I'd say go with your ears. There's been some good suggestions on the list, as well. I have some Sonys up front, and some speakers called "thumpers" in back. Here's a mod for the strong of heart: Cut into the rear deck lid and place two 8" speakers directly mounted into the lid. You know, the thing that swings up and down when you open the hatch. The trunk space provides a perfect speaker enclosure. Then, unclip the factory rear deck speakers, and place some unclippable connectors between the factory wires and the new speakers. That way, you can unclip the speakers in the rear deck lid and remove the lid for cargo space when needed. I admit I didn't do this myself, I have trouble cutting on a car. Another one I credit previous owner #2. But it sure sounds great. The Germans have this one down to an art too. In the D & W catalog, there are replacement rear deck lids already custom fitted with huge speaker arrays, just ready for substitution of the factory lid. I only saw them for Golfs and such. But the idea is the same. They use another amp in the hatch to drive these monster speaker banks. See ya'all, John From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Mar 18 19:32 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24791; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:32:51 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOAJT26X34002GK1@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA11642 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:21:10 -0800 Received: from Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM [192.9.9.64]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA11630 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:21:06 -0800 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA15285; Sat, 18 Mar 95 19:21:05 PST Received: from uffda.eng.sun.com (uffda-223.Eng.Sun.COM) by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA13531; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:21:01 -0800 Received: from homebuddy by uffda.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id TAA01647; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:21:05 -0800 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:20:45 -0800 (PST) From: John DeStefano Subject: Re: Radio Installation... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO -} No kidding, 5.25"? Crutchfield says that our Corrados use 4" speakers in the -} fronts and dash, and 4x6" in the rears. So the 5.25" actually fits on the -} brackets? What size do you have in the hatch? I double checked and it is 5.25" speakers I replaced the Aktiv speaker/amp combininations with. I originally ordered 4" (not 3.5"--oops) speakers from Crutchfield and found that they would fit nicely in the door amplifiers which I was getting rid of. I found Crutchfield has a decent return policy. The hatch speakers were 4x6 with mountings for European cars. It sounded like Mercedes and VW used similar speakers in their dash. The Bostons were a little deeper than the stock speakers and they just fit. -} >From looking through the service manual it looked '93 SLC had the -} >amp. integrated into the head unit. No more Aktiv system I guess. -} Anyone figure out if '93 Corrado have the Aktiv system? Someone told me that -} it -} does, but I'm not sure. I also re-checked the Bentley manual and it shows that in the '92 model year that the hatch and dash speakers are driven from the door amplifiers. I guess it would explain why there isn't a fader on the head. For '93 the amplifiers are gone. The front tweater/woofer combination and the "rear speakers" all go to the head. John '92 SLC From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Mar 18 17:58 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23622; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:58:20 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOAGIV84GG003PJQ@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA00485 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:43:44 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (johnny5@netcom7.netcom.com [192.100.81.115]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00474 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:43:40 -0800 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id RAA05568; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:42:27 -0800 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:42:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Leipsic Subject: Re: Radio Installation... In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 17 Mar 1995, Richard N. Hurt wrote: > First: I know the system is high powered (??watts??) but where is the > amp: In the head? In the door speakers? In all the speakers? Seperate > and mounted in an unknown location? The amp for the front dash speakers and rear hatch speakers is in the head unit. The door speakers have their own amp or some strange electronic panel that adjusts their frequency. It's easy to just pop in new speakers for the front and back, and does make a difference in sound quality. John From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Mar 20 08:39 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA13982; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:39:13 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOCPKC35YO003YVI@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA00569 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:19:05 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA00456 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:17:45 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.10/2.2) id QAA21999; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:10:50 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:10:50 -40975532 (CST) From: "Steven M. Kosloske" Subject: Re: Corrado Radio In-Reply-To: <9503200914.AA16985@csupomona.edu> from "lwu2@csupomona.edu" at Mar 20, 95 01:17:53 am Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199503201610.QAA21999@mixcom.mixcom.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1202 Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > Date sent: 20-MAR-1995 > > > > Oaky, since we had that confusing discussion on the Aktiv system, now I'm > confused. It seems now that the'93 has a different head and no Aktiv system, > versus the 92's. Now my question is....Will the Panasonic DP60 changer work in > the '93 Corrado Head Unit? > > > The G60 Corrado's had the Aktiv system, it should have the "AKTIV" label on the door speakers. The head unit drives the dash and rear speakers, the door speakers have amps. I don't think the door amps work well with other speakers. Crutchfield reports the wrong size for the Corrado. Perhaps someone should call and notify them. The dash speakers are 3.5", door speakers are 5.25", the rear decks are 4x6" European mount. (only difference is where holes are, 4x6 generic speakers should fit) The later Corrado's (93 on) changed the system. They had the CD option, and I think all 6 speakers are driven from the head unit. -- (Steve Kosloske) | ------------------------------------| "There is only one good, knowledge I-net: Steven.Kosloske@mixcom.com | and one evil, ignorance." - `90 Corrado G60 | Socrates From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Mar 21 15:22 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA16930; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:22:01 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOEHWXUCCG004X9P@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA23984 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:22:11 -0800 Received: from emp1.emp.state.or.us ([199.2.178.200]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23871 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:21:47 -0800 Received: from [199.2.178.35] by emp1.emp.state.or.us (5.65/1.35) id AA15406; Tue, 21 Mar 95 14:32:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:32:43 -0800 From: schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us (Todd Schwartz) Subject: Premium Stereo Adapter Box II Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503212232.AA15406@emp1.emp.state.or.us> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Just a clarification, the adapter box being developed by Peripherals in San Diego would allow a "hard wire link" to the factory unit, allowing you to (yes, it's true) run the changer off the factory unit, in the same manner you would run a VW cd changer........I was not talking about a FM modulator....or something available through Crutchfield. As far as I know, this is the first product available which would allow this... Also, speaking of Crutchfield, they now offer Pioneer sub-woofers that fit in your spare tire rim! And there is a small (smallest I've ever seen) Pioneer sub-woofer that is made to fit in pick-ups but could work equally well in the hatch of a Corrado. I'll curious to see how these units perform. If anyone gets one, please let the list know how it works. Todd '93 VR6 SLC (Flash Red/Black Leather) schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us \\\\\\ (; <> - -_-- \ _\ - ___ ) \ / < = = => = = => = = = => -- __---- -- ) > \ / - - _-- )___ \ ,-------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PRAY FOR WIND...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Mar 21 12:28 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA12823; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:28:24 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOEBUQQESW004J9A@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA23497 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:06:22 -0800 Received: from emp1.emp.state.or.us ([199.2.178.200]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA23439 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:06:09 -0800 Received: from [199.2.178.35] by emp1.emp.state.or.us (5.65/1.35) id AA15084; Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:16:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:16:53 -0800 From: schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us (Todd Schwartz) Subject: Adapters for Premium Stereo Systems Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503212016.AA15084@emp1.emp.state.or.us> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Corrado Heads & Sam: O.K. I scanned the VW stereo thread Jan sent in (BTW - Thanks, Jan!) and didn't see any specific mention of this possibility.... A company in San Diego called Peripherals (sp?) specializes in making adapters to link factory steroe systems with after market cd changers. I don't have their number but my contact at the local steroe shop--"Hear No Evil" (great name, eh?) called them this morning and they said they have just completed work on an adapter for a '93 Corrado (I assume this means it will work with all VW Premium stereo systems). They plan to test it during the next two weeks and then presumably it will be available. I asked the guys at Hear No Evil to call me when its available. I write the list then with info on how to get the adapter. Todd '93 VR6 SLC (Flash Red/Black Leather) schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us \\\\\\ (; <> - -_-- \ _\ - ___ ) \ / < = = => = = => = = = => -- __---- -- ) > \ / - - _-- )___ \ ,-------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PRAY FOR WIND...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Mar 21 19:30 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22613; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:30:01 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOEQL8LJDC005079@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA28004 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:14:23 -0800 Received: from miasun.med.miami.edu (miasun.med.miami.edu [129.171.64.3]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA27986 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:14:16 -0800 Received: from newssun.med.miami.edu by miasun.med.miami.edu (4.1/4.1-rrossie) id AA24609; Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:18:19 EST Received: by newssun.med.miami.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11713; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:14:03 +0500 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:14:02 -0500 (EST) From: mszlabow@newssun.med.miami.edu (Michal Szlabowicz - Med Student) Subject: Stereo stuff Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503220314.AA11713@newssun.med.miami.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 2080 Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, With all this talk of Stereo stuff, I thought that I'd put in my $0.02 worth. The reason to change the main unit (at least for me) was to have an in-dash CD player that CONTROLS the changer, if I ever wanted to get one. The reson being that, for me just 6/10 or 12 discs is not enought, and if I am just going on a short drive, and feel like playing something specific, I just grab the JEWEL BOX, and go...I used to hang out in a local car-stereo shop, since I the owner was one of my friends, and saw many people that thouth that they would never get bored of the discs in the changer, and if they did, they could just put in a different cartridge...This plays havoc with any order you might have in your CD collection, since you have empty JEWEL cases, discs in the magazine, and so forth....So, needless to say, I just have an indash ALPINE cd player with the ability to add on a changer if I ever wanted to... Speakers....buy the best sounding speaker that you can afford, especially for the front and all hopefully from the same speaker company so you get similar tonal quality form all speakers...And as far as subs go, you can do much better by going with a custom built enclosure designed by a good car stereo shop, that will fit where you want it to (I saw the wheelwell idea 1st about 6 years ago in my friends car) and it will sound much better than anything that Pioneer, Bazooka or anybody else put together out of inferior parts... Just look at the woofer itself.... As far as amplification...throw away the whole AKIV or whatever you might have on the car, and get a good amp....Not 250 watts per channel made in Korea amplifier, but a realistically rated AMERICAN (best in high end components-not speakers) or Japanese...You will be amazed by what real 20 watts per channel will do... Got to run, Mike mszlabow@newssun.med.miami.edu p.s. If you have any questions about what I personally like as far as stereo brands just ask me, and I'll be happy to give you my recommendations.. The Corrado, it's not just a car, it's a Volkswagen... From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Mar 28 09:05 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09638; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:05:03 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HONWSPCSIO005ENX@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA04705 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:36:46 -0800 Received: from csupomona.edu (dns.is.csupomona.edu [134.71.220.15]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA04673 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:36:37 -0800 Received: by csupomona.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA07818; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:32:51 -0800 Received: from clstac.dnet by dns.dnet; Tue, 28 Mar 95 08:35:42 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:35:42 -0800 (PST) From: lwu2@csupomona.edu Subject: radio Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503281632.AA07818@csupomona.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Date sent: 28-MAR-1995 There is no way the the Panasonic DP-60 changer can work with the Premium tape deck without an adapter. The connecters are totally different. The Changer has a clock (kinda like the keyboard) and rca outputs, while the premium Matsushita head has a standard car plug input. oooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOO Lawrence Wu Email: LWU2@CSUpomona.edu Black VW Corrado SLC "Quick!!! To the Batmobile!" OOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOooo From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Mar 21 19:30 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22613; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:30:01 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOEQL8LJDC005079@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA28004 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:14:23 -0800 Received: from miasun.med.miami.edu (miasun.med.miami.edu [129.171.64.3]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA27986 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:14:16 -0800 Received: from newssun.med.miami.edu by miasun.med.miami.edu (4.1/4.1-rrossie) id AA24609; Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:18:19 EST Received: by newssun.med.miami.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11713; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:14:03 +0500 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:14:02 -0500 (EST) From: mszlabow@newssun.med.miami.edu (Michal Szlabowicz - Med Student) Subject: Stereo stuff Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503220314.AA11713@newssun.med.miami.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 2080 Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, With all this talk of Stereo stuff, I thought that I'd put in my $0.02 worth. The reason to change the main unit (at least for me) was to have an in-dash CD player that CONTROLS the changer, if I ever wanted to get one. The reson being that, for me just 6/10 or 12 discs is not enought, and if I am just going on a short drive, and feel like playing something specific, I just grab the JEWEL BOX, and go...I used to hang out in a local car-stereo shop, since I the owner was one of my friends, and saw many people that thouth that they would never get bored of the discs in the changer, and if they did, they could just put in a different cartridge...This plays havoc with any order you might have in your CD collection, since you have empty JEWEL cases, discs in the magazine, and so forth....So, needless to say, I just have an indash ALPINE cd player with the ability to add on a changer if I ever wanted to... Speakers....buy the best sounding speaker that you can afford, especially for the front and all hopefully from the same speaker company so you get similar tonal quality form all speakers...And as far as subs go, you can do much better by going with a custom built enclosure designed by a good car stereo shop, that will fit where you want it to (I saw the wheelwell idea 1st about 6 years ago in my friends car) and it will sound much better than anything that Pioneer, Bazooka or anybody else put together out of inferior parts... Just look at the woofer itself.... As far as amplification...throw away the whole AKIV or whatever you might have on the car, and get a good amp....Not 250 watts per channel made in Korea amplifier, but a realistically rated AMERICAN (best in high end components-not speakers) or Japanese...You will be amazed by what real 20 watts per channel will do... Got to run, Mike mszlabow@newssun.med.miami.edu p.s. If you have any questions about what I personally like as far as stereo brands just ask me, and I'll be happy to give you my recommendations.. The Corrado, it's not just a car, it's a Volkswagen... From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Mar 29 07:34 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA01979; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 07:34:28 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOP7WEM10W0063H8@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 07:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id HAA20419 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 07:21:11 -0800 Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (root@mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA20408 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 07:21:06 -0800 Received: from .interramp.com (ip67.herndon2.va.interramp.com [38.11.2.67]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id KAA25013 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:20:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:20:53 -0500 From: catanf@rpi.edu (Francesco Catanzaro) Subject: Thanks. Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: catanf@mail1.its.rpi.edu To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199503291520.KAA25013@mail1.its.rpi.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well, Thank You all for the information. I have some magazine subscribing to do. Just to put my two cents in: I designed a preamp/input module that fits right in the ashtray of my 1992 SLC. I will be using it to attach my portable CD player directly to the AKTIV speaker amplifier, bypassing the radio. There is also a switch that switches this scheme on or off, so you can use your regular tape player. This gizmo is discreet, and provided you do not need the ashtray to smoke, it robs no space. Also the sound quality achieved is superior to using one of those ugly and cumbersome cassette to CD adapters. Also, there is a fader in the ashtray for f/r. This is not really specific to Corrados, except in the sense that this is one of the few cars where the amps are not factory built into the radios. I can mail schematics on how to mod your car to fit this nicely. It is a middle of the road solution to actually putting an in-dash unit, and everything will cost about $10. I'll be adding a slelctable voltage output, so that I can use different devices with it. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Mar 29 14:56 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14191; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:56:00 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOPNBSOF7K004A4M@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA21239 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:33:57 -0800 Received: from cpdsc.com (sun001.cpdsc.com [198.4.54.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA21206 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:33:48 -0800 Received: from sun004.cpdsc.com by cpdsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23734; Wed, 29 Mar 95 15:32:49 CST Received: from pc010.CPDSC.COM (pce010) by sun004.cpdsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12062; Wed, 29 Mar 95 15:33:26 CST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:42:01 -0600 (CST) From: djones@sun004.cpdsc.com Subject: Re: Heidelberg Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503292142.0147AC@pc010.CPDSC.COM> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: SelectMAIL 1.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >From: lwu2@csupomona.edu >Date: 29 Mar 95 >Subject: Re: Stripped Corrado >To: corrado-l@teleport.com >>Can someone tell me what brand is Heidelberg? Is it an European company or >>something? Is it good(better than Sony, Panasonic, Alpine?)? I am getting a 93 >>corrado vr6 soon and it has the Heidelberg player in it... > >>John Lai. >> Soon to be the owner of a 93 Corrado vr6 > >I hate the damn thing because the CD changer costs $500US. But it's decent. I >wish it had a line out. Or does it? It's a Matsushita thing, so it's a >Panasonic in a sense. > To elaborate a little more Heidelberg is the model name of the stereo, named after the city. The VW stereos used to be manufactured by Blaupunkt thats where VW got the convention of naming the stereos after citys, Blaupunkt still does this. Now many of the VW stereos, including the Hiedelberg, are made by Matsushita Corp. japan. Matsushita is a gigantic conglomerate company that makes the Panasonic and JVC brands, as well as manufacturing many complete products for other name brands. I was once told by a electronics technician that about half of all the VCR name brands are actually made by matsushita. I believe the stereo and the AC compressor are the only Japanese assemblies on the Corrados. ====================================================================== Doug Jones 91 Corrado G60 ...Black auto/roof/cd/mats djones@cpdsc.com 81 Scirocco S ...Silver nothing doug.jones@chrysalis.org djones64@aol.com Dallas, Texas oooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOO Lawrence Wu Email: LWU2@CSUpomona.edu Black VW Corrado SLC "Quick!!! To the Batmobile!" OOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOooo From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Mar 30 12:44 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA06207; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 12:44:14 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOQX0SU5PS006C9G@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 12:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA16386 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 12:17:43 -0800 Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (root@mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA16378 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 12:17:39 -0800 Received: from .interramp.com (ip56.herndon2.va.interramp.com [38.11.2.56]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id PAA28540 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:17:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:17:25 -0500 From: catanf@rpi.edu (Francesco Catanzaro) Subject: Radio Mods Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: catanf@mail1.its.rpi.edu To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199503302017.PAA28540@mail1.its.rpi.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well, I didn't think there was going to be so much demand for the schematics I offered. They are a little messy so I will clean them up and post them at a TBD FTP site or WEB site. I should have it ready by Monday or Tuesday. I will let everybody know where this will be at. For the time being, here is a starting exercise: The hardest (or most annoying) part is routing a wire from the radio compartment to the ashtray compartment. Punching holes is not fun or easy around this area. Anyhow, get 8 conductor shielded wire and route it through. This is 50% of the work right there. This will keep everyone busy until I can scan and post my mods. Also, you might want to buy some parts to start with: A 4PDT Relay from RS (12 volt, make sure!), a small spst or spdt toggle an LED of your choice, 330Ohm resistor. RCA Jacks (or 1/8", your choice) 2- 100k Stereo Volume potentiometers. This is all from Radio Shock. The other part which might be bothersome is if you don't have PCB building experience, it might be a pain to make the preamp part. If you have a high enough output from your CD player, you may not need this, but I haven't tried without it yet. I will post wiring schematics and preamp parts list ASAP... Later, Francesco Catanzaro 1992 SLC From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Apr 6 14:12 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11281; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:12:10 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HP0RRHMPOW006EMQ@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 06 Apr 1995 13:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA24698 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 13:57:32 -0700 Received: from rfd.oit.umass.edu (rfd.oit.umass.edu [128.119.175.3]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA24680 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 13:57:26 -0700 Received: from phobos.oit.umass.edu by rfd.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #6523) id <01HP0XY656B400KKGT@rfd.oit.umass.edu>; Thu, 06 Apr 1995 16:57:21 -0400 Received: from phobos.oit.umass.edu by phobos.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #6523) id <01HP0XXV4CAOBWAOOV@phobos.oit.umass.edu>; Thu, 06 Apr 1995 16:56:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 16:56:48 -0400 From: Nathan Winters Subject: Stereo setup Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <01HP0XXVEZMABWAOOV@phobos.oit.umass.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Vms-To: IN%"corrado-l@teleport.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >> >> Is matsushita better than sony? >> >Certainly as good as a mid level SONY but frankly I placed >my SONY 5600 head unit (top of the line 4 or 5 years ago, >Dolby B, C, amorphous head, etc) with 10 disk changer in > I have a Sony head unit, an XR7500 it also has Dolby B, C, amorphous head (whatever that is). It isn't powered so I have it running the front fader to an Alpine 60w amp that powers the six Corrado stock speakers. The bass is turned all the way down so virtually no base comes out of these speakers. The rear fader from the head unit runs to a Rockford Fosgate 75w bridged amp that powers a 10" bass tube. With this setup the stock speakers have a light load and sound great with just the highs and the bass tube provides more than enough clean bass. The setup also has a Sony 10 disk changer, CDXA100. I am more than happy with this setup. It's great for all kinds of music. Duran Duran, Police, classic rock to techno, everything sound very clean. nwinters@student.umass.edu '90 Yellow G60 From bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews Thu Apr 6 17:52:20 PDT 1995 Article: 3502 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B9 05/16/94 VAX/VMS V1.5; site bbs.ug.eds.com Path: bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: [w] Good Stereo Installs Message-ID: <3lt1sp$4v7@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> From: Marek_gh@ix.netcom.com (Gerald Marek) Date: 5 Apr 1995 03:13:29 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Netcom NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-atl2-07.ix.netcom.com Lines: 31 In <3lj8b2$68j@newsbf02.news.aol.com> racertodd@aol.com (RacerTodd) writes: > >kwatson@wv.mentorg.com (Keith Watson) writes: > >>Has anybody in the group installed a stereo in a water cooled car >>and competed with it? Or does anybody just have an audiophile >>install? I'm interested in learning what people have done with >>there systems to get the most improvement in sound quality. So >>here are a couple of questions. >>Where have you placed sound deadening material which makes the >>most improvement? >>Where did you place the front speaker separates and where did >>you aim them? Also, how did you mount them? I have a '90 Corrado. I am a big Quart fan - I think for the $$$ they are the best speakers out there. They have a stealth set of speakers, which mount the tweeter on top of a midrange / midbass speaker. I used the 4 1/2 and tweeter stealth combo in the top speaker location (window) and mounted their 5 1/4 woofer (no tweeter) in the provided door hole. I then mounted their 6 1/2 stealth combo in a fiberglass box (very small) in the rear 4 x 6 hole. I belive that mounting the speakers in the factory location is the way to go. A center channel is hidden in the defroster air vent. Sounds great, while it still looks stock. All is driven by an eclipse 415 / Eclipse 10 in custom box and a High current amp (oops forgott the name). You want your tweeter to be on the same plane and close to a major speaker. That really helps immaging. Try going with the stealth Quart sets. They have sounded great in every application I have ever heard. Also more power is not the answer, but rather get a clear amp with much headroom. Gerald '90 Corrado From bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!not-for-mail Thu Apr 6 18:34:56 PDT 1995 Article: 3656 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B9 05/16/94 VAX/VMS V1.5; site bbs.ug.eds.com Path: bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado audio system Message-ID: <3lugrd$2936@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca> From: whquek@acs.ucalgary.ca (Wei Hsiung Quek) Date: 5 Apr 1995 10:34:53 -0600 References: <3lp3t0$n54@news.duke.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary NNTP-Posting-Host: acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca Lines: 26 best bet is to go with a proper cd or cassette player that controls a changer. these sets are not that expensive anymore. fm modulation is a fantastic idea but when you get close to a station that broadcasts in or around the frequency of your cd changer fm modulator, expect to find a lot of noise. some fm modulators come with controls that let you switch the frequency but that could be a lot of hassle. besides, you get cleaner sound if you do it with a cd / cassette player with changer controller. it's not that expensive anymore and the sound quality topples the heidelberg by far! yes, the mb quarts are fantastic speakers and work very well. problem is, on corrados, the door openings are so small that fitting a 5.25" driver would be a big task. solution is to build a fibreglass kickpanel that could house the tweets and mids on the same plane for optimum imaging. everything boils down to how much you want to pay. if you ever get mb quarts, make sure you get the competition crossovers--they are much better than the one that came in the box. Wei Quek 90 G60 From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Apr 7 15:10 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02464; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:10:00 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HP283O3CCW00920H@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 07 Apr 1995 14:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id KAA26846 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:06:51 -0700 Received: from amcc.com (ftp.amcc.com [192.195.69.101]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA26523 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:05:46 -0700 Received: from wedge.amcc.com by amcc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12385; Fri, 7 Apr 95 10:01:34 PDT Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 10:05:37 -0700 (PDT) From: rich@amcc.com Subject: VW Audio Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com (Corrado list) Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9504071701.AA12385@amcc.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hey all, I had some time so I went to the ftp site and got the VW audio note here are some relavent portions (ftp.lap.umd.edu cd /Public/vw_archives) ne tip: When using separates in the front of the Corrado the Mids and Tweets are quite a ways apart (when the tweet is in the factory dash spkr location), I've been told that reversing the phase on the tweeter (swapping the positive and negative leads) will give you a better phasing of the front speakers. Another thought, I bet the changer would be more resistant to skipping if it was mounted in a more solid location (back of seat, corner of trunk, etc.). I DID it! The door panel comes off by: 1. Open the door 2. remove all the screws around the perimeter of the door. 3. pull the plastic cover off of the interior door panel. 4. remove the screws in the handle. 5. remove the plastic cover near the side mirror. 6. pull of the door panel 7. remove the metal baffle. 8. Voila! Door speaker! rganization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Lines: 26 Robert M. Briber writes: RR>The premium radio that VW has been making for a few years now can >control a trunk mounted CD changer. Both parts are made by >Panasonic but they are designed to work with eachother and not with >other Panasonic parts. In other words an off the shelf Panasonic CD >changer will not work with the VW head unit. There has been some >discussion of this on the net and one person even hooked a system >up. The VW head unit would operate the Panasonic changer with >limited funcionality but the >head unit did not display correctly as to what the changer was doing >or where you where (i.e. which CD/which track). At our dealership, we have a local stereo store that installs the Panasonic model DP60. (This is a six-disc changer.) I don't know if they have to do any modifications to the wiring, but it installs and works perfectly with the VW supplied Premium AM/FM Cassette. All the functions work correctly and the display reports all the proper info (CD, track, etc.) We sell the unit installed for $600.00 (Canadian $). If anyone finds a stock non-VW changer that works with the VW > head unit, or a solution to the update problem described above, > I'd be very interested in knowing. The CX DP60 works fine with the VW Premium Cassette. If you are up in Toronto I'll show it to you working just fine;if you want to have one installed we'll do it for $600 Canadian plus tax (15%). If you or anyone else want to arrange this please call me at (416)741-7480 Tom Neumann York Volkswagen 1950 Wilson Ave. Weston, Ontario <---- this is in Metropolitan Toronto M9M 1B2 By the way, if you didn't see the thread a while back the Panasonic CX DP-60 six pack CD changer very definatly can be made to work properly in every respect with the Volkswagen Premium AM/FM Cassette with CD changer. I've sold a few and we have one running at the dealership to show people. I spoke with the installer, and while he didn't tell me exactly what they had to do to adapt it, he told me that it was just a matter of getting the wires right. He had an adapter that just routed the wires properly. Tom Please go to York Volkswagen in Weston (part of Metropolitan Toronto, Ontario, Canada) and see the Panasonic CD player working with the Premium (Panasonic made) Am/FM Cassette. Otherwise stop in at Kromer Radio in Downtown Toronto and they will be happy to install the Panasonic CD player for you. (On another note, the 95 Premium AM/FM cassette is *NOT* made by Panasonic, and I'm pretty sure the Panasonic CD changer will NOT work with that radio. The only way to tell the Panasonic from the new one is [without pulling the radio] is by the little "nib" on the front of the cassette door. The Panasonic doesn't have one, the new radio does.) Hope this helps if someone in the Toronto area is inclined to check this out keep us posted. -Ric From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Apr 11 14:43 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03495; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:43:37 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HP7SOL94CG007VCT@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA14417 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:26:25 -0700 Received: from ids.net (ids.net [155.212.1.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA14387 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:26:14 -0700 Received: from [155.212.90.116] by 155.212.90.116 with SMTP; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 17:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:26:14 -0700 From: KBRISSON@ids.net (K