From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!hookup!metrics.com!tomh Thu May 26 12:07:52 PDT 1994 Article: 32208 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!hookup!metrics.com!tomh From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) Subject: Re: [w] Pull out radios: was Re: VW Golf Sound System References: <1994May12.172302.29857@news.yale.edu> <2qu2j3$eot@lynx.unm.edu> <1994May13.162426.7711@news.yale.edu> <2r0jap$kt4@lynx.unm.edu> Organization: Software Metrics Inc. Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 02:10:39 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 20 jan@camhpp12.ug.eds.com (Jan Vandenbrande) writes: > VW changed that molding design over the years, and between similar models. > As I have discovered with radiators, you don't really know what you have > got until you pull it out. Actually they didn't *really* change it. All German and Mexican-production A2 cars had the faceplate with a removable molding around the radio opening, while with the US-produced cars the radio surround is part of the faceplate. Check your dashboard -- it's quite easy to tell. And if you have the German/Mexican faceplate, Blaupunkt sells a cheap (!) mounting kit which lets you fit one of their decks in very nicely. (It's hard with the stock part, since most of the Blaupunkts protrude a fair distance from the dashboard.) -- [ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ] [ "it is not enough to have a good mind. ] [ the main thing is to use it well." -- rene descartes ] From lynx.unm.edu!fmsrl7!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!bohemia!kirstein Mon Dec 20 10:15:58 PST 1993 Article: 24405 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!fmsrl7!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!bohemia!kirstein From: kirstein@bohemia.metronet.org (Dale Kirstein) Subject: Re: [W] Corrado stereo Message-ID: <1993Dec18.222813.1247@bohemia.metronet.org> Organization: Bohemia BBS System References: Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 22:28:13 GMT Lines: 40 I have installed a Panasonic In dash CD player in my 90 Corrado, using the original active speaker system. It's not real tricky, but there are some problems to overcome. The main problem is that the input to the VW AKTIV system has an unbalanced input, and requires the low side of the radio output to be at chassis ground. It is also somewhere inbetween line level and speaker level. Most after market stereo units, on the other hand, don't put out enough level from the line outs to drive the VW amps, so you have to use the speaker outputs. The speaker outputs, however, usually are floating above ground, even the negative side of the output! I have found 2 ways to make a non-VW stereo work. 1. CONNECT JUST THE POSITIVE SIDE of the speaker output for each channel to the AKTIV speaker harness for each of 4 channels. Leave the radio negative side for each channel floating (insulated with tape), and ground the ground side of each AKTIV speaker input. You may experience a pop each time you power the unit up. This can be gotten around with a switch in the control line to turn on the AKTIV amps. (if the amps are turned on after the radio, no pop) Please don't flame me on this, I know that theory-wise this is pretty tacky, but it does work! 2. The Right way! Find some audio transformers that can handle the required power, even better if they have the correct impedences. Connect them between the speaker outs of each channel, and the AKTIV speaker inputs from the VW harness. I can't recommend any particular transformers, and depending on your radio, the choice may not be critical. Please use this advice at your own risk. This has worked for me, and the sound is great (I think the VW speakers were well designed for the car) but maybe I was just lucky! Dale Kirstein (90 Corrado) Article 20944 of rec.autos.vw: Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!briber-pc.eng.umd.edu!rbriber From: Robert Briber Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: VW Premium radio -signals out-Help! Date: 4 Oct 1993 12:25:42 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 68 Distribution: world Message-ID: <28p4o6$dlr@hecate.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: briber-pc.eng.umd.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 4 Oct 93 13:25:58 GMT I have a 93 VW Passat with a VW premium cassette radio. The deck is designed to control an optional CD changer in the trunk. The radio and CD changer are manufactured by Matsushita of Japan. The outputs of the deck are labelled with the cryptic labels shown below. I'm looking for L/R line out and power on signals from the deck which I could use to run an amplifier for the rear speakers. The first two connectors with eight pins each are currently connected. This is for the six speaker factory system cassette/tuner. There are 2 door speakers, 2 dash tweeters and 2 rear deck speakers. The deck also dims with the interior lights. The car does not have a power antenna. I do not have the CD changer. The 3rd connector has 10 pins and is not connected to anything. This 3rd connector must be for the CD changer. Any help in deciphering the labels whould be much appreciated. The first 8 pin connector: One of these must be the hot wire (the "+" one?) and one must be ground (but which one?). pin#: 1 2 3 4 ---------------------------------------------- | \|/ | | + -O - S (not labelled) | | /|\ | | _ /| | | - \|/ | | |+ ALM | | | - \| | ---------------------------------------------- 5 6 7 8 The symbol for pin # 7 is a speaker with a "+" sign. Maybe pin #2 is the dimmer/light signal? The second 8 pin connector label (these are obviously the speaker connectors): pin#: 1 2 3 4 ------------------------------------ | - - - - | | | | + + + + | | LR LF RF RR | ------------------------------------ 5 6 7 8 This is the 3rd 10 pin connector which must be for the CD changer (currently not connected): pin#: 1 2 3 4 5 ------------------------------------------ | _ /| | | CDL | | |+ CD+ DTO CLCK | | - \| | | | | | | _ /| | | | | |- CDR SG- CD- DT | | - \| | ------------------------------------------ 6 7 8 9 10 Rob rbriber@eng.umd.edu From lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!EU.net!uunet!ftpbox!mothost!pts-nntp!sun21!dnikas Thu May 26 12:06:11 PDT 1994 Article: 32186 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!EU.net!uunet!ftpbox!mothost!pts-nntp!sun21!dnikas From: dnikas@pts.mot.com (Dimitrios Nikas) Subject: Re: VW Golf Sound System (must use factory Message-ID: Sender: news@pts.mot.com Nntp-Posting-Host: sun21 Reply-To: dnikas@pts.mot.com Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group References: <2qtfcv$e2c@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 20:39:28 GMT Lines: 28 In article e2c@darkstar.UCSC.EDU, kafka@cats.ucsc.edu (Gary Andrew Yuen) writes: > >In article <2qs5cn$272@froggy.cs.utexas.edu> tod@cs.utexas.edu (Tod T. Amon) writes: >>I am shopping for a new car, and want it to be "great stereo ready". The >>VW Golf III has 8 speakers standard (!) but the factory stereo is underpowered >>and the speakers are not particularly impressive. I called Crutchfield >>regarding recommendations for speaker upgrade, and they told me: >> >>"WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS FOR YOUR VEHICLE. RECOMMEND YOU USE FACTORY SPEAKERS" >> >>which startled me, and has me wondering about maybe I shouldn't consider the >>car. Evidently the spacing is really bizzarre or something. Anybody have >>a Golf III and run into this problem before, or have any recommendations or >>comments about VWs factory equipment. I did like the car, and may buy one, >>but this so far is a real negative. Thanks much. > > I think MB Quartz has a setup for Golf/Jetta III's. > > - Gary > Hmm, I think that is MB Quart, as in a quart of olive oil. Cheerio, <- Not the cereal Dimitri 1992 GTI 16V From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!philabs!uunet!microsoft!wingnut!scottst Mon Jul 11 13:35:31 PDT 1994 Article: 35220 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!philabs!uunet!microsoft!wingnut!scottst From: scottst@microsoft.com (Scott Stiles) Subject: Re: Audio System Message-ID: Organization: Microsoft Corp. Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:02:54 GMT Distribution: usa References: <2v5k0m$5fr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <366233@shoreline.ca> Lines: 33 In article <2v5k0m$5fr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> et508@cleveland.Freenet.Edu wrote: > > In a previous article, neuspeed@shoreline.ca (Neuspeed) says: > > >a lot for those speaker grills for the door. Do any aftermarket > >audio companys make speaker kits for the GTI? > > > >And for the boom box, what size is good? A pair of 10" or 12"? > >Should I be posting in rec.audio.car? MB Quart, one of the best (and German!) makes a special "stealth" kit for the golf/GTI II It consists of a bolt-in replacement for the door pocket speaker mount with a 5 1/4 mid/woofer, crossed over with a dome tweeter in a special mounting bracket that will drop into your dash spkr locations. The rear speaker locations can be used for "rear fill", the majority of your sound (and soundstage) should come from the front doors and dash find a decent 4X6 or 4" speaker that will bolt into the factory locations. Note: the MBQuart system may come with a rear speaker, I'm not sure. I heard one of these systems this past weekend in a Jetta III, sounded really nice, and you don't even know it's there because it's all behind factory speaker grilles. The Jetta also had 2 12" in the trunk, a bit much for me. I'm planning on going with a single high quality dual voice coil 10" (or possibly 8") in the back of my Corrado. This should give me as much bass as I really need without disturbing the peace (other traffic) and messing with my handling because of the substantial weight gain. From lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!sundog.tiac.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!kiltym Mon Jul 11 13:38:08 PDT 1994 Article: 35230 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!sundog.tiac.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!kiltym From: kiltym@cs.rpi.edu (Mark Kilty) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Audio System Date: 8 Jul 1994 15:00:55 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2vjpn7$4jv@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2v5k0m$5fr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <366233@shoreline.ca> <2vjn6i$7u8@bmerha64.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: fox.cs.rpi.edu My friend as the MB Quarts in his SAAB 900 with a 4x75 amp running the MB Quarts and a pair of subs in the truck, and I must say they are definately one of the best sounding auto speakers I have hear in a long long time. I know they are sold at nice auto sound stores, as that is where my friend purchased his.... Mark From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!newsserver.sfu.ca!sfu.ca!somji Mon Jul 11 13:55:46 PDT 1994 Article: 35273 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!newsserver.sfu.ca!sfu.ca!somji From: somji@malibu.sfu.ca (Dean Somji) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Audio System Date: 9 Jul 94 06:56:56 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <2v5k0m$5fr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <366233@shoreline.ca> <2vjn6i$7u8@bmerha64.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: malibu.sfu.ca soo@bmerh987.bnr.ca (Wei Soo) writes: >WOW ! This is great! I thought I was going to have to get creative in order >to get some decent sized drivers into the door. >Do you know the model number of this set? Quart's phone number for more info? >Meng "who's all excited now" Soo The systems you are looking for are the "Sound Set" range. Models are as follows: QM 215.21 => Golf II QM 215.22 => Passat QM 218.21 => Golf III QM 328.20 => Golf III (3-way system) Figures for the 215.21 and 215.22 are 50W, 4ohms, and a response of 49Hz to 32kHz. The 218.21 and the 328.20 have a 70w rating, 4 ohms, and 38Hz-32 kHz response range. Address: MB Quart Electronics USA, Inc. 25 Walpole Park South, Walpole, MA 02081 Phone: (508) 668-8973 Fax: (508) 668-8979 Hope it helps. BTW: Slightly pricey!!!! Dean -- =============================================================================== Obesewan Kenobi aka Dean Somji Somji@sfu.ca =============================================================================== -- =============================================================================== Obesewan Kenobi aka Dean Somji Somji@sfu.ca =============================================================================== From lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!microsoft!wingnut!scottst Tue Jul 12 12:34:35 PDT 1994 Article: 35402 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!microsoft!wingnut!scottst From: scottst@microsoft.com (Scott Stiles) Subject: Re: Corrado activ spkr replacement/removal tips??? Message-ID: Organization: Microsoft Corp. Keywords: Corrado Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 17:50:16 GMT Distribution: usa References: Lines: 29 I'm posting this on the net because I wasn't able to reply to Eric's mail directly, sorry for the added traffic. Eric Prior wrote: > The Polk components are 5.25" woofers and 1" tweeters... Eric, thanks very much for taking the time to respond. I have been contemplating doing this job myself (through Crutchfield) but I was about to be scared off by the door panel removal. It looks like it won't be too big of a deal if I have some patience. Crutchfield recommends only a 4" spkr in the doors, but I've heard a 5.25" is possible and it looks like you made this work. Did Crutchfields agree that a 5.25" would fit? Did you arrive at this measurement somewhere else? Are the '93 door panels (speaker locations) different than earlier Corrado's? Did you go with the MM 1255 or the MM 3055? One tip: When using separates in the front of the Corrado the Mids and Tweets are quite a ways apart (when the tweet is in the factory dash spkr location), I've been told that reversing the phase on the tweeter (swapping the positive and negative leads) will give you a better phasing of the front speakers. Another thought, I bet the changer would be more resistant to skipping if it was mounted in a more solid location (back of seat, corner of trunk, etc.). Thanks, Scott Stiles scottst@microsoft.com 93 SLC From scottst@microsoft.com Mon Jul 11 14:23 PDT 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (16.8/16.2) id AA29915; Mon, 11 Jul 94 14:23:56 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netmail2.microsoft.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.2-11 #4) id <01HEL085VO5S004WR5@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 14:23:44 PDT Received: by netmail2.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA16578; Mon, 11 Jul 94 14:23:30 -0700 Received: by netmail2 using fxenixd 1.0 Mon, 11 Jul 94 14:23:30 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 14:17:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Stiles Subject: Re: Corrado activ spkr replacement/removal tips??? To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <9407112123.AA16578@netmail2.microsoft.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Msmail-Message-Id: 93013672 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 93013672 Status: RO Jan, I have found a couple of local car stereo specialty shops that cary Quart, they don't seem to have made it to the large chains (probably because of the cost). I have a brochure at home, I'll get you their information number if you'd like. Replacing the rear speakers with 4" round speakers seems to be the way to go, MBQuart makes a 4" coaxial that fits nicely and Boston's 4.4 (4") Pro component set has been reported to work well (you have to mount the tweeter in a separate/visible location in this case. Either way, you're not going to get much bass out of the speakers. The rears are mainly used for "fill", to bring the soundstage back a bit from the dash. It looks like some sort of sub/woofer in the trunk is needed to get really full range sound unless you want to hack up your rear package tray and drop in some 6X9's (a little to obvious for me). The best door/dash speaker sets I've found are 5.25" component sets and they only go down to 49Hz, so there's a good portion of the sound-range missing. Scott scottst@microsoft.com Here's an exerpt from a piece of mail Eric Prior sent me, it has some good info on the installation: ============================================ > I just completed a total replacement of the stereo in my '92 SLC. > > I put a Kenwood KRC-980 AM/FM cassette CD changer controller > in the dash - removable face, > remote control, killer tape section; a Kenwood KDC-C602 10 > disc changer and a Sony integrated > 6-way amplifier/crossover - the CD changer and amp mounted on > a board that I mounted to the > underside of the luggage area cover; Polk Mobile Audio > components in the doors and dash, and > Polk 4x6 metric 2-ways in the rear baskets; a 6.5" Bazooka > subwoofer strapped down to the back > of the right rear seat; and a waterproof fuse holder near the > battery for the amp power supply. > > The only change that is visible are the screws in the rear > cover used to mount the board and I > painted them black - only a Corrado owner would know they > weren't stock. If needed, I can dis- > connect everything on the board quickly and remove the rear > cover and/or subwoofer. It's a real > clean installation but I took my time (several days) and used patience doing it. > > The Polk components are 5.25" woofers and 1" tweeters. I > removed the door panels (relatively easy > - don't lose the little plugs that go in the head of the > screws) and removed the map pockets from > the door panels. The entire Aktiv speaker component can then > be removed providing plenty of space > for the 5.25" woofers and acoustic baffles. Unfortunately the > studs that the speakers mount on are > plastic so what I did was cut one off (the one furthest > forward) and drilled a hole through the map > pocket at that post and used a screw and clip to securely > clamp the speaker in place. The speaker > cover on the map pocket hides the screw from view. For the > tweeter I had a plastics place make me > two .125" thick, 4" diameter disks with 2" diameter holes in > the center into which the tweeters are > surface mounted. The plastic disks sit over the stock holes in > the dash and the stock speaker covers > snap down and hold the disks in place. The tweeters can be > tilted in their mounts to provide proper > stereo imaging. The hardest part about the door panels was > getting the door lock lifter to go through > the hole when putting the panels back on the door (use a piece > of tape to hold the door lock lifter all > the way back and out). No need to remove any of the snaps > along the bottom of the panels but be > careful removing the plastic covers over the inside of the > area where the mirrors mount (I broke one > of the snaps but the cover still stays in place). > > I had to cut away the bottom of the rear speaker basket to > accomodate the Polk 4x6 metrics. I used a > Moto-Tool which cut through the plastic like butter - it > wasn't as clean as I would have liked but > nobody can see it. I might have used a different subwoofer > but I had the Bazooka from a previous > system in the GLI I had before the SLC. I listen mostly to > jazz so I don't need a subwoofer that > breaks the neighbors windows. The Sony is a great little amp > since I get 30 watts RMS per channel > to the front and the rear and 70 watts RMS to the subwoofer > which is mono. The built-in crossover > allows me to select crossover points for the front, rear, and > subwoofer that are correct for the speakers > (70, 100, or 150 Hz) and it has separate input levels for > front, rear, and subwoofer. It all comes in one > relatively small footprint package and minimizes the > additional weight on the rear cover. > > The CD changer has skipped a few times but I'm not too > surprised since the Corrado bounces around > so much because it is so tightly sprung. Also, the random > feature of the changer seems to sometimes > take an extraordinarily long time decided just which track its > going to play. I think Kenwood has the > best looking components and that's what made me decide on that brand. > > BTW, I purchased most everything except the amp from > Crutchfield and was very satisfied with the > service and information I received from them - and I didn't > have to pay sales tax. If you have the time > and inclination, I highly recommend that you do the > installation yourself - nobody else cares as much > about your car as you do so only you can do a job that is as > clean and careful as you want. Good luck. > ---------- > From: Jan Vandenbrande > To: Scott Stiles > Cc: > Subject: Re: Corrado activ spkr replacement/removal tips??? > Date: Monday, July 11, 1994 1:34PM > > In article you write: > >After living with my stock (VW Premium in 93 SLC) stereo system for 6mos I > >have decided it's time for an upgrade, I'd like to be able to hear my stereo > >clearly with the windows down at highway speed... > > > >I am currently in the planning stages, selecting components. I'd like to install > >a cd/tuner in the dash and MBQuart separates in the door/dash, unfortunately > >MBQuart doesn't make a "kit" for the Corrado like they do for the Golf II, > >Golf&Jetta III and Passat but their rep has suggested a system that should bolt > >into the stock locations. > >The stock system looks to have a 4" mid/woofer in the door which is mounted > >from the BACK of the panel which is accompanied by a dome tweeter in the dash > >(in a 4" mounting bracket), the system also has 4X6" garbage speakers on either > >side of the rear deck for fill (landfill?). > > > >Has anyone replaced their door speakers in a 93 Corrado? > >Is door panel removal necessary? It looks like it will be. > >Any tips on door panel removal? > >Any successful Corrado system upgrade stories? > > > >Thanks, > >Scott Stiles > >scottst@microsoft.com > >93 SLC > > If you find out more, please let me know. I am interested mostly > in replacing the rears with something better but in the stock > location. > BTW, where can you get MBQuart speakers? > > Thanks, Jan > -- > Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com > > From lynx.unm.edu!camhpp12.ug.eds.com.mdcbbs.com!jan Fri Jan 14 13:09:44 PST 1994 Article: 17680 of rec.audio.car Path: lynx.unm.edu!camhpp12.ug.eds.com.mdcbbs.com!jan From: jan@camhpp12.ug.eds.com (Jan Vandenbrande) Newsgroups: rec.audio.car Subject: Re: CD Changers w/RF Modulation Date: 12 Jan 1994 22:22:38 GMT Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h1t7eINNfoo@lynx.unm.edu> References: <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: camhpp12.ug.eds.com In article <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> deej@heathcliff.engin.umich.edu (david james foremsky) writes: > >I read the article in Car Audio magazine (about trunk mounted >CD changers that play through existing head units through >RF modulators) that was recommended on this group recently, >and based on that, I have some questions about them: > May I add another question: 4) How will it affect existing FM reception (as you do end up splicing something in the antenna wire). Jan -- Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com jan@lipari.usc.edu (school address, forwards) From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!news.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!cfe+ Fri Jan 14 13:09:51 PST 1994 Article: 17702 of rec.audio.car Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!news.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!cfe+ From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com Newsgroups: rec.audio.car Subject: Re: CD Changers w/RF Modulation Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 17:08:42 -0500 Organization: Sponsored account, Systems Group 82, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Excerpts from netnews.rec.audio.car: 11-Jan-94 CD Changers w/RF Modulation david james foremsky@hea (871) > 1 How do they sound? The article comments on problems of > limited frequency range due to FM tuner constraints. Is this > narrowing of the range significant? Can you tell the difference in your home stereo between FM-broadcast music and CD music? That's the same as the difference between FM broadcast/reception and direct-wire CD hookup. If you prefer the CD sound because it's clearer than the FM broadcast, you'll hear the same high-end cutoff in the transmission to your car FM receiver. It may not actually be quite that bad, since the low-power CD transmitter could conceivably be a little broader-band coverage than FCC-licensed radio transmitters, and there might not be a big high-end roll-off in your car receiver, but that's a dubious argument: the FM stereo-format signal MUST terminate at 19KHz or before, so that you have room to include the channel-difference signal. Craig From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!usenet-feed.umr.edu!pozsgay Fri Jan 14 13:09:58 PST 1994 Article: 17716 of rec.audio.car Newsgroups: rec.audio.car Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!usenet-feed.umr.edu!pozsgay From: pozsgay@umr.edu (Andrew Pozsgay) Subject: Re: CD Changers w/RF Modulation References: <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <2h1t7eINNfoo@lynx.unm.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 06:59:01 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: saucer.cc.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri, Rolla Sender: cnews@umr.edu (UMR Usenet News Administration) Message-ID: <1994Jan13.065901.10805@umr.edu> Lines: 21 In article <2h1t7eINNfoo@lynx.unm.edu>, Jan Vandenbrande wrote: >In article <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> deej@heathcliff.engin.umich.edu (david james foremsky) writes: >> > >May I add another question: > >4) How will it affect existing FM reception (as you do end up splicing > something in the antenna wire). > It should have no effect on FM reception since there is an internal switch which takes the modulator out of the circuit when you are not using CD. BTW, if you have good quality speakers in your car and an amp, there is a big difference in sound quality between the modulator hookup and a direct hookup. If you do the direct hookup, music on the radio will sound poor in comparison. -Andy From lynx.unm.edu!fmsrl7!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!eigen!gilchr Fri Jan 14 13:10:39 PST 1994 Article: 17717 of rec.audio.car Newsgroups: rec.audio.car Path: lynx.unm.edu!fmsrl7!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!eigen!gilchr From: gilchr@ee.ualberta.ca (Andrew Gilchrist) Subject: Re: CD Changers w/RF Modulation Message-ID: Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: eigen.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <2gums9INNq7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 07:29:00 GMT Lines: 28 deej@heathcliff.engin.umich.edu (david james foremsky) writes: >I read the article in Car Audio magazine (about trunk mounted >CD changers that play through existing head units through >RF modulators) that was recommended on this group recently, >and based on that, I have some questions about them: >1 How do they sound? The article comments on problems of >limited frequency range due to FM tuner constraints. Is this >narrowing of the range significant? FM broadcasts have a frequency response of 50Hz to 15kHz. I consider this to be a serious impediment to HiFi reproduction. At least some RF units do not properly bandlimit the audio before multiplexing to stereo FM. This can cause big big problems if high frequencies are introduced, particularly if they impinge on the 19kHz FM pilot frequency. A friend of mine who had an old Sony RF unit complained that at a certain point in "Kokomo" the tuner would lose FM lock on the channel. WaY kOoL! >2 I would like to have one installed, and based on the article, >I am leaning towards the Kenwood. I am also considering Alpine, >Pioneer and Eclipse units that were not reviewed in the article. >Does anybody have experience with any of these units? You don't want an RF unit. Trust me. Landroo From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Tue Aug 16 12:44:22 PDT 1994 Article: 37607 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: cybrland@aol.com (Cybrland) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado activ spkr replacement/removal tips??? Date: 14 Aug 1994 20:52:01 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <32me7h$k9f@search01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article , scottst@microsoft.com (Scott Stiles) writes: I DID it! The door panel comes off by: 1. Open the door 2. remove all the screws around the perimeter of the door. 3. pull the plastic cover off of the interior door panel. 4. remove the screws in the handle. 5. remove the plastic cover near the side mirror. 6. pull of the door panel 7. remove the metal baffle. 8. Voila! Door speaker! From mshearer@math.ucla.edu Wed Jul 13 13:00 PDT 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (16.8/16.2) id AA04342; Wed, 13 Jul 94 13:00:55 -0700 Return-Path: mshearer@math.ucla.edu Received: from julia.math.ucla.edu by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.2-11 #4) id <01HENPVOQ3OW004MDA@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:00:39 PDT Received: from redwood.math.ucla.edu by julia.math.ucla.edu (Sendmail 4.1/1.11) id AA26394; Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:59:43 PDT Received: by redwood.math.ucla.edu (Sendmail 4.1/1.11) id AA07302; Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:59:43 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:59:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Shearer Subject: Re: Problem with using portable CD player in Jetta ///... To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <9407131959.AA07302@redwood.math.ucla.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Jan, I have one of those tape things. When I bought the car I sort of blew off the idea of a cd player, but now I think I'll make sure to get one next time. The cd player I have is a Sony Car Diskman. I have two minor complaints about it: the wires tend to get tangled up and in the way, and if the unit is on the passenger seat, pretty much whenever I hit a bump it looses the track for a second (that's in the Corrado, in the GLi this doesn't happen). I guess the suspension is too harsh for it. :-) As you no dooubt can guess, there was not a lot of choice as far as what options the car came with: I'd trade the cold weather package for a cd player any day! ;-) (I sure have gotten a ton of use out of that! In fact, the only time I think I've ever turned on a seat warmer was to crank it up to 5 and see how long it took my passenger to notice how warm their seat was getting.) Mike From cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Fri Sep 16 13:00:03 PDT 1994 Article: 20037 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1 08/24/93 VAX/VMS V1.5; site cc.usu.edu Path: cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD option in 94-95 Je Message-ID: <60.28425.4949.0N1AF054@canrem.com> From: tom.neumann@canrem.com (Tom Neumann) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 94 00:15:00 -0400 References: <34kp15$fiq@hecate.umd.edu> Distribution: world Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Lines: 26 Robert M. Briber writes: RR>The premium radio that VW has been making for a few years now can >control a trunk mounted CD changer. Both parts are made by >Panasonic but they are designed to work with eachother and not with >other Panasonic parts. In other words an off the shelf Panasonic CD >changer will not work with the VW head unit. There has been some >discussion of this on the net and one person even hooked a system >up. The VW head unit would operate the Panasonic changer with >limited funcionality but the >head unit did not display correctly as to what the changer was doing >or where you where (i.e. which CD/which track). At our dealership, we have a local stereo store that installs the Panasonic model DP60. (This is a six-disc changer.) I don't know if they have to do any modifications to the wiring, but it installs and works perfectly with the VW supplied Premium AM/FM Cassette. All the functions work correctly and the display reports all the proper info (CD, track, etc.) We sell the unit installed for $600.00 (Canadian $). Tom --- * 1st 1.11 #3720 * I sell Volkswagens From cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!mxb171 Fri Sep 16 13:18:46 PDT 1994 Article: 20078 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1 08/24/93 VAX/VMS V1.5; site cc.usu.edu Path: cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!mxb171 Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Speakers question Message-ID: <94255.093103MXB171@psuvm.psu.edu> From: HairClub President Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:31:03 EDT References: <34h8uu$lb5@hermod.uio.no> <94252.094543MXB171@psuvm.psu.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Penn State University Lines: 37 In article , lehrian@e4mail.ece.drexel.edu (Matthew Lehrian) says: >> >I just have a question about loudspeakers in a '87 golf. >> >I don't want to cut and mount speakers in the doors or in the back >> >over the trunk.. >> >> >Are there any good speakers that fit in the original mountingplaces >> >front and rear? Or are 3.5" and 4"x 6" to small too sound o.k. >MB Quart all the way. They're simply the best. You'll pay a bit more for >them, but they make kits specifically for Volkswagens (as well as other >German autos). I buying a 10 speaker MB Quart system for my Jetta /// for >the factory locations. I had MB Quarts in a Fiat Spider that I used to own >(sounded great even with the top down at 70 MPH). Unless you NEED a 12" to >18" speaker in your car for some reason, the Quarts should go down low >enough for you for a nice stock look (and talk about PUNCHY TIGHT sound). >I love 'em. >--- Matthew Lehrian --- >Lehrian@e4mail.ece.drexel.edu \ / >lehriamr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu \ \/ / > skittle@cbis.ece.drexel.edu \/\/ Volkswagenwerk I do agree that MB Quartz have a good sound, but I have to disagree in the bass department. I have the 215 Golf set in my car and have found them to be dropping off even before the "bass" frequencies. They seem to be at 3 db down by about 130hz or so (Pure guess just by sound and specs). If you seal them up REAL good you can get ~some~ more midbass out of them, but the call for a sub is still there. Even with a good seal, they don't get anywhere near 50 hz, which I wouldn't expect from a 5 1/4" either. So please note, I am not bashing quart at all. I am just saying that the 5 1/4"is not big enough to get the low notes no matter who makes it. (Disclaimer: I did have a friend who made a 4" isobarik tube that was about 7 feet long and went down to 40hz, but that is far from a normal setup and would not fit in your Golf). - mike From cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!emba-news.uvm.edu!uunet!panix!ddsw1!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!news.drexel.edu!dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu!e4-lebow-n1-5-90.ece.drexel.edu!user Fri Sep 16 14:01:22 PDT 1994 Article: 20316 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1 08/24/93 VAX/VMS V1.5; site cc.usu.edu Path: cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!emba-news.uvm.edu!uunet!panix!ddsw1!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!news.drexel.edu!dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu!e4-lebow-n1-5-90.ece.drexel.edu!user Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Speakers question Message-ID: From: lehrian@e4mail.ece.drexel.edu (Matthew Lehrian) Date: 14 Sep 1994 05:41:20 GMT Followup-To: rec.autos.vw References: <34h8uu$lb5@hermod.uio.no> <94252.094543MXB171@psuvm.psu.edu> <94255.093103MXB171@psuvm.psu.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Drexel University NNTP-Posting-Host: e4-lebow-n1-5-90.ece.drexel.edu Lines: 66 In article <94255.093103MXB171@psuvm.psu.edu>, HairClub President wrote: > In article , > lehrian@e4mail.ece.drexel.edu (Matthew Lehrian) says: > >> >I just have a question about loudspeakers in a '87 golf. > >> >I don't want to cut and mount speakers in the doors or in the back > >> >over the trunk.. > >> > >> >Are there any good speakers that fit in the original mountingplaces > >> >front and rear? Or are 3.5" and 4"x 6" to small too sound o.k. > >MB Quart all the way. They're simply the best. You'll pay a bit more for > >them, but they make kits specifically for Volkswagens (as well as other > >German autos). I buying a 10 speaker MB Quart system for my Jetta /// for > >the factory locations. I had MB Quarts in a Fiat Spider that I used to own > >(sounded great even with the top down at 70 MPH). Unless you NEED a 12" to > >18" speaker in your car for some reason, the Quarts should go down low > >enough for you for a nice stock look (and talk about PUNCHY TIGHT sound). > >I love 'em. > > I do agree that MB Quartz have a good sound, but I have to disagree > in the bass department. I have the 215 Golf set in my car and have found > them to be dropping off even before the "bass" frequencies. They seem to > be at 3 db down by about 130hz or so (Pure guess just by sound and specs). > If you seal them up REAL good you can get ~some~ more midbass out of them, > but the call for a sub is still there. Even with a good seal, they > don't get anywhere near 50 hz, which I wouldn't expect from a 5 1/4" either. > So please note, I am not bashing quart at all. I am just saying that the > 5 1/4"is not big enough to get the low notes no matter who makes it. > (Disclaimer: I did have a friend who made a 4" isobarik tube that was about > 7 feet long and went down to 40hz, but that is far from a normal setup and > would not fit in your Golf). > > - mike Agreed, you're not going to get 20 Hz out of a 6 inch speaker, but 130 Hz is awefully high. I would suspect more in the area of 70 Hz for a typical installation. My next question would be what head unit/amp were you driving them with? I had Alpine CD/Alpine 25 RMS x 4/4 MB Quart 2-ways (5 1/4) in my Fiat and I couldn't tell much difference between that and my brother-in-law's Scirocco which has 2 10 inch subs in a box. Anyway, my point is not to dispute the need for sub-woofers for 20 Hz to 20 kHz reproduction. My point is that for the average Joe who doesn't listen to THUMPIN' rap music (you know who you are) are who doesn't enter stereo competitions, subs aren't NECESSARY for a very good sound when shelling out the bucks for MB Quarts. Additionally, if the car is to be used for everyday transportation, sub boxes can be very cumbersome and screw up the nice fold-down rear seat benefit, severly limiting cargo space. Incidentally, I plan on replacing the factory speakers in my Jetta /// with a 10-speaker MB Quart system driven by Alpine components. For my sub, I'm installing an Alpine powered sub box (70 Watts RMS) with a single custom wiring connector and a few thumb screws for easy removal. Again, subs a great, but not necessary unless you REALLY want it. But I suggest buying the MB Quarts and installing your stereo. If it's not enough bass FOR YOU, then think about adding sub-woofers. Everything is a tradeoff, and happiness is balancing the parameters that are important to you. --- Matthew Lehrian --- \ / lehriamr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu \ \/ / skittle@cbis.ece.drexel.edu \/\/ Volkswagenwerk From cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Tue Sep 20 14:37:10 PDT 1994 Article: 20564 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1 08/24/93 VAX/VMS V1.5; site cc.usu.edu Path: cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD option in 94-95 Je Message-ID: <60.28829.4949.0N1B08DF@canrem.com> From: tom.neumann@canrem.com (Tom Neumann) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 10:12:00 -0400 Distribution: world Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Lines: 46 Kim_Kimball@transarc.com writes: KK> Someone raised the issue of whether the VW head unit would work with > the Panasonic version of the changer. KK> The answer, unfortunately, is no. We have that exact unit installed on one of our demos and it works fine. The display when playing a CD looks like this: CD 2 TRACK 01 with the numbers subscipted a bit. When you hold the arrows toscan through a selection thye display shows the seconds left on that selection. Was it supposed to show something else? KK> I took my GLX to a stereo shop and we hooked up the Panasonic CX-DP60. > All functions work -- changing disks, shuffle play, changing tracks, > scanning, etc. BUT -- the LCD display on the head unit doesn't get > updated; so you never know what the heck is going on. You might want to try a different stereo shop. KK> If anyone finds a stock non-VW changer that works with the VW > head unit, or a solution to the update problem described above, > I'd be very interested in knowing. The CX DP60 works fine with the VW Premium Cassette. If you are up in Toronto I'll show it to you working just fine;if you want to have one installed we'll do it for $600 Canadian plus tax (15%). If you or anyone else want to arrange this please call me at (416)741-7480 Tom Neumann York Volkswagen 1950 Wilson Ave. Weston, Ontario <---- this is in Metropolitan Toronto M9M 1B2 Tom --- * 1st 1.11 #3720 * I sell Volkswagens ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Neumann Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:tom.neumann@canrem.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 23:00:00 -0400 Subject: RE: CORRADO & OTHERS PROB By the way, if you didn't see the thread a while back the Panasonic CX DP-60 six pack CD changer very definatly can be made to work properly in every respect with the Volkswagen Premium AM/FM Cassette with CD changer. I've sold a few and we have one running at the dealership to show people. I spoke with the installer, and while he didn't tell me exactly what they had to do to adapt it, he told me that it was just a matter of getting the wires right. He had an adapter that just routed the wires properly. Tom --- From eafg034@ea.oac.uci.edu Tue Oct 18 09:22 PDT 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA29726; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:22:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from taurus.oac.uci.edu by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HIF0KIBQNK0009WQ@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taurus.oac.uci.edu id AA14083 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for jan@ug.eds.com) ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:17:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Deanna Westra Subject: Factory speakers To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Replacing the factory speakers is not as simple as one might think. If you have the door speakers that say "Aktiv" on them, they are powered with their own amplifiers internally. The line level coming to them from the Heidelberg head unit is, unfortunately, too weak to drive a regular speaker, and too strong to drive an amplifier driving a regular speaker. So if you want to replace the speakers, you MUST replace the Heidelberg also. The dashboard tweeters also use this "neither-here-nor-there" voltage, however the rear speakers are amplified from within the Heidelberg. Thanks a lot, VW, for giving us the world's hardest stereo to replace! Has anybody found a replacement door panel, designed to hold a third party midwoofer with an enclosure? From dberar@julian.uwo.ca Tue Oct 18 13:06 PDT 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11279; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:06:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from julian.uwo.ca by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HIF8E9EKG0000SV4@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by julian.uwo.ca id AA25760; Tue, 18 Oct 94 16:07:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 16:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "d. berar" Subject: Re: speaker question (fwd) In-Reply-To: <01HIF755JWKY000SAT@UG.EDS.COM> To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO On Tue, 18 Oct 1994, Jan Vandenbrande wrote: > > > > I can't speak sprecifically sbabout the Corrado speakers, bytut > > in general factory sound systems are opverproiced and underpowered. > > > > My suggestion is that you get some aftermarket speakers, installing > > them is no problem unless you are totally mechanincally uninclined > > (Your VCR still flashes 12:00)...They are a ->MUCH<- better > > imrovement and cost easil under $100. > > > > Dan Berar > > dberar@julian.uwo.csa > > SUch as? > > -- > Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com > Well I was unaware that the Corrado speakers were amplified so to replace them you would need an amplifier as well, or you can get a head unit with a built-in amp.. As for speakers some good low-end names include Pioneer and Sony, while if you wanted good clear high-end you could get MB Quart or Boston Acoustic separates... Dan Berar From eafg034@ea.oac.uci.edu Sun Dec 11 18:11 PST 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA29082; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:10:59 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from taurus.oac.uci.edu by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HKIYOV4434004HNK@UG.EDS.COM>; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by taurus.oac.uci.edu id AA21694 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for jan@ug.eds.com) ; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:05:26 -0800 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 18:05:26 -0800 (PST) From: Deanna Westra Subject: Re: Speaker solutions (fwd) To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 21:26:31 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Zarkovacki Subject: Re: Speaker solutions > Has anyone come up with a solution for good, clear bass in a Corrado that > does NOT involve building a huge box in the back? (Please, don't bother > responding with "My box isn't TOO gigantic, it's not THAT bad," ;-) > Look in the latest Crutchfield Magazine. There are a lots of small boxed with tube style woofers. Kenwood KSC-W800's are - 9-7/8" W x 10-1/2" H x 16" L - up to 100 watts RMS - 4 Ohm impedance - 8 inch woofers Also they have a model that comes with a built in amplifier - KSC-WA801. Without an amp they cost 149.95 each and with it --> 249.95 each. The Kicker Substations are also a good choice. They offer both 6-1/2 and 8 inch sets which come with port plugs to tighten the sound. Supposedly if you aim the ports at the rear corners of the car they are best for jazz and pop. And you can aim them at the corners for slamming bass for rap. The 8 inchers can handle 150 watts and the 6-1/2" can handle 100 watts RMS. They have flat bottoms and have brackets to keep them stable. - The 8" boxes measure 8-3/4" W x 8-3/4" H x 18-1/2" L These are also 4 ohms and cost 269.95 a pair for the 8 inchers and 199.95 a pair for the 6-1/2" boxes. Hope this helps. I talked to a radio installer at Century 2000 and he said that Cerwin Vega set up a record setting system for the 1990 Corrado without hogging space and using the original speaker locations. Cerwin Vega said that the Corrado was a excellent car, and had amazing accoustics without letting the whole world hear it outside. Order the Crutchfield catalog and browse it might be more helpful to see it than have me explain it to you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Zarkovacki The University of Akron r3tkz@dax.uakron.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eafg034@ea.oac.uci.edu Wed Dec 14 09:53 PST 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02904; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:53:02 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from rigel.oac.uci.edu by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HKMO6FR0OW005ANO@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rigel.oac.uci.edu id AA24727 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for jan@ug.eds.com) ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:39:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: Deanna Westra Subject: Re: [W] Heisenberg Stereo (fwd) To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 18:16:43 -40975532 (CST) From: Steven M. Kosloske Subject: Re: [W] Heisenberg Stereo (fwd) > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:35:16 EST > From:mspivak@hyperdesk.com > Subject: Re: [W] Heisenberg Stereo (fwd) > > Speaking of electrical contact cleaner - where do you get this stuff? > Radio Shack does not have it. Nobody in my area has it. > I suspect there might be some relation to CFC ban (?). > > Any ideas? > > Marat > Try high end audio stores. Theres a product called "Tweak" (I think) that is made to enhance contacts, works great. -- (Steve Kosloske) | ------------------------------------| "Cogito, ergo sum" (I think I-net: Steven.Kosloske@mixcom.com | therefore I am) - Rene Descartes `90 Corrado G60 (30K) | From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!Elroy.UH.EDU!BLW12879 Mon Oct 31 13:52:28 PST 1994 Article: 42074 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!Elroy.UH.EDU!BLW12879 From: blw12879@Elroy.UH.EDU (brandon white) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: MB Quart Speaker Set for Jetta ///? Date: 28 Oct 1994 06:03:48 GMT Organization: University of Houston Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38q484$1tr@masala.cc.uh.edu> References: <38gpv9$3fh@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Reply-To: blw12879@Elroy.UH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu In article <38gpv9$3fh@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, schmitt@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Schmitt) writes: >Rumor has it there is a comapny by the name of MB Quart (funny name....) >that sells speaker sets for VW's. I remember one gentleman saying he had >just purchased a 10 speaker set for his new VW, and I am intrested in doing >the same. Anyone have any info on this company? >Andrew Schmitt Andrew, the reason you may not have heard of MB Quart is because they are a very exquisite and needless to say far above normal car audio standards. I dont consider myself a VW expert by any means... however car audio IS my bag. FYI - For many years there was an advertisment in Car Audio magazine that said there were 4 things in common with the majority of the IASCA winners and best of shows... JL Audio SubWoofers, Precision Power Amplifiers, Street Wires Cabling, and MB Quart Speakers. What am I trying to say? After many, many systems I have been sold on JL Audio, Precision Power, and of Course MB Quart. Good Listening! blw12879@jetson.uh.edu From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bmerha64.bnr.ca!jmclaugh Tue Nov 1 15:16:48 PST 1994 Article: 42388 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bmerha64.bnr.ca!jmclaugh From: jmclaugh@bcars781.bnr.ca (James McLaughlin) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: CD changer for A3's Date: 1 Nov 1994 16:28:24 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 22 Distribution: na Message-ID: <395qb8$df9@bmerha64.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcars781.bnr.ca I saw a post made a while ago asking about the Panasonic changer for VW's. I just had one installed in my '94 Jetta, and it seems to work fine. The LCD display correctly shows which CD, and which track is playing. When I fast forward it displays the time. I haven't figured out how to get the time to show when it's playing regular speed. If anyone happens to know how let me know. As well if anyone has this player and it isn't updating the track info, then it must be hooked up wrong. I was told that they had to get a connector and cable from the dealer, then rewire the cable to get it to work correctly. It was a lot cheaper to go to the local stereo shop than the dealer. VW wanted $799, the dealer could sub contract it out for $699, but I paid $459 installed. These prices are Canadian, so I think it was a pretty good deal. Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim McLaughlin - Bell Northern Research - (613) 765-3493 - jmclaugh@bnr.ca From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!telerama.lm.com!not-for-mail Tue Dec 13 18:45:03 PST 1994 Article: 45577 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!telerama.lm.com!not-for-mail From: bwgti16v@telerama.lm.com (Brian Wicks) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: [W] Door Speaker for AKTIV System Date: 13 Dec 1994 08:33:10 -0500 Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3ck7qm$glt@telerama.lm.com> References: <3c9s31$1f8t@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <3cjc52$7j6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: telerama.lm.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] James McElroy Jr. (jmcelroy@wpi.edu) wrote: > I think you're stuck. I went looking for new door speakers last > summer and talked to Crutchfield and all sorts of reputable local car > stereo places. They all said the only way to replace the Activ > speakers is to replace the whole system - including head unit. > OTOH, it seems like the radio in our cars has amp pre outs that could > be used to power an amp and then regular speakers, but I haven't > confirmed this. Anyone else know what all those extra connections are > on the back of the Heidelburg unit in late model GTI/GLIs? Are they preouts? Well the AKTIV does have pre-amp outputs..but they are not the standard 500mv (?) that everyone else is. I tried them but they didn't work very well. Also I know someone else here tried it and had a problem with getting high volumne output. You don't necessarly have to replace the head unit (the purists will freak out here) I just ran my outputs to a Line level converter and then to a punch 30 amp which powers the rear speakers (and a tube) and will be able to power the fronts when I buy components. My system looks stock (i.e. reduces break in risk IMO) but sounds much better and is capable of much higher volumnes than the stock system. Again the audio purists (hi Mikey) will have a fit about this but it will solve your problem. -- Brian Wicks A.K.S. Autocrossing, Kayaking, Soccer bwgti16v.telerama.lm.com Keep the Faith From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bmerha64.bnr.ca!jmclaugh Thu Dec 15 13:35:16 PST 1994 Article: 45671 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bmerha64.bnr.ca!jmclaugh From: jmclaugh@bcars781.bnr.ca (James McLaughlin) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: '95 GTI CD-Player location? Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:52:54 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3cn0s6$sjs@bmerha64.bnr.ca> References: <3bdb5q$k31@mercury.ucsb.edu> <1994Dec13.164209.28418@eplrx7.es.duPont.com> <3clpka$36p@newstand.syr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcars781.bnr.ca In article <3clpka$36p@newstand.syr.edu>, Josh Linder wrote: >Mark A. Wardrop (wardrop@pods04.dnet.dupont.com) wrote: >: Does anyone know what makes of CD changers will work with the '95 GTI >: Panasonic CD changer controller? Is the Panasonic the only one that will >: work or is the Panasonic interface the same as any other brand? > >The VW one is the only one that will work. The Panasonic one really just >doesn't. Does that mean that I just imagine that the Panasonic DP60 changer I have installed in my '94 Jetta works just fine? As I posted some time ago, I had it installed for $459 CDN, and YES you CAN use the Panasonic just fine with the Premium stereo. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim McLaughlin - Bell Northern Research - (613) 765-3493 - jmclaugh@bnr.ca From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.ufl.edu!maple.circa.ufl.edu!WHERE Tue Jan 10 10:39:45 PST 1995 Article: 47540 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.ufl.edu!maple.circa.ufl.edu!WHERE From: where@maple.circa.ufl.edu Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD out jack in [US] Golf /// Stereo Date: 10 Jan 1995 15:47:01 GMT Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3eua5m$a0u@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Reply-To: where@maple.circa.ufl.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: maple.circa.ufl.edu I tell you what, I'll modify my Sony Discman power adapter mounting plate to add a capacitor across the input leads and let you know whether it works or not. (I have an external pre-amplifier equalizer with CD input jack). I think the best thing I've come across to reduce "grounding" problems in the stereo was the Radio Shack "Ground Loop Isolator" device. It amounts to an RCA patch cord with a 1"X2" can in the middle of it that apparently contains a pair of isolation transformers according to the schematic on the side of it. I found it worth the $12 it cost, unfortunately I used it between my EQ and my stereo head unit that has RCA in and out jacks (run out to the EQ then back into the head unit for front amplification. :) I agree that running on batteries is the easy out, but shoot there has to be a better way. I've looked at the Sony car power adapter and it has NO filtering what-so-ever. Looks like its re- design time. :) Mark Wendt "WHERE?" '80 Scirocco_S w/'85 Golf_//_GTI engine From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!nntp.crl.com!crl10.crl.com!not-for-mail Mon Dec 19 14:31:19 PST 1994 Article: 46054 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!nntp.crl.com!crl10.crl.com!not-for-mail From: jimbob@crl.com (James E Langston) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: '95 GTI/Sport CD Player Compatibility Date: 18 Dec 1994 11:35:48 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3d22uk$1ec@crl10.crl.com> References: <3ct7v6$760@risky.ecs.umass.edu> <3d099l$s32@newstand.syr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl10.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : The VW is essentially Panasonic, but modified to VW OEM specs. I just pulled the head unit from my '95 GTI-VR6 to put in a CD head unit, and the tape deck was a *CLARION* unit. The local VW rep here in Atlanta told me that they were currently using Clarion equipment for the head units, and same for the changers. I believe that it would be a good idea to pull the in-dash unit and check what brand you have, and if it is Clarion, then you could probably get away with buying a Clarion changer from your local audio dealer. I replaced the head unit with a Clarion 6540 CD head unit, and have been happy with the results. The head unit has four line out jacks, and thus I was able to use the slave amps mounted in the doors... Good luck... Jimbob From usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!kinky.eng.gtefsd.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews Wed Jan 11 09:05:43 PST 1995 Article: 47587 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!kinky.eng.gtefsd.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews From: Stress Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD out jack in [US] Golf /// Stereo Date: 10 Jan 1995 22:05:54 GMT Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse NY, USA Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3ev0c2$o6r@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3esg87$bd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cns10-162.syr.edu mbernier@aol.com (MBernier) wrote: > > >Has anyone used the 'CD out' jack in the stereo available in the U.S. > >model Golf/Jetta /// GL? I tried it out with a portable CD player using a > > There were several posts on this subject here some time ago. > It seems this is a common problem and several posted solutions....... Found this tidbit on rec.autos.tech where there is a thread on this very topic as we speak... ::I have also found that some Sony Diskmen have much less noise when they ::are run on lower DC voltage. Your car battery puts out as much as 15 V or ::more when charging. In addition to your filtering, it might be worth trying ::a 3 terminal regulator like a LM317 with good filter caps as well ::to drop down to the usual 9 V for the CD player. ::As far as boosting the output, a little audio 1:2 matching transformer ::should work fine since you do not need to boost the power, just the voltage. ::--- sam From usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!yale.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!kentfitz Wed Jan 11 09:06:34 PST 1995 Article: 47590 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!yale.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!kentfitz From: kentfitz@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Kent Fitzgerald (GD 1994)) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD out jack in [US] Golf /// Stereo Date: 10 Jan 1995 22:01:18 GMT Organization: Yale University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ev03e$fnh@news.ycc.yale.edu> References: <3eua5m$a0u@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> <3euk6n$5lf@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.cis.yale.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : > huh? what about for the electronics-impaired? is this "ignition noise" : > a high pitched whine upon acceleration? (kinda like a turbo?) The whine is the alternator, the sizzling noise is the ignition. Both change pitch with engine RPM. Most of the time, these noises result from a ground loop problem. The cure is to wire the stereo and the CD player (i.e. the cigarette lighter socket) to the same ground point, or plug a "ground loop isolator" in line with the CD input. -- Kent Fitzgerald kentfitz@minerva.cis.yale.edu Department of Psychology, Yale University From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl9.crl.com!not-for-mail Fri Jan 13 16:32:29 PST 1995 Article: 47825 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl9.crl.com!not-for-mail From: jimbob@crl.com (James E Langston) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: HELP! CD Changer Question Date: 12 Jan 1995 18:09:40 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3f4nd4$ink@crl9.crl.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: crl9.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Derek Demaree (jdemaree@world.std.com) wrote: : changers with the VW Premium stereo package made by Matsushita (Sp?). Is Before making any purchases, I would pull the head unit from the dash to check what brand it is. Apparently VW has used Panasonic, Matsushita (assuming your source is correct), and Clarion. My '95 GTI had a Clarion head unit, so the Clarion 6540 CD head unit was a drop-in replacement. My local VW rep indicated that the suppliers for the head unit vary widely, so make sure your check before making a potentially expensive mistake... Good luck, Jimbob From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Mon Jan 30 13:36:25 PST 1995 Article: 49504 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: CD Changer & "Premium" Au From: tom.neumann@canrem.com (Tom Neumann) Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!portnoy!canrem.com!tom.neumann Distribution: world Message-ID: <60.36472.4949.0N1CC7B7@canrem.com> References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 23:11:00 -0500 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Lines: 28 Leavitt@maclaw.law.cuny.edu (David Leavitt) writes: DL>For those of you who are interested, Panasonic confirmed that only the VW >CD changer will work with the factory "Premium" audio radio. DL>They recently tried to get generic Panasonic CD changers to operate with >the "Premium" audio with no luck. DL>The Panasonic Tech Service Center can be reached at 714.373.7500. And to anyone that wants to see reality: Please go to York Volkswagen in Weston (part of Metropolitan Toronto, Ontario, Canada) and see the Panasonic CD player working with the Premium (Panasonic made) Am/FM Cassette. Otherwise stop in at Kromer Radio in Downtown Toronto and they will be happy to install the Panasonic CD player for you. (On another note, the 95 Premium AM/FM cassette is *NOT* made by Panasonic, and I'm pretty sure the Panasonic CD changer will NOT work with that radio. The only way to tell the Panasonic from the new one is [without pulling the radio] is by the little "nib" on the front of the cassette door. The Panasonic doesn't have one, the new radio does.) Tom --- * 1st 1.11 #3720 * I sell Volkswagens (and soon Audi & Porsche!!!) From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!jmclaugh Thu Feb 2 12:37:55 PST 1995 Article: 49821 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!jmclaugh From: jmclaugh@bcars781.bnr.ca (James McLaughlin) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD Changer & "Premium" Au Date: 1 Feb 1995 18:28:05 GMT Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3gojrl$rg@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> References: <3glhij$t5l@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> <3glrcg$i17@crl10.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcars781.bnr.ca In article <3glrcg$i17@crl10.crl.com>, Chris King wrote: >Can you tell us the exact model number of your Panasonic changer and the >approximate price? Are the savings really worthwhile, or is it just as >good to go with the VW model? > >I'm looking to get a changer for my '94 Corrado SLC (which has the >"Premium" head unit), so I am investigating all of my options. My first >choice would be to get the factory unit that is controlled through the >"Premium" radio. My dealer sells these for around $500. This should really get put in a FAQ, as I have been through this too many times to remember. The changer is the Panasonic DP60. In Canada it sells for $399, and I have seen it in the US for $299. My auto sound dealer installed it for $60. It was a whole lot cheaper than the one from VW which sells for $799 here in Canada. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim McLaughlin - Bell Northern Research - (613) 765-3493 - jmclaugh@bnr.ca From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!satisfied.elf.com!wizard.pn.com!sundog.tiac.net!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!jslinder Thu Feb 2 13:21:14 PST 1995 Article: 49916 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!satisfied.elf.com!wizard.pn.com!sundog.tiac.net!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!jslinder From: jslinder@newstand.syr.edu (Josh Linder) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: CD Changer & "Premium" Au Date: 2 Feb 1995 07:34:10 GMT Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse NY, USA Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3gq1ti$7im@newstand.syr.edu> References: <60.36472.4949.0N1CC7B7@canrem.com> Reply-To: jslinder@cs.syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Tom Neumann (tom.neumann@canrem.com) wrote: : (On another note, the 95 Premium AM/FM cassette is *NOT* made by : Panasonic, and I'm pretty sure the Panasonic CD changer will NOT work : with that radio. The only way to tell the Panasonic from the new one : is [without pulling the radio] is by the little "nib" on the front of : the cassette door. The Panasonic doesn't have one, the new radio does.) The '95 Premium Audio is made by Clarion Electronics; the eject button is wider, the faceplate is more rounded, and there is a different feel to the turn knobs. Also, the eject sequence is much faster. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- josh linder 94 passat glx skylink limited, inc. - computer consulting services ========================================================================== From usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail Thu Feb 2 13:21:43 PST 1995 Article: 49923 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: chubbard@ARL.MIL (Clifford Hubbard, Mister) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Premo CD Changer Date: 1 Feb 1995 19:59:56 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 17 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9502020159.aa24753@ADMII.ARL.MIL> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu I have been doing a little bit of research into Panasonic CD changers and VW Premium Sound head units by Matsushita. I have spoken to both Kromer Radio in Toronto as well as Matsushita Tech Support. Kromer is able to install the CXDP60EU 6 Disc changer in my 95 Golf /// for about $550 Canadian. This is great except for the fact that I live in Maryland, USA:) Also, they only sell the unit installed:( What I did learn from them was that the alteration they do to fit the changer to the head unit involve adapting the 8 pin Din plug of the changer to a 10 pin "molex" plug that fits in the back of the head unit. The two pins missing from the are for the left and right woofer speakers. I am trying to get a schematic of the din plug to see how the wires might line up. Panasonic wanted $12 dollars for the DP60 manuel. They did not say whether that info was include in the book. Would anybody be familiar with molex plugs? Perhaps I have misspelled it. Also what could be done about the missing woofer pins? Any advice on making this conversion would be greatly appreciated... Cliff Hubbard chubbard@arl.mil From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Feb 18 10:34 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25720; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 10:34:54 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HN6WWHCH0W00HRH9@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA07348 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 10:29:21 -0800 Received: from mailhost.primenet.com (root@mailhost.primenet.com [198.68.32.50]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07334 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 10:29:16 -0800 Received: from ariff.lax.primenet.com (ariff.lax.primenet.com [198.68.36.148]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14643 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:29:12 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:29:12 -0700 From: ariff@ariff.lax.primenet.com (Ariff) Subject: Re: Upgrade your stereo lately? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: ariff@mailhost.primenet.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199502181829.LAA14643@mailhost.primenet.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >To all Corrado owners, has your stock stereo been sufficient for your >listening pleasure? I am inquiring about the range of the speakers, in >particular the bass produced. My understanding is that Corrados have >four 4" speakers and two 4"x6" speakers (source: Crutchfield). This >would appear to be deficient in the bass that some of the more popular >modern music has. >So my question is: Who has added any subwoofers to their stereo, and >are they still stock or upgraded aftermarket systems? If you did add on >subwoofers, was it a Bazooka styled tube or a full size box? (I will >assume available space was a big factor in your decision. Also, are you >pleased with your decision to upgrade your system. > >If you want, you can e-mail me at: ind01682@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu >in order to keep unwanted traffic down to a minimum. Thank you in advance. > >============================================================================ >== Christopher E. Antalek == Nothing is impossible! It just may == >== Aerospace Engineer UCF == take longer or cost more than expected. == >============================================================================ > > > Well, I'm planning on upgrading my stereo in the near future.. I know a guy who is *EXTREMELY* knowledgable in car stereos and their installation. I told him that I wanted to change the head unit to something with a CD player (and of course it had to light up green:) and get more bass. Not a booming that you hear when you see low riders, but something that was all around good sounding with alot of bass when turned up loud. I wanted to keep weight down, and keep the space under the hatch.. that means no boxes, no tubes.. and I also wanted to spend around $600 (okay for him since he gets wholesale). Anyway, this is what we decided on. I'm going with an Alpine head unit with CD. As for the speakers... all the stock speakers stay. He'll be adding two Infinity or Polk 6x9's to the rear deck (hope it's strong enough) a 3x80watt amp (I think) where 2 channels will feed the 6x9's and the last channel (or two maybe) will feed the remaining stock speakers. Now because the stock speakers suck (for bass at least) he's also adding an electronic crossover to send all the lows to the 6x9's and all the highs to the stock speakers. He guarantees that they'll sound 10 times better with no bass going to them. I've been in his honda accord with a similar setup, all the factory speakers with added 6x9's an amp and crossover and it sounds amazing for not having changed the factory speakers... extremely loud and the Infinity 6x9's handle the bass very well. _________________________________________________________________ ariff@ariff.lax.primenet.com carpe diem From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Feb 20 22:15 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19447; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:15:05 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HNADX01NG000AK2S@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA01292 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:09:45 -0800 Received: from casbah.acns.nwu.edu (daemon@casbah.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.52]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA01277 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:09:39 -0800 Received: from aragorn171.acns.nwu.edu by casbah.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.11/20.3) id AA152876973; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:09:33 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:09:33 -0600 From: stlho@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Simon T. Ho) Subject: Re: Upgrade your stereo lately? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: stlho@casbah.acns.nwu.edu To: corrado-l@teleport.com Cc: ind01682@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199502210609.AA152876973@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >>To all Corrado owners, has your stock stereo been sufficient for your >>listening pleasure? I am inquiring about the range of the speakers, in >>particular the bass produced. My understanding is that Corrados have >>four 4" speakers and two 4"x6" speakers (source: Crutchfield). This >>would appear to be deficient in the bass that some of the more popular >>modern music has. >>So my question is: Who has added any subwoofers to their stereo, and >>are they still stock or upgraded aftermarket systems? If you did add on >>subwoofers, was it a Bazooka styled tube or a full size box? (I will >>assume available space was a big factor in your decision. Also, are you >>pleased with your decision to upgrade your system. I currently have an Alpine deck (forgot the model but it was pretty top), an Alpine 6 disc changer, set of MB Quart speakers: 2 tweeters + 4 midrange, an 8" powered Bazooka tube and a 2x40 PPI amp. The amp drives the 2 tweeters and the 2 midranges in the front and the deck drives the 2 rear speakers. Without the Bazooka, the bass is seriously lacking! The Corrado is very difficult to get good sound into because the original speaker wells aren't very large (especially to 2 rear ones) and the small trunk and hatchback style makes it really difficult to place bass boxes. I think, and I still believe so, that the best way to get bass is to get a Bazooka tube. I got the amplified one because my amp only had 2 channels. Anyhow, the system sounds great. The MB Quarts really do a great job on the high end and mid ranges and the Bazooka gives the low end a big (and I mean it!) boost. Simon Ho stlho@casbah.acns.nwu.edu BTW, Alpine has a decent 4 channel amp called V12 if you're interested. It's desgined to power everything from just one amp, including subwoofers. The corrado really lacks space to have a couple of amps lying around. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Feb 20 05:03 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23368; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 05:03:19 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HN9DWAL2SG00JCYX@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 05:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA24677 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:58:48 -0800 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA24668 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:58:44 -0800 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA292705092; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 07:58:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 07:58:12 -0500 From: BlackVWG60@aol.com Subject: Re: Upgrade your stereo lately? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <950220075811_26766992@aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I've got 6x9s installed on my rear deck and there doesn't seem to be any problem with the weight of them. It sounds great too. The only power they get is from my head unit which is a 20x4 Sony tape deck. I must admit that the front speakers are stock and are really kind of mushy. I'm interested to know what people have replaced those with. E S Triplett };^)' From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Mar 17 05:56 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA10539; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:56:12 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HO8CZBPJ28004IN5@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id FAA07666 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:35 -0800 Received: from gate.ti.com (news.ti.com [192.94.94.33]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA07658 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:31 -0800 Received: from lesol1.dseg.ti.com ([128.247.231.86]) by gate.ti.com (8.6.10/) with ESMTP id HAA18453 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 07:33:59 -0600 Received: from flsol1.dseg.ti.com (flsol1.dseg.ti.com [128.247.227.182]) by lesol1.dseg.ti.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA06332 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 1995 07:33:18 -0600 Received: by flsol1.dseg.ti.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21518; Fri, 17 Mar 95 07:33:18 CST Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 07:33:18 -0600 (CST) From: fzr600@flsol1.dseg.ti.com (oliver liu) Subject: Re: Radio Installation... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503171333.AA21518@flsol1.dseg.ti.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO \I have an SLC, this system is similar to the G60s, all amplification is in the Head unit. mine is (I think) listed at 100 - 120 watts. It doesn't sound anywhere close to that. I priced out an a/d/s-Sony system a while ago, wiring the head isn;t a major problem, and if you want to stick with stocked sized replacement speakers, they're easy too. The a/d/s speakers were far better than anything else I ave ever listened to (IMHO), they are a step above MB quart and the like. -Oliver From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sun Mar 19 00:52 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04334; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:52:33 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOAUZFYFTS001G76@UG.EDS.COM>; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id AAA15242 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:39:52 -0800 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com (johnny5@netcom16.netcom.com [192.100.81.129]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA15236 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:39:48 -0800 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id AAA26676; Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:38:34 -0800 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 00:38:34 -0800 (PST) From: John Leipsic Subject: Re: Radio Installation... In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sun, 19 Mar 1995, Alex Lewin wrote: > > It's easy to just pop in new speakers for the front and back, and does > > make a difference in sound quality. > > John, any recommendations on brands? I'd say go with your ears. There's been some good suggestions on the list, as well. I have some Sonys up front, and some speakers called "thumpers" in back. Here's a mod for the strong of heart: Cut into the rear deck lid and place two 8" speakers directly mounted into the lid. You know, the thing that swings up and down when you open the hatch. The trunk space provides a perfect speaker enclosure. Then, unclip the factory rear deck speakers, and place some unclippable connectors between the factory wires and the new speakers. That way, you can unclip the speakers in the rear deck lid and remove the lid for cargo space when needed. I admit I didn't do this myself, I have trouble cutting on a car. Another one I credit previous owner #2. But it sure sounds great. The Germans have this one down to an art too. In the D & W catalog, there are replacement rear deck lids already custom fitted with huge speaker arrays, just ready for substitution of the factory lid. I only saw them for Golfs and such. But the idea is the same. They use another amp in the hatch to drive these monster speaker banks. See ya'all, John From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Mar 18 19:32 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24791; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:32:51 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOAJT26X34002GK1@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA11642 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:21:10 -0800 Received: from Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM [192.9.9.64]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA11630 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:21:06 -0800 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA15285; Sat, 18 Mar 95 19:21:05 PST Received: from uffda.eng.sun.com (uffda-223.Eng.Sun.COM) by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA13531; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:21:01 -0800 Received: from homebuddy by uffda.eng.sun.com (SMI-8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id TAA01647; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:21:05 -0800 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:20:45 -0800 (PST) From: John DeStefano Subject: Re: Radio Installation... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO -} No kidding, 5.25"? Crutchfield says that our Corrados use 4" speakers in the -} fronts and dash, and 4x6" in the rears. So the 5.25" actually fits on the -} brackets? What size do you have in the hatch? I double checked and it is 5.25" speakers I replaced the Aktiv speaker/amp combininations with. I originally ordered 4" (not 3.5"--oops) speakers from Crutchfield and found that they would fit nicely in the door amplifiers which I was getting rid of. I found Crutchfield has a decent return policy. The hatch speakers were 4x6 with mountings for European cars. It sounded like Mercedes and VW used similar speakers in their dash. The Bostons were a little deeper than the stock speakers and they just fit. -} >From looking through the service manual it looked '93 SLC had the -} >amp. integrated into the head unit. No more Aktiv system I guess. -} Anyone figure out if '93 Corrado have the Aktiv system? Someone told me that -} it -} does, but I'm not sure. I also re-checked the Bentley manual and it shows that in the '92 model year that the hatch and dash speakers are driven from the door amplifiers. I guess it would explain why there isn't a fader on the head. For '93 the amplifiers are gone. The front tweater/woofer combination and the "rear speakers" all go to the head. John '92 SLC From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Mar 18 17:58 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23622; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:58:20 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOAGIV84GG003PJQ@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA00485 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:43:44 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (johnny5@netcom7.netcom.com [192.100.81.115]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00474 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:43:40 -0800 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id RAA05568; Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:42:27 -0800 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:42:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Leipsic Subject: Re: Radio Installation... In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 17 Mar 1995, Richard N. Hurt wrote: > First: I know the system is high powered (??watts??) but where is the > amp: In the head? In the door speakers? In all the speakers? Seperate > and mounted in an unknown location? The amp for the front dash speakers and rear hatch speakers is in the head unit. The door speakers have their own amp or some strange electronic panel that adjusts their frequency. It's easy to just pop in new speakers for the front and back, and does make a difference in sound quality. John From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Mar 20 08:39 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA13982; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:39:13 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOCPKC35YO003YVI@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA00569 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:19:05 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA00456 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:17:45 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.10/2.2) id QAA21999; Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:10:50 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:10:50 -40975532 (CST) From: "Steven M. Kosloske" Subject: Re: Corrado Radio In-Reply-To: <9503200914.AA16985@csupomona.edu> from "lwu2@csupomona.edu" at Mar 20, 95 01:17:53 am Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199503201610.QAA21999@mixcom.mixcom.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1202 Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > Date sent: 20-MAR-1995 > > > > Oaky, since we had that confusing discussion on the Aktiv system, now I'm > confused. It seems now that the'93 has a different head and no Aktiv system, > versus the 92's. Now my question is....Will the Panasonic DP60 changer work in > the '93 Corrado Head Unit? > > > The G60 Corrado's had the Aktiv system, it should have the "AKTIV" label on the door speakers. The head unit drives the dash and rear speakers, the door speakers have amps. I don't think the door amps work well with other speakers. Crutchfield reports the wrong size for the Corrado. Perhaps someone should call and notify them. The dash speakers are 3.5", door speakers are 5.25", the rear decks are 4x6" European mount. (only difference is where holes are, 4x6 generic speakers should fit) The later Corrado's (93 on) changed the system. They had the CD option, and I think all 6 speakers are driven from the head unit. -- (Steve Kosloske) | ------------------------------------| "There is only one good, knowledge I-net: Steven.Kosloske@mixcom.com | and one evil, ignorance." - `90 Corrado G60 | Socrates From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Mar 21 15:22 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA16930; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:22:01 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOEHWXUCCG004X9P@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA23984 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:22:11 -0800 Received: from emp1.emp.state.or.us ([199.2.178.200]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23871 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:21:47 -0800 Received: from [199.2.178.35] by emp1.emp.state.or.us (5.65/1.35) id AA15406; Tue, 21 Mar 95 14:32:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:32:43 -0800 From: schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us (Todd Schwartz) Subject: Premium Stereo Adapter Box II Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503212232.AA15406@emp1.emp.state.or.us> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Just a clarification, the adapter box being developed by Peripherals in San Diego would allow a "hard wire link" to the factory unit, allowing you to (yes, it's true) run the changer off the factory unit, in the same manner you would run a VW cd changer........I was not talking about a FM modulator....or something available through Crutchfield. As far as I know, this is the first product available which would allow this... Also, speaking of Crutchfield, they now offer Pioneer sub-woofers that fit in your spare tire rim! And there is a small (smallest I've ever seen) Pioneer sub-woofer that is made to fit in pick-ups but could work equally well in the hatch of a Corrado. I'll curious to see how these units perform. If anyone gets one, please let the list know how it works. Todd '93 VR6 SLC (Flash Red/Black Leather) schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us \\\\\\ (; <> - -_-- \ _\ - ___ ) \ / < = = => = = => = = = => -- __---- -- ) > \ / - - _-- )___ \ ,-------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PRAY FOR WIND...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Mar 21 12:28 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA12823; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:28:24 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOEBUQQESW004J9A@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA23497 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:06:22 -0800 Received: from emp1.emp.state.or.us ([199.2.178.200]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA23439 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:06:09 -0800 Received: from [199.2.178.35] by emp1.emp.state.or.us (5.65/1.35) id AA15084; Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:16:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:16:53 -0800 From: schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us (Todd Schwartz) Subject: Adapters for Premium Stereo Systems Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503212016.AA15084@emp1.emp.state.or.us> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Corrado Heads & Sam: O.K. I scanned the VW stereo thread Jan sent in (BTW - Thanks, Jan!) and didn't see any specific mention of this possibility.... A company in San Diego called Peripherals (sp?) specializes in making adapters to link factory steroe systems with after market cd changers. I don't have their number but my contact at the local steroe shop--"Hear No Evil" (great name, eh?) called them this morning and they said they have just completed work on an adapter for a '93 Corrado (I assume this means it will work with all VW Premium stereo systems). They plan to test it during the next two weeks and then presumably it will be available. I asked the guys at Hear No Evil to call me when its available. I write the list then with info on how to get the adapter. Todd '93 VR6 SLC (Flash Red/Black Leather) schwartz@emp1.emp.state.or.us \\\\\\ (; <> - -_-- \ _\ - ___ ) \ / < = = => = = => = = = => -- __---- -- ) > \ / - - _-- )___ \ ,-------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PRAY FOR WIND...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Mar 21 19:30 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22613; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:30:01 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOEQL8LJDC005079@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA28004 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:14:23 -0800 Received: from miasun.med.miami.edu (miasun.med.miami.edu [129.171.64.3]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA27986 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:14:16 -0800 Received: from newssun.med.miami.edu by miasun.med.miami.edu (4.1/4.1-rrossie) id AA24609; Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:18:19 EST Received: by newssun.med.miami.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11713; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:14:03 +0500 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:14:02 -0500 (EST) From: mszlabow@newssun.med.miami.edu (Michal Szlabowicz - Med Student) Subject: Stereo stuff Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503220314.AA11713@newssun.med.miami.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 2080 Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, With all this talk of Stereo stuff, I thought that I'd put in my $0.02 worth. The reason to change the main unit (at least for me) was to have an in-dash CD player that CONTROLS the changer, if I ever wanted to get one. The reson being that, for me just 6/10 or 12 discs is not enought, and if I am just going on a short drive, and feel like playing something specific, I just grab the JEWEL BOX, and go...I used to hang out in a local car-stereo shop, since I the owner was one of my friends, and saw many people that thouth that they would never get bored of the discs in the changer, and if they did, they could just put in a different cartridge...This plays havoc with any order you might have in your CD collection, since you have empty JEWEL cases, discs in the magazine, and so forth....So, needless to say, I just have an indash ALPINE cd player with the ability to add on a changer if I ever wanted to... Speakers....buy the best sounding speaker that you can afford, especially for the front and all hopefully from the same speaker company so you get similar tonal quality form all speakers...And as far as subs go, you can do much better by going with a custom built enclosure designed by a good car stereo shop, that will fit where you want it to (I saw the wheelwell idea 1st about 6 years ago in my friends car) and it will sound much better than anything that Pioneer, Bazooka or anybody else put together out of inferior parts... Just look at the woofer itself.... As far as amplification...throw away the whole AKIV or whatever you might have on the car, and get a good amp....Not 250 watts per channel made in Korea amplifier, but a realistically rated AMERICAN (best in high end components-not speakers) or Japanese...You will be amazed by what real 20 watts per channel will do... Got to run, Mike mszlabow@newssun.med.miami.edu p.s. If you have any questions about what I personally like as far as stereo brands just ask me, and I'll be happy to give you my recommendations.. The Corrado, it's not just a car, it's a Volkswagen... From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Mar 28 09:05 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09638; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:05:03 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HONWSPCSIO005ENX@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA04705 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:36:46 -0800 Received: from csupomona.edu (dns.is.csupomona.edu [134.71.220.15]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA04673 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:36:37 -0800 Received: by csupomona.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA07818; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:32:51 -0800 Received: from clstac.dnet by dns.dnet; Tue, 28 Mar 95 08:35:42 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:35:42 -0800 (PST) From: lwu2@csupomona.edu Subject: radio Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503281632.AA07818@csupomona.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Date sent: 28-MAR-1995 There is no way the the Panasonic DP-60 changer can work with the Premium tape deck without an adapter. The connecters are totally different. The Changer has a clock (kinda like the keyboard) and rca outputs, while the premium Matsushita head has a standard car plug input. oooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOO Lawrence Wu Email: LWU2@CSUpomona.edu Black VW Corrado SLC "Quick!!! To the Batmobile!" OOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOooo From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Mar 21 19:30 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22613; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:30:01 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOEQL8LJDC005079@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA28004 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:14:23 -0800 Received: from miasun.med.miami.edu (miasun.med.miami.edu [129.171.64.3]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA27986 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:14:16 -0800 Received: from newssun.med.miami.edu by miasun.med.miami.edu (4.1/4.1-rrossie) id AA24609; Tue, 21 Mar 95 22:18:19 EST Received: by newssun.med.miami.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11713; Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:14:03 +0500 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:14:02 -0500 (EST) From: mszlabow@newssun.med.miami.edu (Michal Szlabowicz - Med Student) Subject: Stereo stuff Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503220314.AA11713@newssun.med.miami.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 2080 Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, With all this talk of Stereo stuff, I thought that I'd put in my $0.02 worth. The reason to change the main unit (at least for me) was to have an in-dash CD player that CONTROLS the changer, if I ever wanted to get one. The reson being that, for me just 6/10 or 12 discs is not enought, and if I am just going on a short drive, and feel like playing something specific, I just grab the JEWEL BOX, and go...I used to hang out in a local car-stereo shop, since I the owner was one of my friends, and saw many people that thouth that they would never get bored of the discs in the changer, and if they did, they could just put in a different cartridge...This plays havoc with any order you might have in your CD collection, since you have empty JEWEL cases, discs in the magazine, and so forth....So, needless to say, I just have an indash ALPINE cd player with the ability to add on a changer if I ever wanted to... Speakers....buy the best sounding speaker that you can afford, especially for the front and all hopefully from the same speaker company so you get similar tonal quality form all speakers...And as far as subs go, you can do much better by going with a custom built enclosure designed by a good car stereo shop, that will fit where you want it to (I saw the wheelwell idea 1st about 6 years ago in my friends car) and it will sound much better than anything that Pioneer, Bazooka or anybody else put together out of inferior parts... Just look at the woofer itself.... As far as amplification...throw away the whole AKIV or whatever you might have on the car, and get a good amp....Not 250 watts per channel made in Korea amplifier, but a realistically rated AMERICAN (best in high end components-not speakers) or Japanese...You will be amazed by what real 20 watts per channel will do... Got to run, Mike mszlabow@newssun.med.miami.edu p.s. If you have any questions about what I personally like as far as stereo brands just ask me, and I'll be happy to give you my recommendations.. The Corrado, it's not just a car, it's a Volkswagen... From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Mar 29 07:34 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA01979; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 07:34:28 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOP7WEM10W0063H8@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 07:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id HAA20419 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 07:21:11 -0800 Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (root@mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA20408 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 07:21:06 -0800 Received: from .interramp.com (ip67.herndon2.va.interramp.com [38.11.2.67]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id KAA25013 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:20:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:20:53 -0500 From: catanf@rpi.edu (Francesco Catanzaro) Subject: Thanks. Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: catanf@mail1.its.rpi.edu To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199503291520.KAA25013@mail1.its.rpi.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well, Thank You all for the information. I have some magazine subscribing to do. Just to put my two cents in: I designed a preamp/input module that fits right in the ashtray of my 1992 SLC. I will be using it to attach my portable CD player directly to the AKTIV speaker amplifier, bypassing the radio. There is also a switch that switches this scheme on or off, so you can use your regular tape player. This gizmo is discreet, and provided you do not need the ashtray to smoke, it robs no space. Also the sound quality achieved is superior to using one of those ugly and cumbersome cassette to CD adapters. Also, there is a fader in the ashtray for f/r. This is not really specific to Corrados, except in the sense that this is one of the few cars where the amps are not factory built into the radios. I can mail schematics on how to mod your car to fit this nicely. It is a middle of the road solution to actually putting an in-dash unit, and everything will cost about $10. I'll be adding a slelctable voltage output, so that I can use different devices with it. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Mar 29 14:56 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14191; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:56:00 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOPNBSOF7K004A4M@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA21239 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:33:57 -0800 Received: from cpdsc.com (sun001.cpdsc.com [198.4.54.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA21206 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:33:48 -0800 Received: from sun004.cpdsc.com by cpdsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23734; Wed, 29 Mar 95 15:32:49 CST Received: from pc010.CPDSC.COM (pce010) by sun004.cpdsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12062; Wed, 29 Mar 95 15:33:26 CST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:42:01 -0600 (CST) From: djones@sun004.cpdsc.com Subject: Re: Heidelberg Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9503292142.0147AC@pc010.CPDSC.COM> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: SelectMAIL 1.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >From: lwu2@csupomona.edu >Date: 29 Mar 95 >Subject: Re: Stripped Corrado >To: corrado-l@teleport.com >>Can someone tell me what brand is Heidelberg? Is it an European company or >>something? Is it good(better than Sony, Panasonic, Alpine?)? I am getting a 93 >>corrado vr6 soon and it has the Heidelberg player in it... > >>John Lai. >> Soon to be the owner of a 93 Corrado vr6 > >I hate the damn thing because the CD changer costs $500US. But it's decent. I >wish it had a line out. Or does it? It's a Matsushita thing, so it's a >Panasonic in a sense. > To elaborate a little more Heidelberg is the model name of the stereo, named after the city. The VW stereos used to be manufactured by Blaupunkt thats where VW got the convention of naming the stereos after citys, Blaupunkt still does this. Now many of the VW stereos, including the Hiedelberg, are made by Matsushita Corp. japan. Matsushita is a gigantic conglomerate company that makes the Panasonic and JVC brands, as well as manufacturing many complete products for other name brands. I was once told by a electronics technician that about half of all the VCR name brands are actually made by matsushita. I believe the stereo and the AC compressor are the only Japanese assemblies on the Corrados. ====================================================================== Doug Jones 91 Corrado G60 ...Black auto/roof/cd/mats djones@cpdsc.com 81 Scirocco S ...Silver nothing doug.jones@chrysalis.org djones64@aol.com Dallas, Texas oooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOO Lawrence Wu Email: LWU2@CSUpomona.edu Black VW Corrado SLC "Quick!!! To the Batmobile!" OOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOooo From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Mar 30 12:44 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA06207; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 12:44:14 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HOQX0SU5PS006C9G@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 12:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA16386 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 12:17:43 -0800 Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (root@mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA16378 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 12:17:39 -0800 Received: from .interramp.com (ip56.herndon2.va.interramp.com [38.11.2.56]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id PAA28540 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:17:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:17:25 -0500 From: catanf@rpi.edu (Francesco Catanzaro) Subject: Radio Mods Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: catanf@mail1.its.rpi.edu To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199503302017.PAA28540@mail1.its.rpi.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well, I didn't think there was going to be so much demand for the schematics I offered. They are a little messy so I will clean them up and post them at a TBD FTP site or WEB site. I should have it ready by Monday or Tuesday. I will let everybody know where this will be at. For the time being, here is a starting exercise: The hardest (or most annoying) part is routing a wire from the radio compartment to the ashtray compartment. Punching holes is not fun or easy around this area. Anyhow, get 8 conductor shielded wire and route it through. This is 50% of the work right there. This will keep everyone busy until I can scan and post my mods. Also, you might want to buy some parts to start with: A 4PDT Relay from RS (12 volt, make sure!), a small spst or spdt toggle an LED of your choice, 330Ohm resistor. RCA Jacks (or 1/8", your choice) 2- 100k Stereo Volume potentiometers. This is all from Radio Shock. The other part which might be bothersome is if you don't have PCB building experience, it might be a pain to make the preamp part. If you have a high enough output from your CD player, you may not need this, but I haven't tried without it yet. I will post wiring schematics and preamp parts list ASAP... Later, Francesco Catanzaro 1992 SLC From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Apr 6 14:12 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11281; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:12:10 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HP0RRHMPOW006EMQ@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 06 Apr 1995 13:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA24698 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 13:57:32 -0700 Received: from rfd.oit.umass.edu (rfd.oit.umass.edu [128.119.175.3]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA24680 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 13:57:26 -0700 Received: from phobos.oit.umass.edu by rfd.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #6523) id <01HP0XY656B400KKGT@rfd.oit.umass.edu>; Thu, 06 Apr 1995 16:57:21 -0400 Received: from phobos.oit.umass.edu by phobos.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #6523) id <01HP0XXV4CAOBWAOOV@phobos.oit.umass.edu>; Thu, 06 Apr 1995 16:56:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 16:56:48 -0400 From: Nathan Winters Subject: Stereo setup Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <01HP0XXVEZMABWAOOV@phobos.oit.umass.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Vms-To: IN%"corrado-l@teleport.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >> >> Is matsushita better than sony? >> >Certainly as good as a mid level SONY but frankly I placed >my SONY 5600 head unit (top of the line 4 or 5 years ago, >Dolby B, C, amorphous head, etc) with 10 disk changer in > I have a Sony head unit, an XR7500 it also has Dolby B, C, amorphous head (whatever that is). It isn't powered so I have it running the front fader to an Alpine 60w amp that powers the six Corrado stock speakers. The bass is turned all the way down so virtually no base comes out of these speakers. The rear fader from the head unit runs to a Rockford Fosgate 75w bridged amp that powers a 10" bass tube. With this setup the stock speakers have a light load and sound great with just the highs and the bass tube provides more than enough clean bass. The setup also has a Sony 10 disk changer, CDXA100. I am more than happy with this setup. It's great for all kinds of music. Duran Duran, Police, classic rock to techno, everything sound very clean. nwinters@student.umass.edu '90 Yellow G60 From bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews Thu Apr 6 17:52:20 PDT 1995 Article: 3502 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B9 05/16/94 VAX/VMS V1.5; site bbs.ug.eds.com Path: bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: [w] Good Stereo Installs Message-ID: <3lt1sp$4v7@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> From: Marek_gh@ix.netcom.com (Gerald Marek) Date: 5 Apr 1995 03:13:29 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Netcom NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-atl2-07.ix.netcom.com Lines: 31 In <3lj8b2$68j@newsbf02.news.aol.com> racertodd@aol.com (RacerTodd) writes: > >kwatson@wv.mentorg.com (Keith Watson) writes: > >>Has anybody in the group installed a stereo in a water cooled car >>and competed with it? Or does anybody just have an audiophile >>install? I'm interested in learning what people have done with >>there systems to get the most improvement in sound quality. So >>here are a couple of questions. >>Where have you placed sound deadening material which makes the >>most improvement? >>Where did you place the front speaker separates and where did >>you aim them? Also, how did you mount them? I have a '90 Corrado. I am a big Quart fan - I think for the $$$ they are the best speakers out there. They have a stealth set of speakers, which mount the tweeter on top of a midrange / midbass speaker. I used the 4 1/2 and tweeter stealth combo in the top speaker location (window) and mounted their 5 1/4 woofer (no tweeter) in the provided door hole. I then mounted their 6 1/2 stealth combo in a fiberglass box (very small) in the rear 4 x 6 hole. I belive that mounting the speakers in the factory location is the way to go. A center channel is hidden in the defroster air vent. Sounds great, while it still looks stock. All is driven by an eclipse 415 / Eclipse 10 in custom box and a High current amp (oops forgott the name). You want your tweeter to be on the same plane and close to a major speaker. That really helps immaging. Try going with the stealth Quart sets. They have sounded great in every application I have ever heard. Also more power is not the answer, but rather get a clear amp with much headroom. Gerald '90 Corrado From bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!not-for-mail Thu Apr 6 18:34:56 PDT 1995 Article: 3656 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B9 05/16/94 VAX/VMS V1.5; site bbs.ug.eds.com Path: bbs.ug.eds.com!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado audio system Message-ID: <3lugrd$2936@acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca> From: whquek@acs.ucalgary.ca (Wei Hsiung Quek) Date: 5 Apr 1995 10:34:53 -0600 References: <3lp3t0$n54@news.duke.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary NNTP-Posting-Host: acs6.acs.ucalgary.ca Lines: 26 best bet is to go with a proper cd or cassette player that controls a changer. these sets are not that expensive anymore. fm modulation is a fantastic idea but when you get close to a station that broadcasts in or around the frequency of your cd changer fm modulator, expect to find a lot of noise. some fm modulators come with controls that let you switch the frequency but that could be a lot of hassle. besides, you get cleaner sound if you do it with a cd / cassette player with changer controller. it's not that expensive anymore and the sound quality topples the heidelberg by far! yes, the mb quarts are fantastic speakers and work very well. problem is, on corrados, the door openings are so small that fitting a 5.25" driver would be a big task. solution is to build a fibreglass kickpanel that could house the tweets and mids on the same plane for optimum imaging. everything boils down to how much you want to pay. if you ever get mb quarts, make sure you get the competition crossovers--they are much better than the one that came in the box. Wei Quek 90 G60 From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Apr 7 15:10 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02464; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:10:00 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HP283O3CCW00920H@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 07 Apr 1995 14:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id KAA26846 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:06:51 -0700 Received: from amcc.com (ftp.amcc.com [192.195.69.101]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA26523 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:05:46 -0700 Received: from wedge.amcc.com by amcc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12385; Fri, 7 Apr 95 10:01:34 PDT Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 10:05:37 -0700 (PDT) From: rich@amcc.com Subject: VW Audio Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com (Corrado list) Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9504071701.AA12385@amcc.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hey all, I had some time so I went to the ftp site and got the VW audio note here are some relavent portions (ftp.lap.umd.edu cd /Public/vw_archives) ne tip: When using separates in the front of the Corrado the Mids and Tweets are quite a ways apart (when the tweet is in the factory dash spkr location), I've been told that reversing the phase on the tweeter (swapping the positive and negative leads) will give you a better phasing of the front speakers. Another thought, I bet the changer would be more resistant to skipping if it was mounted in a more solid location (back of seat, corner of trunk, etc.). I DID it! The door panel comes off by: 1. Open the door 2. remove all the screws around the perimeter of the door. 3. pull the plastic cover off of the interior door panel. 4. remove the screws in the handle. 5. remove the plastic cover near the side mirror. 6. pull of the door panel 7. remove the metal baffle. 8. Voila! Door speaker! rganization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Lines: 26 Robert M. Briber writes: RR>The premium radio that VW has been making for a few years now can >control a trunk mounted CD changer. Both parts are made by >Panasonic but they are designed to work with eachother and not with >other Panasonic parts. In other words an off the shelf Panasonic CD >changer will not work with the VW head unit. There has been some >discussion of this on the net and one person even hooked a system >up. The VW head unit would operate the Panasonic changer with >limited funcionality but the >head unit did not display correctly as to what the changer was doing >or where you where (i.e. which CD/which track). At our dealership, we have a local stereo store that installs the Panasonic model DP60. (This is a six-disc changer.) I don't know if they have to do any modifications to the wiring, but it installs and works perfectly with the VW supplied Premium AM/FM Cassette. All the functions work correctly and the display reports all the proper info (CD, track, etc.) We sell the unit installed for $600.00 (Canadian $). If anyone finds a stock non-VW changer that works with the VW > head unit, or a solution to the update problem described above, > I'd be very interested in knowing. The CX DP60 works fine with the VW Premium Cassette. If you are up in Toronto I'll show it to you working just fine;if you want to have one installed we'll do it for $600 Canadian plus tax (15%). If you or anyone else want to arrange this please call me at (416)741-7480 Tom Neumann York Volkswagen 1950 Wilson Ave. Weston, Ontario <---- this is in Metropolitan Toronto M9M 1B2 By the way, if you didn't see the thread a while back the Panasonic CX DP-60 six pack CD changer very definatly can be made to work properly in every respect with the Volkswagen Premium AM/FM Cassette with CD changer. I've sold a few and we have one running at the dealership to show people. I spoke with the installer, and while he didn't tell me exactly what they had to do to adapt it, he told me that it was just a matter of getting the wires right. He had an adapter that just routed the wires properly. Tom Please go to York Volkswagen in Weston (part of Metropolitan Toronto, Ontario, Canada) and see the Panasonic CD player working with the Premium (Panasonic made) Am/FM Cassette. Otherwise stop in at Kromer Radio in Downtown Toronto and they will be happy to install the Panasonic CD player for you. (On another note, the 95 Premium AM/FM cassette is *NOT* made by Panasonic, and I'm pretty sure the Panasonic CD changer will NOT work with that radio. The only way to tell the Panasonic from the new one is [without pulling the radio] is by the little "nib" on the front of the cassette door. The Panasonic doesn't have one, the new radio does.) Hope this helps if someone in the Toronto area is inclined to check this out keep us posted. -Ric From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Apr 11 14:43 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03495; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:43:37 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HP7SOL94CG007VCT@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA14417 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:26:25 -0700 Received: from ids.net (ids.net [155.212.1.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA14387 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:26:14 -0700 Received: from [155.212.90.116] by 155.212.90.116 with SMTP; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 17:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:26:14 -0700 From: KBRISSON@ids.net (Kevin Brisson) Subject: Re: Radio Installation... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >I got an Alpine system installed in my Corrado a month ago. It was the 3400 >with the 6 disc changer. One installer wanted to take my door panels appart >to the dare metal in order to bypass the amps. I didn't want that becasue it >might not re-fit perfefctly like before. So I went to an Alpine specialist >and he re-wired the whole system with only playing with the wires coming out >of the radio. > My system sounds much better, but I still have no bass. I have 2 options: > 1) get 4-way Pioneer 6X9s installed in my rear lid panel, or 2) get a >Bazooka tube in the back. > >One thing about the 6X9 is there's a graeter chance that someone might break >into my car. But with the Bazooka, I would loose a bit of trunk space. Mt >friend had his Corrado broken into where they stole his radio and CD changer >from the rear passenger window. But he got another system and the 6X9s sound >awsome. >How do the 6X9s compare with the Bazooka? > >BTW, I paid $780.00 installed. > > >>I don't like the aftermarket stuff, because they are not flush. >I just hate >how >>they look, sticking out and all. > > My Alpine looks great, and it matches my dash nicely, except for the >britness control which I lost. But I rarely dim my dash lights. > >Happig I'd opt for the bass tube if I had to make this choice. My Pioneer CD deck looks rather nice in the dash with its rounded bezel. Kevin '92 G60 Pioneer/Altec Lansing/JBL/Polk Audio/ads 330 watts From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed May 17 08:29 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04877; Wed, 17 May 1995 08:29:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HQLQ4TMIKW000UAQ@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 17 May 1995 08:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA16682 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 1995 08:16:41 -0700 Received: from amcc.com (ftp.amcc.com [192.195.69.101]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA16666 for ; Wed, 17 May 1995 08:16:36 -0700 Received: from wedge.amcc.com by amcc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11598; Wed, 17 May 95 08:12:11 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 08:16:41 -0700 (PDT) From: rich@amcc.com Subject: Preimum Stereo Update Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com (Corrado list) Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9505171512.AA11598@amcc.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ok, Perifereals in San Diego has finaly completed the adapter box to enable use of the VW Priemum Stero with an aftermarket CD changer. There are two flavors one for the Pre 94 stereos a Panisonic unit identified by a flat cassette door. The other flavor is Clarion the clarion unit has a little nub on the cassette door. You could also pop the stero out and look one says Matsuta and the othe says Clarion. You can reach Periferials by calling (619)695-2133. Ask for Mark. The cables are not readily available because one end of the connector is only used overseas and are on order. Hope this helps. -Ric rich@amcc.com 95 Jetta GLX 68 Porsche 912 72 Ghia From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Jun 7 21:29 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04728; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 21:29:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRFTGJ5DCW006448@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 07 Jun 1995 21:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA22800 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 21:21:45 -0700 Received: from bronco.is (bronco.is.csupomona.edu [134.71.220.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA22777 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 21:21:38 -0700 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 1995 21:18:02 -0700 From: lwu2@csupomona.edu (Lawrence Wu) Subject: Panasonic changer and stuff Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <95060721180240@csupomona.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Vms-To: CORRADO Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I went down to pick up a DP60 changer for my premium head and got it for $235, not bad at all. Thanks Ric, and also Mike at Peripherals (for letting me test a prototype). He says the it could be another 2 months for the retail ones (last I heard). While I was down there, next door there is this new car fix up shop that I visited. They're really cool there and they do have pretty good prices and the owner says he'll definitely do mail order, so mail me if you want the info (So not to break the "no advertising on Corrado-l" rule). Actually I was astonished at the new price list from APS. The P-flows are $149, and the ones with an air pump are $189. Did they just decide to raise the price or is there something different now? Lawrence Wu LWU2@CSUpomona.edu Corrado SLC Black/Black Leather "Wind- In my hair- Shifting and drifting- Mechanical music- Adrenalin surge..." From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jun 27 16:14 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA18289; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:14:35 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HS7GATXXDS00AH71@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA23651 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:00:26 -0700 Received: from earth.willamette.edu (root@earth.willamette.edu [158.104.100.101]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA23557 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:00:05 -0700 Received: from jupiter (therzog@jupiter.willamette.edu [158.104.1.1]) by earth.willamette.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with SMTP id PAA10850 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 15:59:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 15:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Herzog Subject: Re: '92 G60 Front Speakers In-Reply-To: <950627180749_103504591@aol.com> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Boston Accoustics seperates... Well, I had it done professionally since I didn't know at the time, but since then I have figured it out (chasing rattles, etc). The front tweeter grilles just "pop" out. Use some sort of device a little less crude compare to the flat head screwdriver I normally use. As for the doors.. hmm.. the grille slids forward, exposing the speaker. I *think* the speaker is in the goodies compartment attached to the door. I usually end up taking apart the whole door (which actually takes about 3-4 minutes). The "ih shit!" handle front pops off, remove the screws. The plastic trim to the door handle slides (forward?). Don't worry about the window switches, they can be unplugged from the back. Remove the door lock plunger top by unscrewing. The door panel lifts straight UP and then lifts off. Sorry this isn't really detailed, my front midrange driver had to be stuffed into the hole and the electrical wiring was completely modified to accept external amplification. I have \a\d\s 320i seperates int eh front.. I would recommend this kind of setup to ANY corrado owner. Not specifically this brand, as there are many good seperates our there. Get a good tweeter and a midrange driver that are matched. The maximum size is about 4" on the midrange driver (might be 5 1/4" - not totally sdure) and you'll have to permanently alter the doors, but it looks stock when you're done if you keep the proginal grille (which rattles a little with the extended bass sounds). The Corrado has a great front stage area, and I can almost not even hear the rear factory speakers (which I kept for fill) when the music is at a reasonable level. As for as installing goes, mostof the door seems to come apart the way you might think.. there's nothign too complex aboutit. Just don't force anything - look for clips before you pull to o hard. Hope this helps. Tom From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jun 27 16:53 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA18740; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:53:35 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HS7HNFZ7AO00BGJR@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA08436 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:46:45 -0700 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (root@netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA08424 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:46:41 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA07771; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:45:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:46:44 -0700 From: bdunning@netcom.com (Brian Dunning) Subject: Re: '92 G60 Front Speakers Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: bdunning@localhost To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >I just got some Boston Acoustics separates for my Corrado. >I tried to take the speakers out of the door but I cannot figure out how to >get them out of the side door cassette/junk holder. I didn't want to force >anything and end up breaking the plastic pieces. Does anyone know how the >remove them? Indeed. I have a 92 SLC, as far as I know the procedure should be the same. You can't get at the speaker from outside the door; you'll have to get in from behind. First, remove the screws from around the outer edge of the door panel. I think there are two on the back edge of the door, two in front, and I think there's one longer one in the front also. You also have to pop off that plastic triangle in the front corner of the window. Next, pry off the cover of the inside door handle, and remove the two huge screws that hold it on. Don't take off the lock button, or unhook anything from the top half of the door panel, or you'll regret it! Lift the door panel off from the tabs that hold it along its bottom, and now you're free to swing it out away from the door, leaving it attached at the top. As you can see, there's very little room for a speaker enclosure other than the stock unit (which should be thrown for distance). It's also a pain to figure out a way to mount the new driver. You can remove the plastic pocket piece that holds the speaker and take it inside to try and figure something out. I epoxied wooden shims around the speaker opening so that I could rigidly screw the drivers on to the plastic pocket piece. Then I built a stiff cardboard (yes, sounds silly but it works great) enclosure over the back of the driver, as big as I could possibly get to fit inside the door. >Secondly, How do you get those front dash grills out? I'm talking about the >ones up by the windshield. Those black screens just lift out, try gently prying with a screwdriver. The driver is easily accessible underneath. If you get stuck, you can call me at 714-854-4784. I've done this three or four times (with the same Boston separates, I might add). Brian Dunning bdunning@netcom.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Jun 29 09:10 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA15982; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:10:08 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HS9U1RK8E80070W9@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA29888 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:52:40 -0700 Received: from earth.willamette.edu (root@earth.willamette.edu [158.104.100.101]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA29820 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:52:27 -0700 Received: from jupiter (therzog@jupiter.willamette.edu [158.104.1.1]) by earth.willamette.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA27649 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:52:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Herzog Subject: Re: front speaker seperates In-Reply-To: <9506290558.AA21062@sopwith.UUCP> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Snoopy wrote: > > I have \a\d\s 320i seperates int eh front.. > > > you'll have to permanently alter the doors > > Can you describe what "alter" involves? I would > love to have a/d/s speakers in my car. Well I wish I could be a lot of help here, but I didn't do the install. I know that the shop had to cut away the hole in the door panel (that cardboard-type stuff) a little so the magnet would fit, and they added a very small bracket to hold the speaker driver in the door. I now have a small black screw in the door side storage compartments facing forward. The plastic door side storage compartments also had to be 'cut away' a little in the area behind the speaker grille, but the stock grilles fit fine still. Basically you just make more room, and it is up to you to be creative. You end up making new screw holes from the back of the door panel to hold the speaker, and you cut away some stuff.. it all works withouth making it apparent to the outside though, since the storage compartment comes all the way to the front of the door panel. They told me that I'd never be able to go back to stock (oh gee, bummer!) and that I couoldn't go much bigger than the driver I used. The wiring is pretty tricky too, since all of the amplification is done from the Heidleberg (sp?) stereo. If you keep the head unit (or add a new one) and use it for the amplification, then you shouldn't have to change the wiring other than to get a few connectors to attach to the a/d/s/ crossovers. I know this is weak, but I hope it helps. I've taken the things apart to move the crossovers that they left banging aroundinside the door to inside above the foot wells on each side. It doesn't look that bad, just be careful when you trim away stuff. Tom From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Jun 29 10:41 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA18253; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:41:58 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HS9X9GI0PS00B5G1@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id KAA23884 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:26:10 -0700 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com (root@netcom4.netcom.com [192.100.81.107]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA23809 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:25:48 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA19191; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:24:26 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:25:45 -0700 From: bdunning@netcom.com (Brian Dunning) Subject: Re: front speaker seperates Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: bdunning@localhost To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Well I wish I could be a lot of help here, but I didn't do the install. I >know that the shop had to cut away the hole in the door panel (that >cardboard-type stuff) a little so the magnet would fit, and they added a >very small bracket to hold the speaker driver in the door. I now have a >small black screw in the door side storage compartments facing forward. >The plastic door side storage compartments also had to be 'cut away' a >little in the area behind the speaker grille, but the stock grilles fit >fine still. Basically you just make more room, and it is up to you to be >creative. You end up making new screw holes from the back of the door >panel to hold the speaker, and you cut away some stuff.. it all works >withouth making it apparent to the outside though, since the storage >compartment comes all the way to the front of the door panel. WOW! I installed the 5.25" Boston separates in the front, but I sure didn't have to do any of the destruction your installer did. My installer just set the drivers in there without attempting to secure or seal them, so I redid the whole thing myself. I epoxied some small wooden shims around the inside of the stock speaker cutout to allow me to screw the driver into place, sealed around the edge with foam, then built a stiff cardboard enclosure around the back of the driver. The whole thing is only a tiny bit bigger than the stock unit, and it fits fine without cutting ANYTHING away. If I had to for some strange reason, I could replace the stocks without a problem. Brian Dunning bdunning@netcom.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Jul 10 09:43 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24035; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 09:43:44 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HSP8G25WSG000SVB@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 09:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id JAA05216 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 09:28:16 -0700 Received: from datatrek.com ([204.31.148.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA05206 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 09:28:12 -0700 Received: from @datatrek.com (lleff [204.33.81.133]) by datatrek.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA12425 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 09:27:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 09:27:10 -0700 From: lleff@datatrek.com (Lawrence Leff) Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: lleff@datatrek.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199507101627.JAA12425@datatrek.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO From: tom.trawinski@syncomm.com (TOM TRAWINSKI) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 95 22:50:00 -0400 Subject: Corrado CD Changer m/l Hi, Can someone explain exactly where VW mounts the CD changer in a Corrado??? I believe its in the trunk, but I am looking for more specifics: how (ie vertical or horizontal) and where (below left shock, for example). Thanks, Tom 1993 Corrado SLC 1988 Scirocco 16V Tom: I've got a 93 SLC that has the dealer installed CD Changer (looks like a pioneer 6 disk with the VW name on it). I don't know if there is more than 1 space for it, but this particular dealer installed it on the far left side of the trunk - all the way in the back for easy access from the hatch. I've wanted to move it off of the trunk floor (more storage room), but my idea of mounting it horizontally under the left rear speaker won't work -- the unit HAS TO be mounted vertically. The dealer mounted it with the magazine door facing forward & the cable tucking nicely under the carpet. All in all, I'm pretty happy with their location. Larry! Lawrence E. Leff Account Manager Data Trek, Inc. 5838 Edison Place Carlsbad, CA 92008 Toll free: 800-876-5484 (North America only) Telephone: 619-431-8400 Fax: 619-431-8448 email: lleff@datatrek.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Aug 14 14:04 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA13824; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:04:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HU2DM7UGK0001ZRM@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA23133 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:54:27 -0700 Received: from thepoint.net ([198.6.9.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA23093 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:54:18 -0700 Received: from line05.sburg.thepoint.net by thepoint.net (5.4R3.00/) id AA17046; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:51:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:51:57 -0400 From: bwhite@thepoint.net (Brian J White) Subject: Re: Corrado Radio Questions Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: bwhite@thepoint.net To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9508142051.AA17046@thepoint.net> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I'm about to order a Panasonic aftermarket CD changer and special cable >from Peripherals for my SL and I have a couple of questions: > 1. The stereo in my SLC is a Matshushito, so this means its a > Panasonic, correct? If not the what kind is it? Matsushita is the parent company of Panasonic, Technics, and various other electronic enterprises in the world. Yes...Panasonic is the correct one...if it interfaces with the VW Premium CD-changer control type. > > 2. How do I operate the CD changer? Assuming the changer is just > loaded with six discs, I turn on the radio and press the MODE > button until it switched to the changer. But then what buttons > on the radio control the changer (ie for next song, or next disc, etc.)? > The documentation says nothing about it. VW's usually come with a separate brochure detailing the audio system installed in the car due to extreme variations with some of them. Usually, fast forward and rewind for the tape are track up/back and disc select is the 1-6 presets. > 3. Does anyone have the special cable and if so where on the back of > the radio does it mount? Mine has a 10 pin male connection that > is not being used so I suppose that's it. Have no clue...ripped all that VW crap out and put in a Sony head unit/cd changer. Plus my car is a 1992 and we didnt have the CD changer option. I dont think. Brian From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Aug 29 06:29 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24585; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:29:11 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HUMW7N2D28002E17@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id GAA04278 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:21:36 -0700 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA04265 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:21:33 -0700 Received: from snail.Sun.COM by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id GAA29739; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:20:55 -0700 Received: from UK.Sun.COM (sunuk) by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20980; Tue, 29 Aug 95 06:20:51 PDT Received: from sunscot.UK.Sun.COM by UK.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk110) id AA09617; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:21:06 +0100 Received: from muck.uk.sun.com by sunscot.UK.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-5.0-sec(uk - sec)) id AA12739; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:21:03 +0100 Received: by muck.uk.sun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA04752; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:20:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:20:46 +0100 From: David.Joseph@UK.Sun.COM (David Joseph - Sun UK) Subject: Re:Door Speakers Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199508291320.OAA04752@muck.uk.sun.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Status: RO Stephen, Replacing the door speakers is fairly straight forward. Watch out for the hidden screw in the speaker moulding and have a narrow placstic tube for aligning the lock button on refit. I have MB-Quart custom VW replacements....Good sound. Dj 95 VR6 From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Sep 8 05:32 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14143; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 05:32:01 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HV0T5HYUZ4005CED@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 08 Sep 1995 05:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA21914 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 05:25:20 -0700 Received: from LAKEHD ([204.40.216.75]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA21909 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 05:25:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 08:13:09 -0400 From: jcampaner@lakehd.lhbe.edu.on.ca (JOHN CAMPANER-PROGRAMMER/ANALYST) Subject: Re: CD player: dash or changer? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <95090808130961@lakehd.lhbe.edu.on.ca> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Vms-To: SMTP%"corrado-l@teleport.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Ahhh... Probably nothing to do with them... usually when you hook into the >PRE-out's it disables the amplified outputs. Dunno for sure on your's, but >it does on the Alpines. Well, I'm feeling optimistic about that...In the literature, it shows the units pre-outs driving an amplifier which runs subwoofers and the other 4 30W speaker output driving full-range speakers as one of the possible configurations....I guess it depends on the individual unit. A friend of mine has a '94 GTI with the new-style VW "Premium" Audio system with CD changer control (I assume this radio is used in all VWs). He didn't get it with the VW CD changer option (if its even available). However, he was able to install a Panasonic CD changer which works perfectly with the CD changer control. If anyone would like the model # and cabling info, let me know! John From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Sep 13 17:38 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24982; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:38:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HV8HXKMQ5C007XXM@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA28400 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:49:49 -0700 Received: from netmail2.microsoft.com (netmail2.microsoft.com [131.107.1.13]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28310 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:49:36 -0700 Received: by netmail2.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA14529; Tue, 12 Sep 95 13:44:39 -0700 Received: by netmail2 using fxenixd 1.0 Tue, 12 Sep 95 13:44:39 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 12:05:00 TZ From: Scott Stiles Subject: Update on my speaker purchase... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9509122044.AA14529@netmail2.microsoft.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Msmail-Message-Id: 022A1F13 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 022A1F13 X-Msxmtid: red-19-msg950912190735MTP[01.00.00]000000a7-43228 Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thanks for all the responses regarding my request for information on how to best place speakers in the front of the Corrado. I initially was planning on installing a separate system in the door of the C, but I did an about face and ended up installing some MBQ 100.20? 4" 2-way "stealth kit" speakers in the dash locations previously occupied by the tweeters. Why: It's a great location for imaging purposes, much better than the doors, or a door/dash layout. You also benefit from the mid&tweet signals being very close to each other (or right on top of each other in my case). The speakers drop right in, BUT you do need to modify the grilles a bit to clear the speaker housing and the tweeter's protrusion. I'm currently driving them with the stock deck, next step will be amplification and some bass fill (JL 8-6 (dual voice coil) in the trunk). Final step will be a new head unit (CD), and possibly some 5.25" mid/bass drivers in the doors for some extra front mid/bass fill. The Quarts sound great, mid/high is *much* improved, with the bass suffering suprisingly little. BTW, the car is a '93 VR6, with the non-activ system. Scott. scottst@microsoft.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Sep 15 08:48 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19970; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:48:34 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HVAS3JO8S0005E2P@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA13780 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:40:54 -0700 Received: from dax.cc.uakron.edu (r3tkz@dax.cc.uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA13770 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:40:51 -0700 Received: by dax.cc.uakron.edu (5.65/Ultrix4.3) id AA03827; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:43:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Zarkovacki Subject: Mods Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: Corrado Group Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well after the undergoing numerous changes and modifications my G60 is where I want it. I installed the Neuspeed P-Chip, Neuspeed Upper Stress Bar, HP Kit, Autotech Sporttuned Exhaust, Moda M1 15 x 7 's with Sumitomo 205/50ZR15's. I also tuned up the radio with a Clarion 5740 Head Unit and 6 Disk Changer which is mounted under the rear armrest. Excellent Spot. Lastly I installed Bass-Blockers on all my 4x6 speakers and a Pioneer Space Saver Subwoofer. It is an awesome system. I installed a Alphasonic amp and Profile Crossover for my Sub. The result is crisp clean highs, ok mids, and very decent bass response. More importantly, my car runs and handles like a charm. I estimate it is pushing 200+ with all the mods. The exhaust sounds awesome at idle and is really throaty. As you accelerate is quiets down except under heavy acceleration. The only thing that sucks is that at 65-70 MPH it is quite loud when going up hills with other passengers or weight. The easiest fix is to speed up to 75-80 MPH where it gets considerably quiter. I recently drove to Tennessee from Ohio and I was a awesome trip. Four suitcases, 3 passengers 80 MPH , tunes cranked up == an awesome cruiser. I have been very busy lately with my car, computer and school so I haven't been as active as I would like to be in this group. Future plans for my G60 may include a Eurospec head with new cam, 215/45ZR15 Zeros, lowering springs , sway bars, and several dark coats of deep purple paint. However this will have to wait for quite a while. Ohh. Well . It is nice to think about. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Zarkovacki The University of Akron r3tkz@dax.uakron.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Sep 21 23:35 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA21131; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:35:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HVK0QMDDK0008KKP@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA26344 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:29:05 -0700 Received: from cis.usouthal.edu (cis.usouthal.edu [192.245.221.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA26336 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:29:02 -0700 Received: by cis.usouthal.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04919; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 01:28:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 01:28:56 -0500 From: lholt@cis.usouthal.edu (Logan Holt) Subject: Re: corrado-l-digest V1 #194 Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9509220628.AA04919@cis.usouthal.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Stu: Regarding your inquiry regarding the stock radio. It's a standard din stereo which is removed with a DIN tool (which are two hanger-like jobs). Have you ever installed a stereo before? If not, the stereo itself is very simple, however installing an amp is quite difficult (the first few times). The good thing about the Corrado is the multitude of ground locations in the rear so that you don't have to put a hole in the metal. For the speakers, ditch the factories and have someone install 5 1/4`` in all four front locations. It requires some modification, but an experienced installer should have no problem doing it, and it wouldn't cost much. In the rear, I have installed plates into the trunk cover and then covered that entire sunken ledge with 1 long piece of foamboard covered in tan speaker grill cloth. Tell me what you come up with. Ky corrado From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Sep 22 23:29 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA12892; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 23:29:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HVLESXWC0G008ACX@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 23:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA08690 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 23:15:09 -0700 Received: from dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu [129.25.3.11]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA08676 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 23:15:06 -0700 Received: from lorelei.ECE.Drexel.EDU (root@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu [129.25.5.6]) by dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA19770 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 02:13:46 -0400 Received: from spock.ece.drexel.edu by lorelei.ECE.Drexel.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06504; Sat, 23 Sep 95 02:13:00 EDT Received: from [192.0.2.1] by spock.ece.drexel.edu (8.6.10/SMI-SVR4) id CAA07153; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 02:14:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 02:21:41 +0100 From: lehrian@spock.ece.drexel.edu (Matthew R. Lehrian) Subject: Re: ACTIV stereo system Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >I too have a '92 Corrado and replaced the ACTIV stereo system. The problem >is, the in-dash receiver does not have an amplifier...the door speakers are >self-amplified, and power the other four speakers. This means that if you >add a new receiver you also have to replace the door speakers. > >It may be possible to keep the rear and dashboard speakers, but I'm not >really sure how they're wired (I replaced all the speakers and added a couple >of 6x9's in the back). > >Hope this helps! >Dave I've got a '92 with the ACTIV stereo, and I just gave crutchfield a call. They have a little module that takes speaker level output from your new head unit and drops it so that you can wire it directly in to the factory wiring, thus utilizing the built in ACTIV amplifier/speaker system. I put an Alpine CD head unit in mine and went to VW to get the original wiring plugs and made up a nice adapter so that I could plug the head unit right in to the factory wiring plugs (power and speaker). Crutchfield sells the plugs cheaper, but they're much nicer from VW. BTW - I had to add a switched-hot pin to the power adapter, as VW only recently started wiring the stereo through the ignition. I was very impressed with Crutchfield's knowledge of the stereo system and help with the installation. It's not like replacing the entire stereo, speakers, amps and all, but it's quick, clean and easy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Matthew R. Lehrian -=- AS&T Corporation The Possibility That People '92 Corrado SLC Be Empowered In Living \ / '94 Jetta /// LE \ \ / / '59 Beetle Sunroof lehrian@spock.ece.drexel.edu \ \/ / \/\/ Volkswagenwerk From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Oct 6 20:53 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19452; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:53:42 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HW4TFGLIG0001HK6@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 06 Oct 1995 20:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA20702 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:46:04 -0700 Received: from uu9.psi.com (uu9.psi.com [38.145.107.9]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA20678 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:45:59 -0700 Received: from uu0981.UUCP by uu9.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA01972 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 95 23:38:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 20:12:00 -0400 From: tom.trawinski@syncomm.com (TOM TRAWINSKI) Subject: Stereo Brand? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: CORRADO-L@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <8B284BC.03E8025223.uuout@syncomm.com> Organization: Synergy Online, Parsippany, NJ (201) 331-1797 X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 Precedence: bulk References: <8B2629C.03E8024D89.uuout@syncomm.com> Status: RO WTL>I am new to this group. I just purchased a 92 Red GLC. I have the factory WTL>installed sterero with CD changer control capability. I have a question abo WTL>it. Does anyone know what brand(s) of CD changer is compatible with my deck WTL>I guess I can go back to the dealer for the factory ones, but I prefer have WTL>more options. Thanks in advance. WTL> Wen Tsung Lin If you want to keep the factory stereo and not go to the dealer for a CD changer, your only option is to get a special adapter from Peripheral Electronics in San Diego. A guy who works there (Mark) makes them specially for VW stereos and they allow use of a Panasonic CD changer. I just got one and it works like a charm. You should find out what kind of stereo you have as VW used two suppliers, Panasonic and Clarion. Two ways to verify your make: 1) If a little knob on the right side of the cassette door then its probably a Panasonic, otherwise its a Clarion; 2) Get or fabricate a DIN extracter (coat hangers do well for me),pull the stereo out (don't pull the power supply unbless you have the radio theft code) and look at the bottom. If it says Matshushito then its a Panasonic. The phone number for Periperals is: 619-695-2133. Tom 1993 Corrado SLC From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Oct 14 01:58 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA12680; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:58:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HWEW4HJSXS003A04@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA03423 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:50:18 -0700 Received: from typhoon.seas.ucla.edu (rlallas@typhoon.seas.ucla.edu [164.67.100.89]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA03416 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:50:15 -0700 Received: by typhoon.seas.ucla.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03(UCLA 2.05)noloc) id AA118985; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:50:14 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: rlallas@seas.ucla.edu Subject: Re: AKTIV system. In-Reply-To: <199510131634.LAA13152@fwhns09.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com> from "Bill Elliott" at Oct 13, 95 11:34:03 am Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9510140850.AA118985@typhoon.seas.ucla.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 1807 Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > I own a '90 G60 with the stock AKTIV system still in it. I was wanting > to upgrade the speakers. Has anyone out there replaced the door speakers > with say, a 5 1/4" or a 6" size driver? Is there a lot of cutting-modifying > involved? What is the most painless way to approach this? I hate to take > my car to an installer. The thought of someone other than me in those > leather door panels send chills up my spine! :| > > Also, when I installed the Sony CD dash unit, I noticed that the back > on the radio with all its wires sits REAL flush against the A/C center > ducts. Any work around? It is so flush, sometimes the stereo will pop > out slightly. I want to upgrade to a better unit soon and I am > concerned with the fit. > > Thanks for any advice given! > > > -- Bill belliott@ftw.mot.com > > > Yes! I have installed 5 1/4" speakers (MB Quart:) in the doors, but! I had a lot of fabrication to do to get them to fit there. The stock 4" speakers have an enclosure for themselves, which also has an amplifier in each enclosure, meaning that you have to take these out if you have external amplification. Also, 6" is probably too big a speaker to fit in a corrado door, because the speaker depth of a 6" speaker would be too deep, my 5 1/4" fit just barely. About the wiring in the back of the Sony unit... try cleaning the wiring up a bit. The wiring shouldn't take up too much space, and you could try tucking some of the wires near the space behind the speedometer or fog light switch. Also, your unit keeps on poping out because the clips on each side of the radio are not properly snapped in (probably because the wires in the back of the radio are keeping you from pushing the radio in all the way) happy sounds, Roger Allas rlallas@seas.ucla.edu '90 G60 Tornado Red From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Nov 1 15:58 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA21662; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:58:57 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HX4UP3BZGG001EFH@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 01 Nov 1995 15:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA20680 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:19:40 -0800 Received: from mail.ansi.com ([205.158.29.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA20661 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:19:34 -0800 Received: from [205.158.29.11] by mail.ansi.com (NTMail Server 2.11.23 - ntmail@net-shopper.co.uk) id aa000061 Tue, 3 Jan 95 04:24:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 1995 04:24:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Sean Renner Subject: Stock Stereo System Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: seanr@mail.ansi.com (Unverified) To: corrado-l-digest@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199511010319.TAA20661@desiree.teleport.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Info: Evaluation version at mail.ansi.com Precedence: bulk Status: RO To all Audio Curious, The speaker system in the Corrado is a bit tricky. The left door speaker contains in its baffle the amplifier for the 3 left speakers and the same goes for the right door speaker. I worked for the past 6 years in High-End home A/V and mobile audio. I am no longer in that line of work but I would be glad to share any knowledge of mine with my fellow Corrado owners. The company I worked for is Century Stereo and if you live in Northern California of are ever in the area I highly recommend checking them out. Century Stereo 620 S. Bascom Ave. San Jose, Ca. 95128 ph.:408-998-7474 fax:408-998-4713 They are probably the best shop in the San Francisco Bay Area. They specialize in Custom Home Theater / High-End Home Audio / High-End Mobile Audio / Pro & Industrial Sound. They use to hold Audio Clinics for New Dimensions of Santa Clara (They are probably the best watercooled VW performance shop in the US. Since I left Century Stereo (July '95) I've been working in a totally different field. I work for a company that is A Complete World Wide Web Solution Provider (ANS, Inc.). I apoligize for getting off the subject. Back to my point- I recommend that you run all new wires from your source of amplification and x-over everything properly plus ad a sub (not too big, just enough bass to get an accurate reproduction of the original recording.). If you have any questions please feel free to email me at: [ seanr@ansi.com ] I'll talk with you all later. C Ya!! Sean Renner From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Nov 1 17:37 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23452; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:37:54 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HX4Y1GFLKG0026OS@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 01 Nov 1995 17:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA26543 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:21:16 -0800 Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA26429 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:21:02 -0800 Received: from spaz.roc.servtech.com by cyber1.servtech.com; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:20 EST Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:20:03 -0500 From: kittd@spaz.roc.servtech.com (Kitt Diebold) Subject: re: (Corrado Stereos...) Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: kittd@cyber1.servtech.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 1692 Precedence: bulk Status: RO > [stuff deleted] > Well, i remember a thread awhile back about speakers. If i get an > adapter from Crutchfield for the amplified ones can i connect them to > an amplifier ok? Looking to have my new Kenwood drive the front > speakers and a 4 x 40watt amp drive the door models & the rear Polk > plates. I just bought a Blaupunkt AM/FM/CD for my SLC from Crutchfield. Crutchfied -does- supply wiring kits, but I had to modify the power connector for my Corrado. The wiring connector they give you doesn't have a connection for the ignition-switched power the the Corrado has (or at least mine did). I ended up taking out the pin meant for the dimmer control (Blaupunkt doesn't need it) and put that where the switched power lead is. They also gave me an info sheet for the '90-91 Corrado (wrong year for mine). They -do- give you the antenna adapter, which you'll need, and the 'speaker adapter' for the ACTIV system. I ended up buying four phono-type plugs at Radio Shack and soldering them to this connector. Now, the new head unit runs the ACTIV system. (For now, until I can afford an amp to power the Polk seperates...and deep-six the ACTIV system.) Can you use the stock wiring to connect an external amp and speakers? Maybe, if you get (yet another) adapter since the system uses a common ground (correct me if I'm wrong). IMHO, you'd be better running your own speaker cable between the amp and speakers when you install it and the power/line-level cables. my $.04 (not that it's worth more, it just took a while to type...) -Kitt '92 SLC Kitt Diebold kittd@spaz.roc.servtech.com or, the short version --> kittd@servtech.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Nov 1 18:54 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25970; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:54:13 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HX50T3AAFK001QJ2@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 01 Nov 1995 18:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA28488 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:45:16 -0800 Received: from mail.ansi.com ([205.158.29.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA28442 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:45:09 -0800 Received: from [205.158.29.11] by mail.ansi.com (NTMail Server 2.11.23 - ntmail@net-shopper.co.uk) id aa000070 Wed, 4 Jan 95 03:49:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 1995 03:49:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Sean Renner Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: seanr@mail.ansi.com (Unverified) To: corrado-l-digest@teleport.com, Ed_Torres@ccmail.us.dell.com, belliot@hpmail2.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199511020245.SAA28442@desiree.teleport.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Info: Evaluation version at mail.ansi.com Precedence: bulk Status: RO Edwin and Bill, Yes, you can use a high powered Kenwood head unit to power the front dash speakers (full-range, dual-cone). I recommend capping them off so as to block out the heavy bass. Head unit amps aren't even close to clean so the smaller the workload on the amp the better the specs. The dash speakers aren't designed to reproduce low frequencies either, so capping them off would help prevent clipping of your amp and driver. In regards to the 4 ch. Kenwood amp, yes I would definetely use external amplification. What many people don't realize is that deck power is usually rated at maximum (i.e. 25x4 is actually more like 5x4 to 10x4 rms) power rating with high levels of distortion. Amplifiers on the other hand are usually rated at rms (i.e. 40x4 would max closer to 80x4). Hopefully the amp has a built in electronic x-over so you can once again block out the heavy bass. Leave the sub-bass work to a subwoofer. This will be a much cleaner system. The door speakers are the same as the dash speakers accept without the dual-cone part so they are more of a mid-bass / mid-range driver. In the rear a 4x6 plate speaker is what I use so that's what I recommend. If your deck has pre-amp outs then those should hook right up to your amplified sub. You'll also need to run power to the amp and amplified sub preferably a 4-6 guage line (use a distribution block from there). Don't make your ground line longer than 18in. and use 6-8 guage for each amp. I'd skip any adapters for the factory wiring and disconnect the amps in the door speakers (run all new wiring for an all new system!) As far as the Pioneer Premier deck goes again I recommend running all new wiring. The reason is that you know exactly where the wiring is and that it is done right (also the wire is inexpensive so it cost next to nothing to put in better wiring). To bypass the aktiv speaker system you need to get into the speaker baffle and disconnect the amp from the speaker, then run speaker wire directly from the the deck into the door and connect to the speaker. For the Punch 150 and another 4ch. amp the stock alternator should be fine. Just run 2-4 guage power cable from the battery straight to the amp and use a dist. block from there. On my amp I'm using 3 stiffening caps and I'd reccomend you do the same (not necessarily the same as mine). The caps are to provide the sub amp with the current it can't get from the type of electrical system you have in a car (the battery and the alternator cannot provide current bursts fast enough for amps demands the size of your alternator doesn't really make a difference there: the science of it makes more sense than I can put into words. Now fitting a 5 1/4 in. driver in the door becomes a little tricky. Not all 5 1/4 drivers are 5 1/4 inches accross. This is just a standard size that speaker manufaturers use to determine where in their product line-up they're going to put a particular speaker. I know a KEF 110M will fit without much modification. Depth for head units in most VW's make for a tight fit, but if you shift the wiring around properly it should fit fine. I hope I've answered your questions and if you have any more or are still stumped go ahead and email me. I'd be glad to answer any questions you might still have.C ya! Sean Renner From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Nov 6 01:24 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA21206; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 01:24:27 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HXAYR2NNR4002Q96@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 06 Nov 1995 00:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA04102 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 00:52:49 -0800 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA04094 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 00:52:47 -0800 Received: (from spawn@localhost) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) id DAA16036 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 03:52:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 03:52:38 -0500 (EST) From: The Sandman Subject: Re: Best sound System! In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 6 Nov 1995 02:21:25 -0500 Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hey, I have a corrado SLC, with a sound system. I say if you want good sound, you don't put too much midrange in the back. In theory, the best sound comes from the front of the care..with the rear only for Rear fill. Like a concert..most of the sound should come from the front, complimented in the rear by small speakers. The subs, I'm afraid must be put in the trunk as there is no other place to put them. In my care, I have a Sony head unit and CD changer. Boston accoustic 5.25 inch woofer and 1 inch tweeter in stock position. In the rear I have pioneer 4inch seperates. and for the subs i have 2 JL AUDIO 10" subs. All this is powered by two soundstream reference 300 series amps. Putting out 600 watts total. I also have audiocontrl esp-2 DSP. I'm not bragging or anything, just giving you an idea. it sound pretty good. all this cost me $2500. If you are on a tight budget, I recommend replacing the front speakers and leaving the rear stock. use power amps to power the front, and the radio to power the rear speakers. Of course you have to amplify the subs. Sealed is the way to go. Just thought I'd help. Dave From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Nov 6 22:52 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11457; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:52:34 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HXC882X8OW002A9V@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 06 Nov 1995 22:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA21346 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:33:32 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA21317 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:33:25 -0800 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA14228 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 01:32:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 01:32:51 -0500 From: CPat69@aol.com Subject: Re: Best sound System! Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <951107004418_81714941@emout05.mail.aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I am an installer working in Monroe, Laouisiana, I don't own a corrado, but I love the cars. I have 2 friends with GTi's, and another with a 90 G60. Looking at his corrado, you could do a wonderful system that would be clean following one of these other ideas by retaining the stock rear speakers, installing some separates (separate mid-woofer and tweeter) up front--I reccommend Polk Audio, MB Quart, and Boston Acoustics. These manufacturers all sell high end high quality sets. If you don't want the weight in the rear all of the time, consider a SAS Bazooka 10 or 12 inch subwoofer tube, they are easily removed if you need the space, and they aren't that big or heavy in the first place. For an amplifier, I recommend the Rockford Fosgate Punch 4040 DSM. I have one and I love the clarity it provides in my vehicle. It is a four channel amp, which means you can run the front speakers off of 2 channels (left and right), and bridge the other two to run to the tube in mono for more power. The amp has built in adjustible crossovers for each 2 channels (high pass, low pass, and full range.) Run the front high pass, the rear to the sub low pass, and run the stock rear speakers to the radio, I agree with the theory that most all of the sound should come from the front stage. The amp should be about $500, the separates $200, and sub about $175, with about $125 for installation and acces. materials. Good Luck, and let us know what you think, E-Mail me if you have any questions. CPat69@AOL.COM From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Nov 7 21:32 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03096; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 21:32:45 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HXDK43CI5C003CEN@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 07 Nov 1995 21:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA07514 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 21:23:56 -0800 Received: from dg.thepoint.net (dg.thepoint.net [198.6.9.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA07474 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 21:23:49 -0800 Received: from line17.sburg.thepoint.net by dg.thepoint.net (5.4R3.00/) id AA03092; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 00:31:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 00:31:17 -0500 From: bwhite@thepoint.net (Brian J White) Subject: Re: Stereo system question Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: bwhite@thepoint.net To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9511080531.AA03092@dg.thepoint.net> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >I was thinking about changing around the stock ACTIV system in my '92 SLC, >and have heard that it is a full on pain in the ass because everything has >to be replaced. Is there any way I can just get great sound without having >to replace ALL the speakers? Answer: no. Replace stock speakers definatly. >Originally, a good friend of mine and an avid car stereo enthusiast was >recommending that I keep all the stock speakers.. add a good amp, a >crossover, and some good 6x9's. Send just the high's to the stock speakers >which should be able to handle them, and all frequencies to the 6x9's which >would be the main bass output as well as midrange and high range (assuming >3way 6x9's). Of course, change the head unit. True in many cases...and probably a good case for 93 and later Corrados that did NOT have the Activ system....but for those cars with the Activ system, this will not work. Reason you cant use your head unit with another amp or speakers: The factory head unit does NOT power speakers...basically it is a pre-amp. At the same time the connections it uses to send its signal to the Activ amps is some wierd Nokia thing..(the OEM) Reason you cant use you factory speaker with ANY replacement setup: Those speakers are like 0.5ohm or something like that. Most car amps work at 2 or 4ohm although some high-end amps go down to 0.5ohm usually for mono subwoofers or something, this would be alot harder to get to work than just to replace everything with a nice head unit, amp and speakers. >I wanted to do this because it wouldn't be that expensive, does anyone have >any BETTER suggestions for me that would also be around the same price range >(I figure $600-$700 at wholesale)?? Shop around. I got a Sony XR-430 head unit with full-logic tape, Dolby B-C, all the other cool ass bells and whistles for $250 bucks new. I then bought a Sony CDX-65 10-disc changer as an open box special for $260. I then bought some JBL GT-45 (I think....titanium tweeter 4" mid separates) for $140 new....and I then got a new Sony 4040 4 channel 40-watt amp for $200 new and had it all installed for 200 bucks. I dont have rear speakers yet...but that is an example of what you can get. I am considering replacing the Sony amp with an Adcom unit for the front speakers and have the Sony power the rear pair and a sub. When I get rear speakers and a sub..... Brian From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Nov 11 08:00 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24671; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 08:00:14 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HXICNXBITS002YQT@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 07:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA18140 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:05:42 -0800 Received: from main.goldengate.net (main.goldengate.net [206.8.8.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA17495 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:03:45 -0800 Received: from MASTER (pm1-639.goldengate.net [206.8.8.39]) by main.goldengate.net (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA01936 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 17:05:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 17:05:37 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Ahlberg Subject: Re: Best car sound system? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: rahlberg@main.goldengate.net To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199511082305.RAA01936@main.goldengate.net> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO YOu can get a very good soundstage with alot less work than that. I have about $1400 in my system and it was good enough to win Novice 1-150 at the last IASCA competition here in Minnesota. Further...I won on sound quality. It isn't as good as ID horns...but the image is quite specific and the soundstage is both deep and wide. Using Clif Designs seperates in a '93 SLC. 5" mids in stock door location, tweeter pods on inside of power mirrors on doors, 2-10" JL audio subs in spare tire well. Rockford amp and Hifonics EQ. You can spend more and do even better...or do alot worse. Good luck! Bob From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Nov 11 07:59 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24617; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 07:59:59 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HXICNXBITS002YQT@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA06212 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 18:23:49 -0800 Received: from elk.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (elk.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.168.45]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA06064 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 18:23:28 -0800 Received: (from jimy@localhost) by elk.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA03126; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 18:23:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 18:23:24 -0800 (PST) From: "James S. Young" Subject: Re: speakers n' stuff In-Reply-To: <199511082012.MAA11781@desiree.teleport.com> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm going to reply to a couple of messages here.. > From: rbeaudette@state.ma.us > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 10:24:59 EST > Subject: ...no subject... > > Regarding stereo's systems for our wonderful go-fast mobiles, I too opted to > upgrade. The factory radio just about drove me nuts trying to select > stations. I opted for ADS 5.25" separates up front, factory plates out back ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yes, these are the only way to go. back when I was shopping around for my speakers, nothing else even came close. the only problem w/ them is that they don't put out a lot of bass so you need a subwoofer. > (someday to be 4" separates because one is blown), Blaupunkt 4x30 amp (if > this baby really is functioning properly, I would suggest 4x60 for just a > little more oomph) and a powered 8" tube (for a more full bass sound, not to I have a 7.5" woofer in my car. I used to have a 10" driver, but the box took up most of the hatch. I barely even notice the new box. where do you have the amps and tube installed? > car. I might recommend you look into a fan for an amplifier mounted in the > trunk. Mine regularly starves for lack of cool air on hot summer days with > max volume (the only way to cruise down the highway, but it would be better > with a sunroof that works...). Does anyone else have this problem. I've only had this problem once. I had the trunk stuffed with luggage, and a big comforter smushed up against my amps. ------------------------------ > > From: The Sandman > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 14:04:42 EST > Subject: Re: Stereo system question > > Hey, I don't think the deck is putting out 960 watts of power. All speaker > in Car audio are 4ohm speakers. All of them. The only way to get a 2ohm no, not all of them. just the ones designed to work w/ "regular" amps. the activ's are active speakers, meaning that they have a built-in amp designed to work with the driver. this means that as a manufacturer you can make the speaker any impedance you want, because you have control over the amp that's going to drive it as well. as for 960 watts of power, I doubt that as well. In reality, the protection circuitry in the amp will probably limit the amount of current to the speakers. In practice, most power amps don't really double in output power when you halve the load. (in some the power even drops.) to whoever said that the aktiv drivers were 0.5 ohm, where did you find that information? jim From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Dec 19 12:03 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14665; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:03:46 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HYZOJ6ZBG0006CF5@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA07846 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:18:30 -0800 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA07805 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:18:21 -0800 Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (8.7.1/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id NAA06281; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:17:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from ilbx.mot.com (ilbx.mot.com [129.188.137.185]) by pobox.mot.com (8.7.1/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with SMTP id NAA12608; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:17:43 -0600 (CST) Received: by ilbx.mot.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16589; Tue, 19 Dec 95 13:17:42 -0600 Received: by email.mot.com via Worldtalk with X400 (3.0.4/1.64) id WT14285.154; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:17:38 CST Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:17:57 -0600 From: Steve_Knitter-ESK014@email.mot.com Subject: RE: Rear Speakers Sender: owner-@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com, sf@zgs.com Reply-To: Steve_Knitter-ESK014@email.mot.com Message-Id: <"Macintosh */PRMD=MOT/ADMD=MOT/C=US/"@MHS> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO _SUBJECTS_ >Has anybody changed the standard speakers in there Corrado. >If so can you let me know what did you use.? >Shaun. I put in some Kenwood 4x6's (special VW size) in the rear, out of the Cruchfield catalog. I had to take out the side pieces where the speakers were mounted(a few screws), and saw away some of the plastic around the stock speakers. When everything is mounted again, you can't even see the modification. I tried the Polk plates, but they didn't put out any bass. Cruchfield let me exchange the Polks -for- Kenwoods, much better and pretty cheap. Steve '90 G60 Ft. Lauderdale ESK014@email.mot.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Dec 20 20:13 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09940; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:13:27 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HZ1JWKQ56O007Q0B@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA07454 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:36:02 -0800 Received: from ds9.cvtech.com (root@NS1.CVTECH.COM [205.166.61.130]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA07416 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:35:56 -0800 Received: from hoovere@pa.net ([206.228.69.83]) by ds9.cvtech.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA14172; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:47:08 -0500 Received: by hoovere@pa.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BACF2B.C39D01A0@hoovere@pa.net>; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:37:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:25:53 -0500 From: Eric Hoover Subject: Rear Speaker replacement Sender: owner-@teleport.com To: "'sf@zgs.com'" Cc: 'Corrado Club Digest' Reply-To: Eric Hoover Message-Id: <01BACF2B.C39D01A0@hoovere@pa.net> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Status: RO _SUBJECTS_ On my previous '90 and now '93 I cut out some of the plastic in the rear = deck quarters and replaced the stock speakers with PIONEER TS-A4605's = from Crutchfield. The nice thing is that you can still put the factory = junk speakers in if you should ever have to get rid of the car. (like my = old G60) I use these 2-way 4x6's as my midrange/tweeter setup for the rear. I = cut out (2) 6x9 holes in the back deck and put in Kicker subwoofers. I = am only using 60 watts for the rear speakers and no mod's yet for the = front. I did replace the factory deck with a Sony. The 'loudness' = feature (and maybe a few watts of power) really improves the sound out = of the front dash and door speakers and has temporarily suspended my = 'need' for new speakers/amp for the front. (i'd rather put the money = into springs / wheels for now) Eric Hoover '93 SLC From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Dec 29 22:46 PST 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11874; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 22:45:59 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HZE9UPCZEO000FER@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 22:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA24279 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 22:05:47 -0800 Received: from brahms.udel.edu (SKHE1k8qrjNwlCXbd00cf+mFC3E6FKw1@brahms.udel.edu [128.175.13.16]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA24268 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 22:05:45 -0800 Received: (from slee@localhost) by brahms.udel.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA20110; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 01:05:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 01:05:43 -0500 (EST) From: Samuel Chung-Ky Lee Subject: radio pin outs, dash discoveries, antenna Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l-digest Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO A few bullitens back someone was asking for radio wiring information due to discovering a hatchet job. Here goes. The black connector carries power, grounds etc. and has a tab that is offcenter. From the connector side using the pin #'s indicated: pin #1 blue/white wire: ALM pin #2 blank pin #3 blank pin #4 brown/red wire: S (not sure what this is but is indicated by a label on the radio) pin #5 black: antenna pin #6 grey/blue: symbol looks like a lit LED pin #7 red/white: positive pin #8 brown: negative Brown connector. Key tab is centered. Pin #1 red/green: RR positive Pin #2 brown/black: RR negative Pin #3 red: RF positive Pin #4 white/brown: RF negative Pin #5 blue: LF positive Pin #6 brown/blue: LF negative Pin #7 blue/green: LR positive Pin #8 brown/red: LR negative Yesterday I posted a note indicating that I reconnected the blue/white wire labeled alm on pin 1 of the black connector. Today when driving the car I noticed a clicking sound from the speakers that increases with car velocity (not engine RPM). This noise was present from day one when the car was new. The dealer supposedly fixed this by "reparing a bad ground", but it seems to me that they only snipped the wire. Breaking the connection again got rid of the clicking noise. Since the noise increases in freq with velocity (i.e. maybe picking up noise from the spoiler circuit?) that I may have a bad ground. So I tore the dash apart and from what I can tell everything checks out. No change in reception. Oh well. I did make some interesting discoveries. 1) under the driver's side dash there is a metal piece with a row of spade connector ends that many grounds connect to. There are ample additional spade ends to connect to if you need a grounding spot to connect to. 2) the passenger side kick panel is an excellent place to mount crossover's for those of you doing speaker upgrades. 3) the driver's side kick panel conceals something that looks very important...the alarm control? power locking control? 4) there is absolutly nothing underneath the center grill on the dash. Purely there to look pretty. It is one continous plastic piece with the adjacent defroster grates on either side. I know this because I broke one side of it while trying to find out what was underneath. Nothing like curiosity killing the cat. A little crazy glue will make it as good as new. 5) again for those of you doing speaker upgrades, the factory crossover for the dash tweeters are intgral with the tweeter. It appears that the speaker leads for the front speakers go from the head unit to the tweeter and then a second connector continues from the tweeter to the speaker in the door. Nice way to save on extra wiring. As for the antenna...I'm not sure what I'll do. I'll live with if for now, but I'm sure that once I return to DE the weaker radio signals will annoy me once more. Sam Lee University of Delaware 92 SLC green/tan. From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Feb 12 20:28 PST 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA12100; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:28:18 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I15077L5000094LI@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA13496; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:23:49 -0800 Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:23:46 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA13441 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:23:44 -0800 Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA13390 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:23:40 -0800 Received: (from slee@localhost) by copland.udel.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA23692; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:23:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:23:36 -0500 (EST) From: Samuel Chung-Ky Lee Subject: radio pin outs, (fwd) Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l-digest Reply-To: Samuel Chung-Ky Lee Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Lois Olmeda I am forwarding the wiring pin outs for the "Premium" head unit. Please note that the G60 may have had the "Aktiv" unit which is a little different. However the wiring for the speaker and most of the power connections are the same. There are a few wires on the power bus that may be different and are for line-level outputs. To be sure and car stereo dealer that carries Sony products will have a reference guide...I've seen the one for the G60. Hope this helps. Sam Lee University of Delaware 92 SLC (green/tan) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 01:05:43 -0500 (EST) From: Samuel Chung-Ky Lee To: corrado-l-digest Subject: radio pin outs, dash discoveries, antenna A few bullitens back someone was asking for radio wiring information due to discovering a hatchet job. Here goes. The black connector carries power, grounds etc. and has a tab that is offcenter. From the connector side using the pin #'s indicated: pin #1 blue/white wire: ALM pin #2 blank pin #3 blank pin #4 brown/red wire: S (not sure what this is but is indicated by a label on the radio) pin #5 black: antenna pin #6 grey/blue: symbol looks like a lit LED pin #7 red/white: positive pin #8 brown: negative Brown connector. Key tab is centered. Pin #1 red/green: RR positive Pin #2 brown/black: RR negative Pin #3 red: RF positive Pin #4 white/brown: RF negative Pin #5 blue: LF positive Pin #6 brown/blue: LF negative Pin #7 blue/green: LR positive Pin #8 brown/red: LR negative Yesterday I posted a note indicating that I reconnected the blue/white wire labeled alm on pin 1 of the black connector. Today when driving the car I noticed a clicking sound from the speakers that increases with car velocity (not engine RPM). This noise was present from day one when the car was new. The dealer supposedly fixed this by "reparing a bad ground", but it seems to me that they only snipped the wire. Breaking the connection again got rid of the clicking noise. Since the noise increases in freq with velocity (i.e. maybe picking up noise from the spoiler circuit?) that I may have a bad ground. So I tore the dash apart and from what I can tell everything checks out. No change in reception. Oh well. From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Wed Feb 14 01:13 PST 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05463; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 01:13:17 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I16OG0B2LS00CARN@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 01:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA21257; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 01:07:45 -0800 Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 14 Feb 1996 01:07:43 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA21222 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 01:07:41 -0800 Received: from helios.herts.ac.uk (helios.herts.ac.uk [147.197.200.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA21180 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 01:07:38 -0800 Received: from herts.ac.uk by helios.herts.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <29648-0@helios.herts.ac.uk>; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:03:13 +0000 Received: from ELESVR1/SpoolDir by elesvr1.herts.ac.uk (Mercury 1.20) ; 14 Feb 96 09:05:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SpoolDir by ELESVR1 (Mercury 1.20); 14 Feb 96 09:05:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:05:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Nigel Middleton Subject: Radio Pin Outs Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Nigel Middleton Message-Id: <1C8A67025DD@elesvr1.herts.ac.uk> Organization: University of Hertfordshire X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Precedence: bulk Status: RO - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 01:05:43 -0500 (EST) From: Samuel Chung-Ky Lee To: corrado-l-digest Subject: radio pin outs, dash discoveries, antenna A few bullitens back someone was asking for radio wiring information due to discovering a hatchet job. Here goes. The black connector carries power, grounds etc. and has a tab that is offcenter. From the connector side using the pin #'s indicated: pin #1 blue/white wire: ALM pin #2 blank pin #3 blank pin #4 brown/red wire: S (not sure what this is but is indicated by a label on the radio) pin #5 black: antenna pin #6 grey/blue: symbol looks like a lit LED pin #7 red/white: positive pin #8 brown: negative Brown connector. Key tab is centered. Pin #1 red/green: RR positive Pin #2 brown/black: RR negative Pin #3 red: RF positive Pin #4 white/brown: RF negative Pin #5 blue: LF positive Pin #6 brown/blue: LF negative Pin #7 blue/green: LR positive Pin #8 brown/red: LR negative Yesterday I posted a note indicating that I reconnected the blue/white wire labeled alm on pin 1 of the black connector. Today when driving the car I noticed a clicking sound from the speakers that increases with car velocity (not engine RPM). This noise was present from day one when the car was new. The dealer supposedly fixed this by "reparing a bad ground", but it seems to me that they only snipped the wire. Breaking the connection again got rid of the clicking noise. Since the noise increases in freq with velocity (i.e. maybe picking up noise from the spoiler circuit?) that I may have a bad ground. So I tore the dash apart and from what I can tell everything checks out. No change in reception. Oh well. Nigel's comments...... I think you will find that the Blue / White wire is the Speed Signal for radio's (mainly in europe, not the UK or even the USA by the sounds of things) that can control the volume in proportion to the speed you are travelling at (This is what is said in my ....POLO.... handbook). The brown/red wire is supposedly live when the ignition is on, so the Radio switches on with the ignition, and off when you stop the car. Hope this Helps Nigel. _____________________________________________________________________ From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri Mar 8 09:03 PST 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 11:58:22 -0500 From: Christopher Newcomb Shenefield Subject: Door speaker size Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Christopher Newcomb Shenefield Message-Id: <9603081158.ZM78232@matisse.its.rpi.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 07feb95) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO IN reply to the question of speaker sizez that fit in the door of a Corrado, I have put Boston Acoustic Pro Series 5.4 in my C and they are 5" drivers. The stock mounting point is on the inside of the door panel, but the new mounting point is on the outside of the door panel...meaning that you can never put the stock ones in again because the screw holes from the 5" speakers will be showing. But it is worth it! Also, the tweeters that I have are mounted to my a-pillars. My brother has been a product manager at Bosston Acoustic and now works for LucasFilm in CA so knows about positioning of speakers, etc. He says that best place for the tweeters in a car are to the front and as far away from the listeners as possible. This way, the distance between the right tweeter and listeners and between the left tweeter and listeners is relatively more similar. This helps imaging. But in the end, everyone is different; so you should put them where you think they sound best. Start with mounting the tweeters with tape or velcro and try them out in different places. Also, let me give another piece of advice from my brother (although he knows not that I am giving his advice), and that is the sound stage is supposed to be in front of you. Alot of people put fancy speakers only in the back of the car. This is equivalent to standing with your back to the stage. Most people when they are at concerts stand with their front facing the stage. Makes sense, huh? This is not the case for subs, however. Base is omnidirectional, meaning you cannot tell wher it comes from; so put the sub almost anywhere. Chris 93 SLC From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri Mar 8 22:14 PST 1996 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 17:33:07 -0500 (EST) From: Samuel Chung-Ky Lee Subject: door speakers Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l-digest Reply-To: Samuel Chung-Ky Lee Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Shaun and others, Sorry to be so late with my feedback....Chris beat me to it. I too mounted Boston Acoustics pro-series 5.4s in the factory location. But my impression was that they were a 5 1/4 in driver. Anyway...Chris is right, the factory mounting posts did not match up with those on the driver so my installer fashioned some sort of bracket to hold them in. No cutting was neccessary to squeeze them in otherwise. The tweeters are semi-flush mounted in the triangular piece in the window's. The BA provided mount was not used...rather the tweets themselves were carefully position and pressfit into the cutouts made into the plastic. Overall very cosmetic and not obtrusive. The only problem with imageing that I have is on the driver's side. If you carefully examine the dash, the driver's side is a bit higher than the passenger side due to the instrument cluster. This blocks some of the sound coming from the driver's side. So far I've just adjusted the balance to the driver's side to compensate a bit for it. I'll be much happier once I get my second amp back in (for rear fill) and have the alternator line noise remedied. You may want to follow up on Chris's idea and get the tweets further away. The stock location for the tweet's might not be bad...you can reflect off the windshield that way. If anyone has had experience in getting rid of line noise any help here will be appreciated! BTW Shaun...did you get rid of your package shelf? Sam Lee University of Delaware 92 SLC (green/tan) Stereo upgrade in progress Eclipse head unit/Boston Acoustic separates front and rear/Soundstream amps front and rear. From HEDIN@HQ.RTIS-C.COM Tue Mar 26 06:15 PST 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:22:48 -0500 (EST) From: HEDIN@hq.RTIS-C.COM (Hedin, Andrew) Subject: Removing C Front Speakers To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <99782B3C01CE45D9@-SMF-> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 25-Mar-1996 11:21:38 -0500; at RTIS GLOBAL SERVER.RTIS475 X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 25-Mar-1996 11:22:39 -0500 References: <99782B3C02CE45D9@-SMF-> Status: RO Jan, All you have to do to remove the front speakers in a 1990 Corrado is pry off the speaker grill (use a very small screwdriver, working it from as many sides/angles as you can). The speaker will then be accessible. They pull out through the top, so I guess you would call them top mount. I pulled both of mine out to see about replacing them with something better. Never did get around to doing anything with them. Andrew Hedin (hedin@rtis-c.com) 1990 Yellow G60: OZ Corsa Rims, Neuspeed Strut Tower Brace, Autothority Stage II, ISV Re-Route Kit, Gillet Exhaust, Brembo Rotors, 180 Degree Fan Switch, 180 Degree Thermostat, P-Flo, Alpine/Polk/Advent ------------------------- From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Mar 25 21:24 PST 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 21:03:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: G60 Speakers Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: <01I2RPOW3ZV6001174@UG.EDS.COM> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Precedence: bulk Status: RO I want to thank all of you for your support in getting Jan's blown speaker out of its hiding place (90 G60) without removing the entire dash. Ever remember taking an exam, and you are 3 pages into a proof while you see everyone around you with only 1/2 a page....well that's how I felt with the speaker and knew that I took a worng turn somewhere. The top of the speaker is recessed in a cylindrical plastic enclosure which has 3 clips that hold it in place in the dash. I checked with our 92 SLC and it has the same configuartion, but contrary to some of you, has no screws. (I really do not understand why this car went through so many design changes). A stiff tug got the speaker out, and there seems to be an intermittent contact in the coil. I had a look (hear) at the MB Quartz. Nice. The model I listened to were the 100 KN S, comes with a cross over filter, looks like they can be made to fit with some work, but also cost around 230 US$... (Will they work ok with the stock system? I hear some of you blew the stock system with new speakers). However, 230$ seems a bit steep (especially after dropping a Quaiffe into my tranny) and so I may take some of you up on your kind offer to releave you from your former stock speakers, now catching dust as a door stop. And, yes, Mr Archive does indeed need advice at times...recall that the archives are the way they are because of contributions such as these from all of you. "We are the Borg..." [Star Trek, NG] -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | http://alicudi.usc.edu:80/~jan/ \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | "Aerodynamics are for people who (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | cannot build engines" - Enzo Ferrari From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Mar 25 15:53 PST 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:43:49 -0500 (EST) From: Samuel Chung-Ky Lee Subject: cd changer, mirrors, meguires, speakers, antenna amplifier Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l-digest Reply-To: Samuel Chung-Ky Lee Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO CD changer control: Marisa, the '92 factory Premium sound system is equipped for CD changer control. There is a socket on the back of the head unit for the cd player to plug into. As far as I know, only the VW changer will work. It may be possible to adapt a plug so an aftermarket system can be plugged in...other wise you are stuck with the FM type adaptor CD players. I'm not sure if the Activ system is equipped with CD changer control Mirrors: Jason...While at my parents recovering from my cold, I was able to wash my car. I too, noticed discoloration just starting to form on both side mirrors. damn.... Meguires: Maurice...Remember my car at the PA/DE/NJ fall drive? I detailed it the week before with Meguires polish and wax. Takes a lot of work, but is worth it. As long as the wax is fresh, it nicely hides the swirls etc. Front speakers: Jan... the grills just pry out. Also the tweeter assembly that fits underneath also prys out...the whole assembly, not just the tweeter. Antenna Amplifier: I sucessfully installed a new Fuba antenna amplifer and now am happy to report that I have FM and AM! Not to difficult to do...thanks Tim. Only thing I am not happy about is that the aftermarket fuba mount does not have a squared off mounting post that prevents the unit from rotating when tightening the nut. Those of you whose antenna whips were stolen...get in touch with me...I now have an extra. Sam Lee University of Delaware 92 SLC (green/tan) From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Mar 25 11:35 PST 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:13:00 -0500 (EST) From: RBN@corp.cirrus.com Subject: re: top of the dash speakers Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: RBN@corp.cirrus.com Message-Id: <20EE5631010A3A7C@-SMF-> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priority: Urgent X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 25-Mar-1996 11:17:19 -0500; at ngmgw.cirrus X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 25-Mar-1996 11:11:07 -0800; at nova.cirrus X-Nvl-Content-Type: MULTIPART; 1-S; $----Novell--Attachment----$ Precedence: bulk References: <21EE5631020A3A7C@-SMF-> Status: RO Form: Memo Text: (10 lines follow) >Jan, at least in my '90 G60 all you have to do is carefully pry out >the >speaker grill. This exposes the speakers and screws...5-10 minutes at >most. When I had my dash apart on my G-60, the speakers too were held in by clips. So in addition to jusy prying off the grills, you can just pry out the speakers too. Rodney Noriel rbn@corp.cirrus.com Use Proportional Font: true Attachment Count: 0 --$----Novell--Attachment----$ X-NVL-Content-Type: UNKNOWN X-NVL-Content-Typename: UNKNOWN X-NVL-Content-Charset: X-IBM-437 X-NVL-Content-Filename: ATTRIBS.BND X-NVL-Content-Transfer-Encoding: X-UUENCODE begin 777 ATTRIBS.BND M0F5Y;VYD(%!A8VME9"!!='1R:6)U=&5S`([]"-\M"@``````0F5Y;VYD(%!R M;W!R:65T87)Y($1A=&$:`````!$```````0`!`#'```````````````````` M````````5&5X=&`!/FT`````````````M0`#`&`!K@`!``$````'``$``0`! M`&`!````````./\```````"0`0``````````0V]U Subject: top of dash speaker removal Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: Jan Vandenbrande Cc: Corrado Club list Reply-To: Herschel Redd Message-Id: <3156C6B5.3C9E@onramp.net> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Status: RO Jan, at least in my '90 G60 all you have to do is carefully pry out the speaker grill. This exposes the speakers and screws...5-10 minutes at most. Herschel From kaz@brainiac.com Sun Mar 24 19:14 PST 1996 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:31:36 -0400 From: kaz@brainiac.com (Kevin Brisson) Subject: Re: Front Speakers X-Sender: kaz@brainiac.com (Unverified) To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO >How the heck do you get the front speakers out, the ones mounted on >the dash of our Corrados? Once you have the grilles off, take a wide flathead screwdriver and put it under the black plastic basket of the speaker and pry up. They are held in by a few spring clips so don't be afraid to pry up a little. The speaker should/will pop right out. Kevin '92 _______________________ / / |====O====| \ \ E-mail Address: kaz@brainiac.com / / /======G60==\ \ \ |---------------------------| Corrado Home Page: \_[***[##]_________[##]***]_/ http://ug.cs.dal.ca/~gajewski/corrado.html KAZ Electronics Home Page - offering the finest mobile electronics and computer hardware --> http://www.brainiac.com/kaz From airvent@kzsu.stanford.edu Sun Mar 24 10:59 PST 1996 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:55:19 -0800 (PST) From: airvent@kzsu.stanford.edu (Brian Peterson) Subject: Speakers X-Sender: airvent@kzsu.stanford.edu To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <199603241855.KAA18672@kzsu.Stanford.EDU> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Hi Jan. Regarding your speaker problems: I don't know how to take it out, can't help you there. However, I may have some dash speakers very soon for you. I'm getting mine replaced (hopefully soon), with MB Quarts, of course. If you don't find a replacement soon, let me know, but it could be a few weeks till I have my new speakers. Also, if you are using the stock head unit, with the Aktiv set up, I would be very careful about using non-stock speakers. My girlfriend got a set of MB Quarts (4" driver in the door, and 1" tweet in the dash) and was driving them using the stock head unit (`92 SLC). The amps in the doors were shot, so the stereo place hooked the speakers up to the head unit. Apperantly the head unit does put out a very small amount of power. The speakers just didn't sound that good with such a little bit of power. Additionally, the left front tweet kept fading in and out, and finally died. The thought was that the head unit just didn't have enough power, and there might have been a bad connection. She just got a Kenwood CD player, with fairly high power. The speakers were sounding great, and everything was working for a couple weeks. However, that left front tweet is dead again. It should be replaced under warranty (either Quarts' or the installation shop's). I don't know if the original use of the Quarts and the OEM head unit caused the problem or not, but thought I'd let you know her experience. The speakers sound great though, and I can't wait to get mine. I've got a `92 SLC also, with a Clarion CD head unit. Good luck, Brian Peterson airvent@kzsu.stanford.edu http://www-kzsu.stanford.edu/~airvent From mikeyv@ix.netcom.com Sat Mar 23 18:31 PST 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 18:27:03 -0800 From: mikeyv@ix.netcom.com (Mike Ventrella ) Subject: Front speaker replacement To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <199603240227.SAA10257@ix7.ix.netcom.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Jan, I saw your inquiry on the list for some help with front speaker replacement, so I thought I'd lend some help where I could. I have a '92 SLC with a completely after-market, professional stereo system. I did most of the work myself about 18 months ago (I used to work for a Car Audio shop), and I believe I can help. First of all, I do have the stock speakers, and would be interested in selling them if you need them. But, I'd make sure it's a speaker problem and not a wiring problem first. If you can simply replace a section of wire to fix the problem, you'd be better off. But, that may be more troubleshooting than it's worth! Now, I sort of erased the e-mail from the list, so forgive me if I give you any needless info, but this is what I know: First, the speaker comes out of the dash from the top and may need a little push from the bottom to get it out. There were 4 screws to remove from the basket of the driver, and that should do it. I believe I had to twist the speaker a bit to help clear the dash with the terminal on the back. I will go look at my car tomorrow to make sure I'm right, but that should be all you need to know. If the speaker is stuck, try twisting it or pushing it from below (You should be able to reach it by removing the fuse panel cover and the surrounding plastic shield above the pedals, etc. That is the easiest way to get in from the bottom. There's only like 7 screws to remove, if you need to get in there. Also, if you don't see 4 screws around the outer rim (basket) of the speaker, then they probably are missing and I wouldn't worry about it. They were pretty obvious when I took them out of my car, but they were difficult to get at, even with the right phillip's head. Anyway, I hope this helped, and let me know if you need new speakers or not. Or even call me if you need to. My number is (716)594-2195. I'm in Rochester, NY. Good luck, and I hope I was of some help. If not, sorry! Mike Ventrella From VoidSpirit@aol.com Sat Mar 23 16:28 PST 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 19:24:22 -0500 From: VoidSpirit@aol.com Subject: Re: Front Speakers To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <960323192421_453236442@emout07.mail.aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO jan, if you don't get any answers from this list, you could always go to the dealer's parts dept. and ask to look at the microfiche showing the exploded area in question to reveal if there are any hidden fasteners, etc... V From jrjones@planetx.bloomu.edu Sat Mar 23 14:23 PST 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 17:14:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Joshua R. Jones" Subject: Any other stereo needs??? To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Jan, I forgot to mention that I may be replacing the dash speakers in my C soon (with Quarts). I'll either be using the stock size or fitting my Quart tweeters in there (although not a good location for imaging). If you haven't found a replacement at that time I'll e-mail you when I am ready to get rid of them. Any other questions about "sound" will be answered with true opinions, as I will be experimenting with different speakers/locations/amps,etc. in the near future. (It's great to be friends with a guy who owns his own stereo shop!!! ;) Josh From jrjones@planetx.bloomu.edu Sat Mar 23 14:18 PST 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 17:08:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Joshua R. Jones" Subject: Dash speaker removal. To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Jan, Yeah! I can't believe that I'm going to be able to help the archives guru out!!!! You may or may not remember answering my post on the Nuespeed/Autothority H.P. kit, issue.... Anyway, now that I'm done feeling all full of myself.... The whole removal issue is quite easy, perhaps you just made more of it than it actually is. When I wired my stock dash speakers up to my amp, it took all of maybe, 10 minutes. First, CAREFULLY take a straight edge screwdriver and pry (GENTLY) the covers off (working around the areas that are accesable); they are held on (only) by clips. After prying off the cover, you should be able to see the speakers, however, there are no visible mounting screws. This is because there are none! Just grab onto the speaker's edge and (GENTLY again!) pry up on one side. These clips seem to be sturdy, but.... This should take care of getting the speaker out of the dash. Now, just press in the clip on the speaker terminal. ShAzAmM!!! Unattached speaker in hand. This may sound kinda "cheesy" (or Hayes-ish??) but "installation is the reverse of removal. (Not to complicated) I hope this helps! Joshua Jones 90 G60<----Greatly in need of more power!!!! P.S. Jan, If you would, I'd appreciate it if you'd fwd this to the mailing list, as I'm not to familiar w/ doing so. Feel free to edit any of the above. Thanks! From MAILER-DAEMON@fshpp1 Sat Mar 23 05:40 PST 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 08:49:28 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Hurt Subject: Re: Front Speakers In-Reply-To: <01I2N0AQXI9E000FPK@UG.EDS.COM> To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Jan, Funny you should say that your Left Front speaker on your 1990 is gone - mine is too! Has been for the last 2 years (since I had the car). I really dont like the way it sounds, but I havent been brave enough to tear (?) into my dash. I was also thinking that the problem may be the connection to the amp in the door, but I havent taken the door apart yet either. I am just waiting for someone else (you?) to investigate and report back - is that wrong of me? :) Thanx for takleing this problem, let me if you need me to compare some stuff on my car. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~T~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~/~Only~~~~ Later... | \/ | Windows95 = | Team __ / / Amiga rhurt@thepoint.net | \/\/ | Macintosh84 | AMIGA \ \/ / Makes It | '90 G-60 | | \/_/ Possible From mszlabow@newssun.med.miami.edu Fri Mar 22 14:51 PST 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 17:46:43 -0500 From: Mike Subject: Re: Front Speakers To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: <9603222246.AA03337@newssun.med.miami.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Jan, The grille should just snap out (I used a dull kitchen knife to pry it out.) The speakers as far as I remember just sit there, no screws. If they are screwed in, get a skewdriver (a right angle handle screwdriver (about $15) and take the screws out... Hope this helps, I put in sone 4" blaupunkts with titanium tweets in there-big difference. If you need more help, I will look in the car and at the stock speakers-if I can find them... Mike From wkgee@ucdavis.edu Fri Mar 22 14:18 PST 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 14:14:11 -0800 (PST) From: Wayland Gee Subject: Re: Front Speakers In-Reply-To: <01I2N0AQXI9E000FPK@UG.EDS.COM> X-Sender: ez044991@dale.ucdavis.edu To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Hey Jan .. I am pretty sure the grill just lifts off with a little prying... from the top that is.... if not then taking the cluster out is not that hard.. trsut me if i can do it so can you..... ummm if you want I can try to put my dash together and try to firgure a way out for you to take it out.... since my dash (corrado) is just lying around the house gathering dust..... I would give you my front speakers but my frien'd g60 needs them and he is closer :).... good luck WAyland From wilfred@libra.sfsu.edu Fri Mar 22 14:14 PST 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 14:10:14 -0800 (PST) From: Wilfred Leung Subject: Re: Front Speakers To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <199603222210.OAA25774@libra.sfsu.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Hmm...I don't remember how to take them off, but I do remember it only took me maybe 5 minutes. :) Wilfred Oh one more thing, besides the screws there are these things like prongs or clips that hold the speakers in place. You will need a small screwdriver either inserting it into the hole where the prong go in to release the speaker. Hope this help. From wilfred@libra.sfsu.edu Fri Mar 22 13:59 PST 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 13:55:16 -0800 (PST) From: Wilfred Leung Subject: Re: Front Speakers To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <199603222155.NAA24236@libra.sfsu.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Hi Jan, You sounded like you are going thru great difficulty with getting the dash speakers. If I remember correctly, all you need is to take the grill out and the speaker is right there. I must not be reading your mail right. Anyway, I do have the whole set of stock 92 activ speakers in my closet taking up space. If you are interested, let me know. Wilfred From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri Mar 22 13:28 PST 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 12:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: Front Speakers Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Cc: jan@camhpp49.teleport.com Reply-To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: <01I2N0AQXI9E000FPK@UG.EDS.COM> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Precedence: bulk Status: RO How the heck do you get the front speakers out, the ones mounted on the dash of our Corrados? Reason: My left front dash speaker of my 1990 G60 (with Active speakers, ie, the amp is with the door speaker) died taking with it any semblance of immaging. Well it died sort of. If I wiggle the braided wire (with a long thing wire from underneath the dash) that hooks up to the speaker's solenoid I can get it to work again, but it soon dies again with the car's vibrations. The AC duct is right below it and impossible to remove from that position (trust me I tried, almost crumpled the thing and had a hell of time getting it back on...had to use a crowbar...I know, time to worry when I use crowbar for anything...last time I used it I ended up replacing an entire bathroom and replumbing the house...grrr...major domino effect). So I tried to remove part of the dash and got as far as the vent. The grille snaps of easily, the headlight switch pops right out, the screw for the vent/headlight carrier unscrews nicely, but the second screw that Bentley claims to be there is not. So the damn thing would not budge. I figure I have to remove the entire front instrument panel. On the GTI's that was easy (snapped right out) but here I see two screws on the top of the display and I felt a screw on either side of the instrument panel hidden with two plastic tabs. Before I start yanking on those, how do they snap out? So at this point I figure I may as well ask you guys for some expert opinions before I end up with a banged up dash on the rear seats while all I had to do is something real trivial. How do you replace that #$%^&* front speaker? I hate working behind the dash. Actually I am tempted to go to a Car Audio Specialist and have them install two new front dash speakers (MB Quarts come to mind plus whatever I have found in the VW_Audio file). Personally I am happy with the Audio system in the C's. I know there is lots better, but my wife wont let me go above 0.5 Watts anyway, and I rather spend my money on things like oil coolers and sway bars. If any of you have a stock dash speaker lying around as a paper weight let me know, I may be interested. -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | http://alicudi.usc.edu:80/~jan/ \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | "Aerodynamics are for people who (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | cannot build engines" - Enzo Ferrari From sf@zgs.zgs.com Fri Mar 22 13:23 PST 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:21:07 +0000 From: Shaun Feakes Subject: Re: Front Speakers Sender: sf@zgs.com To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Reply-To: sf@zgs.com Message-Id: <1996Mar22.152107+0000@fubar> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: BWMail for Windows Version 3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Originating-Host: fubar Status: RO >Actually I am tempted to go to a Car Audio Specialist and have them >install two new front dash speakers (MB Quarts come to mind plus whatever >I have found in the VW_Audio file). Personally I am happy with the >Audio system in the C's. I know there is lots better, but my >wife wont let me go above 0.5 Watts anyway, and I rather spend my >money on things like oil coolers and sway bars. If any of you have a stock >dash speaker lying around as a paper weight let me know, I may be >interested. > If the G60 is the same as the VR6 just pop the speaker grill off using a small screw driver and The speaker is just there. Undo 2 screws ( that you will be able to see through the winsheild ) with a right angle possy drive scredriver and pull the speaker out. I Will be changing mine soon, Next month. Let me know if you want the old speakers from my car. As for the 2 plastic tabs that cover the instrunment pannel in just flick them out with a small scredriver. But in the VR6 you don't need to take out the instrunment pannel to remove the speaker. I am talking about the VR6 as if it's a diferent car I mean I have a slightly different dash to you as mine is a 93. But I am sure the above will work for removing the speaker. Later, _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Shaun Feakes _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ sf@zgs.com _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ 93 Corrado SLC From jan@UG.EDS.COM Fri Mar 22 12:13 PST 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA10868; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 12:13:07 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from fshpp1 (fshpp1.ug.eds.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I2N0AYN2JK000FPQ@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 12:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camhpp49 by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA10849; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 12:12:47 -0800 Received: by camhpp49.ug.eds.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22507; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 12:12:24 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 12:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: Front Speakers To: corrado-l@teleport.com Cc: jan@camhpp49 Message-Id: <01I2N0AYNVGY000FPQ@UG.EDS.COM> X-Envelope-To: jan@fshpp1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO How the heck do you get the front speakers out, the ones mounted on the dash of our Corrados? Reason: My left front dash speaker of my 1990 G60 (with Active speakers, ie, the amp is with the door speaker) died taking with it any semblance of immaging. Well it died sort of. If I wiggle the braided wire (with a long thing wire from underneath the dash) that hooks up to the speaker's solenoid I can get it to work again, but it soon dies again with the car's vibrations. The AC duct is right below it and impossible to remove from that position (trust me I tried, almost crumpled the thing and had a hell of time getting it back on...had to use a crowbar...I know, time to worry when I use crowbar for anything...last time I used it I ended up replacing an entire bathroom and replumbing the house...grrr...major domino effect). So I tried to remove part of the dash and got as far as the vent. The grille snaps of easily, the headlight switch pops right out, the screw for the vent/headlight carrier unscrews nicely, but the second screw that Bentley claims to be there is not. So the damn thing would not budge. I figure I have to remove the entire front instrument panel. On the GTI's that was easy (snapped right out) but here I see two screws on the top of the display and I felt a screw on either side of the instrument panel hidden with two plastic tabs. Before I start yanking on those, how do they snap out? So at this point I figure I may as well ask you guys for some expert opinions before I end up with a banged up dash on the rear seats while all I had to do is something real trivial. How do you replace that #$%^&* front speaker? I hate working behind the dash. Actually I am tempted to go to a Car Audio Specialist and have them install two new front dash speakers (MB Quarts come to mind plus whatever I have found in the VW_Audio file). Personally I am happy with the Audio system in the C's. I know there is lots better, but my wife wont let me go above 0.5 Watts anyway, and I rather spend my money on things like oil coolers and sway bars. If any of you have a stock dash speaker lying around as a paper weight let me know, I may be interested. -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | http://alicudi.usc.edu:80/~jan/ \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | "Aerodynamics are for people who (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | cannot build engines" - Enzo Ferrari From jan@UG.EDS.COM Tue Mar 26 09:21 PST 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 09:21:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: Re: Any other stereo needs??? In-Reply-To: ; from "Joshua R. Jones" at Mar 23, 96 5:14 pm To: jrjones@planetx.bloomu.edu Cc: jan@camhpp49 Message-Id: <01I2SFGUQSOY001JZR@UG.EDS.COM> X-Envelope-To: jan@fshpp1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO > Jan, > > I forgot to mention that I may be replacing the dash speakers in my C soon > (with Quarts). I'll either be using the stock size or fitting my Quart > tweeters in there (although not a good location for imaging). If you > haven't found a replacement at that time I'll e-mail you when I am ready > to get rid of them. Any other questions about "sound" will be answered > with true opinions, as I will be experimenting with different > speakers/locations/amps,etc. in the near future. (It's great to be friends > with a guy who owns his own stereo shop!!! ;) > > Josh Hi Josh, Thanks for the offer. Let me know how it works out with those speakers and what you think a nice set up it. The MBQs seem pretty nice. I may also be interested in the used speakers too...need to pay off some bills first. So let me know. -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | http://alicudi.usc.edu:80/~jan/ \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | "Aerodynamics are for people who (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | cannot build engines" - Enzo Ferrari From jan@UG.EDS.COM Tue Mar 26 09:14 PST 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 09:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: Re: My amp...it's bigger than yours In-Reply-To: ; from "rbeaudette@state.ma.us" at Mar 24, 96 9:27 pm To: rbeaudette@state.ma.us Cc: jan@camhpp49 Message-Id: <01I2SF85I41E0015E5@UG.EDS.COM> X-Envelope-To: jan@fshpp1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO Hi Roland, > For what it's worth, I have my stock speakers lying around if you are > interested. I much prefer my ADS so you are welcome to them. I may want to take you up on that offer...I got to pay of some bills before I can sneak in another upgrade past my wife ;-> Before we do anything, can you let me know if your speakers have the following part #: Nokia, 535 035 403B and it's the type with the three clips that snap into the dash. Thanks, (PS: About those ADS's, did you just do the dash? Hard to install?) -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | http://alicudi.usc.edu:80/~jan/ \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | "Aerodynamics are for people who (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | cannot build engines" - Enzo Ferrari From: Jan Vandenbrande Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 21:03:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: G60 Speakers I want to thank all of you for your support in getting Jan's blown speaker out of its hiding place (90 G60) without removing the entire dash. Ever remember taking an exam, and you are 3 pages into a proof while you see everyone around you with only 1/2 a page....well that's how I felt with the speaker and knew that I took a worng turn somewhere. The top of the speaker is recessed in a cylindrical plastic enclosure which has 3 clips that hold it in place in the dash. I checked with our 92 SLC and it has the same configuartion, but contrary to some of you, has no screws. (I really do not understand why this car went through so many design changes). A stiff tug got the speaker out, and there seems to be an intermittent contact in the coil. I had a look (hear) at the MB Quartz. Nice. The model I listened to were the 100 KN S, comes with a cross over filter, looks like they can be made to fit with some work, but also cost around 230 US$... (Will they work ok with the stock system? I hear some of you blew the stock system with new speakers). However, 230$ seems a bit steep (especially after dropping a Quaiffe into my tranny) and so I may take some of you up on your kind offer to releave you from your former stock speakers, now catching dust as a door stop. And, yes, Mr Archive does indeed need advice at times...recall that the archives are the way they are because of contributions such as these from all of you. "We are the Borg..." [Star Trek, NG] - -- From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Tue Mar 26 13:58 PST 1996 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:54:09 -0500 (EST) From: Slctom@cris.com Subject: Re: cd changer Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Slctom@cris.com Message-Id: <9603262154.AA12145@voyager.cris.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.60 (unregistered) Precedence: bulk Lines: 20 Status: RO On Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:43:49 -0500 (EST) in Newsgroup: Email you wrote: SCL>CD changer control: Marisa, the '92 factory Premium sound system is SCL>equipped for CD changer control. There is a socket on the back of the SCL>head unit for the cd player to plug into. As far as I know, only the VW SCL>changer will work. It may be possible to adapt a plug so an aftermarket SCL>system can be plugged in...other wise you are stuck with the FM type A special adapter can be bought from Peripheral Electronics (in San Diego) for about $40. It only works with a Panasonic 6 disc CD changer so keep that in mind (read that: if your factory stereo is made by Clarion then the adapter is useless to you). I installed one in my C last year and have no complaints (except for the low power of the stock head unit). If you are interested email me and I will get you their number. Tom Trawinski 1993 Corrado SLC (Red/Black Leather) "Wind in my hair, shifting and drifting mechanical music, adrenalin surge." From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Sun Apr 14 18:11 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02017; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:11:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I3JHEG4SW0004DNC@UG.EDS.COM>; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA17303; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:07:16 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA17261 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.mai.net (root@mailhost.mai.net [204.152.42.42]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA17239 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.106.215.35] (ppp018.md1.mai.net [206.106.215.39]) by mailhost.mai.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA10295 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 19:44:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 19:44:53 -0400 From: achorn@mailhost.mai.net (george achorn) Subject: CD Changer Simplified etc. Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: achorn@mailhost.mai.net (george achorn) Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I ran down to Georgetown this afternoon, and while I was there I stopped by Barnes and Knoble to check out the new magazines. Along with the new Sport Compact Car I also picked up the new Motor Trend. I usually don't buy it, but this time I did. On page 128 of the May Issue (Dodge Viper GTS on cover), there is an article on the installation of CD changers to work with stock audio systems. It involved a product from Precision Interface Electronics (800)526-8590. It is a cable that when used with the correct CD changer allows it to work with the VW head unit. It also does more. In the case of the article a shop installed a Panasonic (714)373-7200 CX-DP600 six disc changer to a '96 Jetta GLX's system. While that may not be that remarkable it also allowed them to install a Sony (201/930-1000) XM C-2000 crossover / amplifier and an SAS Bazooka (504/272-7135) T-62 subwoofer. They said the system can be done without the subwoofer and increase the output of the stock system w/o replacing speakers. Note that they said that the CD changer to use can vary from model to model. The C may be different. Still it looks like a great way (and not flashy) of increasing the capacity of a stock system. In cars with prewiring done in the factory (SLCs I think are included) little instalation is needed. If you are interested I suggest you take a look at the magazine. Motor Trend is pretty common, it's even at most public libraries as are copying machines (the article is one page). Later-G \/ \/\/ Drivers Wanted. PS Corrado Picture- I have two pictures someone might want to scan for the www page. One is a cut away picture of a yellow G60. I saw this poster in dealers when the C was first introduced. I have a smaller copy in an AUTOMOBILE Magazine handout from VW. It's cool, but does have staples in the middle...otherwise perfect. The other is a Road & Track road test style cutaway lineart side view of a 93 on Corrado SLC. It's Cool. If someone is interested in scanning it for the page email me. From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri May 10 14:40 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA20359; Fri, 10 May 1996 14:40:00 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I4JLLLKJ3400DRHF@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 10 May 1996 14:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05484; Fri, 10 May 1996 14:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 10 May 1996 14:35:13 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA05093 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 14:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from argusbbs.com (argusbbs.com [206.66.42.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04981 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 14:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MHS by argusbbs.com with MHS id BACDAJFO ; Fri, 10 May 1996 16:35:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:35:08 -0500 From: lycanthrope@argusbbs.com Subject: Stereo Whine Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: lycanthrope@argusbbs.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO ST>Hi - my stereo (aftermarket) just started making an engine-speed ST>whine. I took it to VW who said "it's the stereo" (of course) but I'm ST>suspicious since it comes and goes (and generally goes when I make a ST>right turn, which is bizarre). ST>Anything in particular I should be checking? I'm gonna poke at the ST>wires tonight but that's about the extent of my technical abilities. ST>:) The first place to start is by disconnecting all RCA leads (patch cords) from your amplifier(s). Then see if the whine goes away. *IF* the whine is gone, then you have a "ground loop" problem. What this means is the ground potential of the head unit is different than the amplifier(s). The way to fix this is to ground all of the pieces at the same point on the car. An alternative is to make sure all the pieces are properly grounded (even though at seperate points). BTW, my best educated guess is that this is where your problem is since, it goes away during right hand turns (indicating a loose connection somewhere). If the whine doesn't go away with the RCA leads disconnected, then the noise is getting in through the power cables. A filter capacitor in your alternator or amplifier(s) may be going bad. (This isn't likely since the noise comes and goes). The only way to fix this is to replace the unit in question. IF it's the alternator (all amps have the whine), then you may put an additional filter on the power wires, but that's really just a band-aid fix. Let me know how it goes. It sure is satisfying to cure those nasty whines! Best regards, Don Ingram lycanthrope@argusbbs.com From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri May 24 05:49 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25514; Fri, 24 May 1996 05:49:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I52MIUKOBK00GDV4@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 24 May 1996 05:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA22246; Fri, 24 May 1996 05:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 24 May 1996 05:26:12 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA22217 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 05:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from upsmot01.msn.com (upsmot01.msn.com [204.95.110.78]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA22206 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from upmajb06 ([204.95.110.89]) by upsmot01.msn.com (8.6.8.1/Configuration 4) with SMTP id FAA26851 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 05:17:56 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:55:18 +0000 (UT) From: Christopher Shenefield Subject: Another stereo noise view Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Christopher Shenefield Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I thought I would forward a note from my brother about curing stereo noise. I asked "How do you stop the noise in the stereo produced by engine, a/c, etc." His reply is below. FYI...he has been a Boston Acoustics product manager and is now the technical director at THX Home Theater; so his advice comes with substantial experience. ---------- From: Steve Shenefield Sent: Thursday, May 23, 1996 2:07 PM To: Christopher Shenefield Subject: RE: luk Re noise - its all in the ground wiring. If the amp is grounded to the chassis, and the radio is grounded to the radio wiring harness, usually there are problems. It is better if the radio is grounded to the same point as the amp. Just run a wire. And disconnect the ground at the wiring harness. Also some head units have ground lift switches - look in the directions. Suppressors usually don't work, unless you are getting noise specifically on AM radio. Stephen From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Thu May 23 19:36 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA20825; Thu, 23 May 1996 19:36:48 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I521ROM2I800G8SY@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 23 May 1996 19:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20081; Thu, 23 May 1996 19:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 23 May 1996 19:32:20 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA19762 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 19:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acs4.bu.edu (root@ACS4.BU.EDU [128.197.154.40]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA19665 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 19:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by acs4.bu.edu (8.6.13/BU_SmartClient-1.0) id WAA112996; Thu, 23 May 1996 22:27:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 22:27:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Bennett Shamsai Subject: Re: corrado-l-digest V1 #622 In-Reply-To: <199605231255.FAA12996@desiree.teleport.com> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Bennett Shamsai Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, About the questions about the stereo modification: I just pulled out the speakers and the amps and I popped in Infinity 5.25 inch speakers. I just had to enlarge one of the mounting holes on the speaker and I used the mount posts that use to hold on the amps. It fit really well and it was easy. Bennett From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri May 24 18:19 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24573; Fri, 24 May 1996 18:19:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I53DD7EM8G00FVWV@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 24 May 1996 18:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21007; Fri, 24 May 1996 18:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 24 May 1996 18:14:50 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA20891 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 18:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghia.nyquist.com ([206.65.128.86]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20860 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 18:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from passat (206.65.128.71) by ghia.nyquist.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.80) with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 May 1996 20:13:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 20:18:01 -0500 From: Yoshiki Hakutani Subject: Re: corrado-l-digest V1 #622 Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Yoshiki Hakutani Message-Id: <31A65FC8.4241@mail.nyquist.com> Organization: Nyquist Technologies X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3Gold (WinNT; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: Status: RO Bennett Shamsai wrote: > > Hi, > > About the questions about the stereo modification: I just pulled > out the speakers and the amps and I popped in Infinity 5.25 inch > speakers. I just had to enlarge one of the mounting holes on the speaker > and I used the mount posts that use to hold on the amps. It fit really > well and it was easy. > > Bennett I was the original poster: I went out and got a set of Polk separates.... they fit into the door locations... I had to break off one of the mounting posts for the original but I did get it to fit on 3 of the remaining.... I am mounting the tweeters in the cover opposite the mirror housing... thanks for all the suggestions! I think that it will sound quite nice! BTW, as soon as I find out the solution to my idle problem, I'll post it. Thanks again, Yosh Yoshiki Hakutani hakutani@mail.nyquist.com '71 Karmann Ghia Convertible, '88 Jetta GLi 16v, '90 Corrado G60 From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Thu May 16 15:18 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09201; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:18:27 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I4S0M3Q1YO00E7F5@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23952; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 16 May 1996 15:10:19 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA23349 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iris.mai.net (root@[204.152.42.17]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22591 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.106.215.40] (ppp019.md1.mai.net [206.106.215.40]) by iris.mai.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA06912 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 18:11:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:11:01 -0500 From: achorn@iris.mai.net (george achorn) Subject: stereo etc. Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: achorn@mailhost.mai.net (Unverified) To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: achorn@iris.mai.net (george achorn) Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Someone asked for the info about adding on to factory systems so I thought I would give it again. In the May 96 iss of Motor Trend on p. 128 there is an article on adding to factory systems and the car in subject is a Jetta GLX, '96. The factory system had a Panasonic changer, sony crossover amplifier and SAS Bazooka, though it states the bazooka is not needed for great sound. The interfacing pieces were made by Precision Interface Electronics (800)526-8590.Call them for info or check out the MT issue in a library. In the new issue of Complete Car Magazine from Britain there is an article on the new Golf. There are some great pictures that appear to be touched up, but give the general shape of the car. It stated several times that this would be the final generation Golf. Has anyone heard of VW canceling the Golf? Why would they do that? It makes no sense. It also says that the new A4 platform will be home to the Golf, Vento/Jetta, Audi A3, Skoda Octavia, Seat Toledo, and the Beatle. Combine that with the rumored Corrado II, VW roadster, Porsche sports car, Audi TT coupe and roadster, and Golf Variant and you have 12 distinctive cars off of one platform. Geez. In the Golf A4 article there is also a great picture of an A3 3 door spotted in South Africa. I sold my Grand Cherokee, and bought a '94 Jetta GLX. It's no C I know, but you try going two weeks without a car. I was stuck at my parents house borrowing either an Olds Station wagon or a Chrysler New Yorker. Still. I'm back in the saddle and lovin' life. I'm going to stay on this list, but I had heard of a Jetta list. Can someone give me some info. Thanks. C SIGHTING- In Towson, MD today for the Chrysler Corpration Stockholder's meeting (got to ask Bob Eaton some questions) and I saw a light metallic blue C, lowered, aftermarket rims etc. It had a yellow EIP tuning sticker on the windshield. Are you a C-list member? Later-G \/ \/\/ Drivers Wanted. '94 Jetta GLX Black/Black From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri Jun 7 21:52 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23128; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:52:11 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I5N4VO818000JZ2J@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 07 Jun 1996 21:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13858; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:44:22 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA13809 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip-pdx10-40.teleport.com (ip-pdx10-40.teleport.com [206.163.122.104]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13774; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 21:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Todd E. Schwartz" Subject: CD Changer Question Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: windh2o@mail.teleport.com To: "marvin (m.) lu" Cc: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: "Todd E. Schwartz" Message-Id: <199606080444.VAA13774@desiree.teleport.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hey Marvin- Yep, there are aftermarket changers that work, with an adapter, on the 93-95 SLCs. Specifically: 1) Panasonic DP 60; and 2) Panasonic DP600 3) Fosgate (sp) cd changer (installer compared the DP 600 and found that the Fosgate was the same cd changer as the Panasonic--Only $150 more expensive....It looked like it would work...) This is only true if you have the Panasonic factory unit. Some SLCs have a Clarion. I'm not familiar with what aftermarket changers work with the Clarions...But I'm pretty sure there are some out there...You have a Panisonic factory unit if the external face of your. cassette door on your stereo is smooth (Clarions have a little nub). Anyway, the DP 600 interfaces superbly with the factory unit--I believe it's very similar to the VW (Panasonic) changer that the dealer offers for $450. My only gripe is that I don't think I can shuffle all the discs... Install is pretty straight forward (I paid to have it done, but watched...). To get an adapter contact Peripheral Electronics in San Diego at 619.695.2133. You need adapter part #VWPAN. Let me know if ya need more info... which At 01:51 PM 6/7/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Todd, >I've been thinking about getting a CD changer for my 93 VR6 also, >is your Panasonic DP600 a good unit to hook up with the factory >head? How much work require to do the installation, I have been hearing >that there isn't any CD changers on the market that can connect with >our factory head unless you get it from the dealer true? >Anyways I appreciate any info. Thanks! > >Cheers, >Marvin. > > Todd Schwartz "A good computer game is fun. A great '93 VR6 SLC computer game ruins your life. . ." windH2O@teleport.com \\\\\\ (; <> - -_-- \ _\ - ___ ) \ / < = = => = = => = = = => -- __---- -- ) > \ / - - _-- )___ \ ,-------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PRAY FOR WIND...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Wed Jun 12 22:52 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA15048; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:52:19 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I5U6FU1T3400LR2G@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28581; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:46:36 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA28329 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghia.nyquist.com ([206.65.128.86]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28240; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from passat (206.65.128.71) by ghia.nyquist.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.80) with SMTP id ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:44:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:49:02 -0500 From: Yoshiki Hakutani Subject: Re: Attn: Steve Knitter Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: "Todd E. Schwartz" Cc: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Yoshiki Hakutani Message-Id: <31BFABCE.20AC@mail.nyquist.com> Organization: Nyquist Technologies X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3Gold (WinNT; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <199606130446.VAA01128@desiree.teleport.com> Status: RO Todd E. Schwartz wrote: > Do you have any tips on getting the rear speaker > panels out. It looks like I have to unbolt about for bolts. You mentioned > screws in a December post to the Corrado list...Can I get the rear panel out > by just undoing the screws? Also, what did you have to saw? I was hoping I > wouldn't have to cut anything... > > I'd appreciate any tips you could give. Thanks! > > Todd Schwartz "A good computer game is fun. A great > '93 VR6 SLC computer game ruins your life. . ." > windH2O@teleport.com I'm not Steve, but I hope you don't mind my butting in :) the panel on each side is held on by four bolts. One is a real bear to get to AND to get back on.... it is between the front of the piece and the strut tower. it is at best, a tight fit.. I dropped the nut at least twice but it flew up into the speaker magnet ... at least it didn't fall all the way down :) you will also have to remove the single phillips screw holding down the plastic piece around the rear shoulder belt where it goes into the rear panel. the speaker housing itself is held to the entire piece by (I think) 2 screws. it then plops out. As far as sawing, it may differ with the speaker you are using. I put in 4x6 Blaupunkt 2-ways and had to saw the entire bottom plastic piece that protects the bottom/magnet of the stock speaker. The magnet on the Blau was simply too deep. I also had to saw a good portion of the speaker itself (the metal portions of course!) BTW, many thanks to Ashley, Bob Ahlberg, Yannis, and anyone else I may have left out on the comments and hints on a sucessful stereo system install. I've now got: Blaupunkt Monterey Indash CD from my GLi (4 speaker outs, 4 pre outs) going into: FRONT-powered by the head-Polk MM3055 separates: 5 1/4" mids in the doors and tweeters flush/swivel mounted into the plastic piece opposite the mirrors with the crossovers zip-tied onto metal brackets behind the center console. REAR-also powered by the head unit- Blaupunkt 4627 2-way 4x6. To give the system some low end, I added an old Sherwood amp I had sitting around, powering a JBL 8" enclosed, ported sub. (the signal is from the rear preout of the head unit) I strapped the sub down using a loop of nylon stuff around the top of the strut housing, looping around the enclosure and ending back up bolted under one of the above mentioned bolts that hold the rear parcel shelf up (driver's side). To mount the amp, I attached it to the back of the driver's side rear seat. To avoid drilling anything, I used a very thin piece (~ 1/4" thick) of fiberboard cut to fit. I drilled holes in the board, inserted bolts from behind and slid the board in BEHIND the two thin metal reinforcement strips on the back of the seat; then nut'ed the amp down to the threads sticking out. The metal straps on the back of the seats hold the board VERY firmly. I also mounted the Fosgate TT-5.0 Inductor to the same board. As far as the power for the amp, I did end up cutting into the wire harness. shame shame I know, but it was Sunday afternoon and I wanted to get it done... no patience I guess :) per the Sunday evening posts of Ashley, Tom Trawinski, and Jeff Wong, I will rewire it soon. I ended up splicing into terminal 30 of the fuse/relay panel. It seems to power the whole damn thing, if I read my Bentley correctly. (p.30 of the Bentley wiring diagram, position Y) I did fuse the slice BTW. Everything is working pretty well and am happy that the only cutting/fabricating I had to do was to the power wire, the rear speaker brackets, and the side mirror cover pod thingys. Total time invested (including taking apart both door panels, footwell kick plates (top, and both sides of both sides, rocker plastic cover, rear seat side panels) and all the wiring, I would guess that I probably spent 6~7 hours total. If you need tunes immediately, (I have a 1 hour commute each way, every day!) I would do everything in stages.... I really do enjoy this kind of stuff so please excuse my verbage and over-enthusiasm. While poking around originally looking for a hole in the firewall, I even managed to find that one of the 4 wires in the harness that goes to the oxy sensor is broken and corroded! Hopefully this is the cause to my wild idle problems. (Hamton, I'll let you know if this cures my problem *%*&$&#^$# !) I'm planning to fix it this weekend so I'll see. oops. really long post. sorry for those with sleepy eyes. Yosh - who is done posting for the day :) (and is now sure that all the old-timers on the list have already seen all of the above at LEAST 10 times) Yoshiki Hakutani hakutani@mail.nyquist.com '71 Karmann Ghia Convertible, '88 Jetta GLi 16v, '90 Corrado G60 From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri Jun 14 06:53 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25658; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 06:53:28 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I5W1IQ41LC00HYCH@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 06:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA13732; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 06:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 06:46:43 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA13644 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 06:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailer.together.net (root@mailer.together.net [204.97.120.27]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA13618 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 06:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mailer.together.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id JAA08286 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:14:14 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by hallam.hallam.com id AA834768701 Fri, 14 Jun 96 09:11:41 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:11:41 +0000 From: cgade@hallam.com Subject: Subwoofer Space Saving Installation... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: cgade@hallam.com Message-Id: <9605148347.AA834768701@hallam.hallam.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I thought this may be a point of interest for some... I like the fact the Corrado can carry all your drums, groceries skydiving toys, golf bags and friends with room to spare. Therefore, I didn't want to fill the rear hatch with a huge subwoofer box or loose the spare tire but I still wanted more base out of my "new" stereo. Hmmmmmm..... My solution was to build a .75 to .78 ft3 cavity out of 3/4" HDFB for a single 10" woffer. The enclosure is not square and fits snugly on the left side under the rear speaker shelf and against the left rear strut tower. The important thing here is that I have not sacrificed much usable real estate since I built the unit vertically not horizontally. front (facing inside left fender) top |---------/ |--------\ | ( ) / rear strut tower | \ |______ / |__________\ I did have to relocate the hatch light but that was a cinch. The base response is very good. I won't go onto details on the components because that isn't my point about the installation... All you stereo installation gurus: what do you think? Chris Vermont 93 SLC (without hovercraft option) From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Thu Jun 20 01:00 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14831; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 01:00:56 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I642MSDFJK00MDZ5@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA12846; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:45:53 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26868 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c00582-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu (c00582-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu [152.1.22.42]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22282 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c00582-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu (8.6.9/EC06jan95) id NAA21436; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:42:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:42:23 -0400 From: Jonathan Courtney Evans Subject: The Perfect Radio Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Jonathan Courtney Evans Message-Id: <9606191342.ZM21434@eos.ncsu.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Corrado folks, I've have found the perfect replacement radio for the Corrado. It's the Kenwood Stealth Retracting Mechanism tape player. I think its the KRC-801 or 901. If you haven't heard of it, it automatically closes when you turn off the car, and opens when you turn on the car. You have to see it to really understand it, but it kind of hides the face of the radio with a piece of plastic so it looks like there isn't even a radio there. Kinda like what the factory puts to cover the radio whole in the dashboard in cars without radios. A bunch of servos make it whir closed in about 5 seconds. It is the EXACT same color and texture as the dash of my 90 corrado. It fits PERFECTLY flush in the slot. People always ask me if it's a factory stereo, it looks so perfect. It goes really well with the automatic spoiler. I think they were made for each other. People get a kick out of the stereo, and when they see the fin go up, they freak out. It runs about $450 for the cheaper model and $500 for the nicer one. -- Jonathan "Naked Man" Evans From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Wed Jul 31 01:07 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA28880; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:07:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from greta.teleport.com (greta.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-6 #15834) id <01I7PD6YRPWG002RKO@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA25688; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:00:35 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25669 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA25665 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghia.nyquist.com ([206.65.128.86]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21789 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from passat (206.65.128.71) by ghia.nyquist.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.80) with SMTP id ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 03:00:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 03:04:03 -0500 From: Yoshiki Hakutani Subject: Re: Questions about stereo.. Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: Zpeed@aol.com Cc: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Yoshiki Hakutani Message-Id: <31FF1373.B@mail.nyquist.com> Organization: Nyquist Technologies Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (WinNT; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <960731010534_168299706@emout07.mail.aol.com> Status: RO Zpeed@aol.com wrote: > > I've been thinking about getting a Indash CD player in my car. The dealer > has to install it for the warranty to be effective. Alpine. > The question is if there are any special precautions I need them to take? > I've heard the speakers are powered by an outside amp so do I need to > upgrade everything or can I just get a head unit and worry about the rest > when I have money. Any help would be appreciated.. > > Aaron.. One of the most annoying thing about trying to find an Alpine at your typical superstore kind of place is having to have them install it. With no offense to the "pro's" that install stereo's, I'd never let any of them touch the wiring on my car, or for that matter, any piece of the dash. I'm not saying that the not-too-careful amateur won't hack his dash to pieces if left to his own devices but ..... As far as aktiv keep or go.... I just plain ripped my whole system out. it depends on what kind of money you want to spend. My personal system is nothing extravagent but I feel that I spent money where it was warranted.... 1. Blaupunkt Monterey In-dash CD: pity, no longer made. very skip resistant, and the built-in 4way amp is plenty for most situations. Cost: about 2 years ago ~$350 I pulled if from my 16v GLi. 2. Polk MM3055 5 1/4" + tweeters. A nice set with very clean crossovers. 5 1/4" fit in stock location w/ stock covers. Put tweeters in the triangular piece opposite the mirrors. Driven off of head unit. Cost: ~289. found them on special from a custom sound shop. 3. Blaupunkt RL 4627 4x6" in the stock rear location. Much hacking involved due to depth of speaker. Cost: cheap. I think I got them @ Best Buy for $40 or so. Also driven off of head unit. 4. Finding the bass in the system lacking (due to the crispness of the Polk's tweeters) I got an old beater amp (Sherwood 180W) and a JBL GT800T 8" ported sub. The Blaupunkt head unit has 4 preamp outs so I used the rear set to go to the amp and then to the sub. Cost: The amp was cheap ~$50 from a friend; the sub wasn't the cheapest thing $250 but I really wanted to avoid boomy bass. (for me, the tighter the better) SO: well under $1000 (esp. considering the depreciation of the head unit.) I'm very, very happy with the sound. There is plenty of power and the system is especially crisp, clean and sounding. My personal taste in music runs Natalie Merchant / Annie Lennox / female vocals so YMMV. Caveats: It took me well over 7 hours of install time. This includes wiring for amp and a very clean install...no wiring sticking out or anything :) And I've done installs before on my other cars. (my 1st one in my '83 GTI was quite the hack job) Moral: I'm not sure. Kind of a long answer of dubious use to you after re-checking what it was that you were asking. I guess that I would suggest re-thinking what you should do. In my opinion, any stereo shop that would agree to install an Alpine head unit in you Corrado without taking in account the Aktiv system obviously does not know the Corrado well enough to be hacking into it. (for my comfort level) (note, the best that even the knowledgable ones seem to come up with is a pained look on their faces as they mutter something-or-another about the "weird VW system. mutter mutter" :) If you or anyone else needs long-winded advise, please feel free to drop a line! Yosh Yoshiki Hakutani hakutani@mail.nyquist.com '71 Karmann Ghia Convertible, '88 Jetta GLi 16v, '90 Corrado G60 From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Wed Aug 7 18:51 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA06536; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:51:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from greta.teleport.com (greta.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-6 #15834) id <01I806DS6SVK004FOW@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Wed, 07 Aug 1996 18:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00896; Wed, 07 Aug 1996 18:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 07 Aug 1996 18:25:11 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA00882 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 07 Aug 1996 18:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00873 for ; Wed, 07 Aug 1996 18:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ginger.vnet.net (root@ginger.vnet.net [166.82.1.69]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA19413 for ; Wed, 07 Aug 1996 18:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazzmin.vnet.net (karolyi@jazzmin.vnet.net [166.82.1.4]) by ginger.vnet.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA16550 for ; Wed, 07 Aug 1996 20:28:05 -0400 Received: (from karolyi@localhost) by jazzmin.vnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA13106 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Wed, 07 Aug 1996 21:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 21:24:16 -0400 (EDT) From: karolyi@vnet.net Subject: Installed Eclipse 4x6's, sound great! Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: karolyi@vnet.net Message-Id: <199608080124.VAA13106@jazzmin.vnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello Corradophiles, I ended up buying some Eclipse 4x6 "euro-fit" speakers and installing them last night. After figuring out how to undo those wierd self-tapping nuts to get the old ones off, they fit perfectly into the factory holes, although the fit was very tight. Cost $80 and they sound great with enough bass to get me through until I can afford a CD player with pre-amp outputs for my amp and bass tube. Thanks for all your advice! Jay Karolyi From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri Sep 13 19:38 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA16627; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 19:38:57 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from greta.teleport.com (greta.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01I9FWOHYTY8000AO2@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 19:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20672; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 19:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 19:32:40 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20647 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 19:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20638 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 19:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rapidnet.com (root@rapidnet.com [205.164.216.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21385 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 19:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm071.rapidnet.com (pm071.rapidnet.com [205.164.216.76]) by rapidnet.com (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA20853 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 20:32:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 20:32:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Victor Johnson Subject: spare tire subwoofer Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: vic@rapidnet.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Victor Johnson Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960913193344.225fbb0e@rapidnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello all, I installed the Pioneer spare tire subwoofer last year as well as upgrading the front and rear speakers. It sounds really nice. I used a 140w Pioneer Bridgeable amp also. I went with a Pioneer in-dash CD player so I didn't have to find a place for the changer. I really like the set-up. I don't have stereo components mounted all over the car and It sounds very good. People don't hear the base in their houses as I drive by but it sounds nice and rich in the car. I've never had the in-dash CD skip either like the changers do. Okay, sometimes it's a pain changing CD's one-by-one but that's the way it goes I quess. The subwoofer fits perfectly inside the spare tire. I'm sure it won't affect the crash protection since the tire is secured exactly the same. You will have to find another place for the jack though. I was thinking of putting it in-between the rear seat where the first aid kit goes but it didn't fit very well. I made a small box and covered it with carpet and mounted it on the right side of the cargo area for the jack and extra tools. Works great. See ya, Vic 93 SLC, 86 4000Q, 97 Jetta GLX (On order, delivery early November they say.) **************************************************************************** ******** /_____\ From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Sep 30 11:06 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05854; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:05:55 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from greta.teleport.com (greta.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IA35PYMMQO000FGJ@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26814; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:00:06 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA26117 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26084 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.southern.edu (jkarolyi@ns.southern.edu [207.17.136.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14738 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jkarolyi@localhost) by ns.southern.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA22144 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:59:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Jay Karolyi Subject: Aktiv stereo info needed. Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Jay Karolyi Message-Id: <199609301759.NAA22144@ns.southern.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello Corradophiles, Well I got my Kenwood CD player in today and am in the process of installation. I removed the door amp/speaker and am trying to figure out how the Aktiv system actually works so I can wire in my new system. I have come to the following conclusions: 1. The Heidelberg unit acts as just a preamp output, sending signals to the door amps. 2. The door amps power the dash, rear deck, and the built-in door speaker. 3. The red harness plug (into the Heidel) involves speaker wires only, and the black harness plug is for power wires. If I am mistaken about any of this please let me know, it might save me some time. Also, are there any wires coming from the Heidelberg that power the FUBA antenna or is the normal antenna connection all that is required for good reception? Here is my plan for hooking up the speaker wires to the Kenwood: 1. There are six wires from the red harness plug, three to each door. Since my Kenwood has four channels (eight wires total) that leaves me two wires short. Run one new wire to each door. 2. At the door, run one channel to the rear speakers and split the other channel to power the door speaker (with disabled amp) and the dash speaker. PLEASE let me know if this setup is impossible. One more question, do the stock door and dash speakers work well with power from an aftermarket deck? Of course the original amp is not used. Thanks a million for any help!!! Jay Karolyi '90 Pearl Green G60 From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Fri Oct 4 22:51 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22392; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 22:51:36 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from greta.teleport.com (greta.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IA9FJ1NV28003804@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 22:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA10148; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 18:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 04 Oct 1996 18:26:33 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id QAA02564 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com ([192.108.254.21]) by greta.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16272 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 10:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.southern.edu (jkarolyi@ns.southern.edu [207.17.136.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20262 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 10:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jkarolyi@localhost) by ns.southern.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA19995 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:29:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Jay Karolyi Subject: Thanks 2U: Aktiv to Kenwood successful! Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Jay Karolyi Message-Id: <199610021729.NAA19995@ns.southern.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello Corradophiles, I now have a 100 Watt Kenwood CD player installed with the Aktiv system totally disabled! I want to thank everyone who responded to my questions, especially Mark Hassman, Rich J. and of course Don Tipton who sold me the unit. Thanks to Mark's advice, I was able to wire my dash and door speakers in a series so I could keep a six-speaker setup. Sounds SO much better with the additional power. It took a FULL day to remodel the system and get everything hooked up properly. I wondered why the Aktiv system sounded weak until I took apart the Nokia door amps. They are made of nothing but a couple diodes and capacitors. And these wimpy things are supposed to power the whole system? Where did VW get the 125 watt claim in the C brochure? I drilled a hole in the back of the Nokias and ran a new wire to the speaker inside. The enclosure helps the sound. Now all that's left to do is hook up my 200W amp and subwoofer tube and I'll finally have a great system! To hell with Aktiv...nice idea but not enough power! Jay Karolyi '90 Pearl Green G60 '69 Blood Orange Porsche 911T From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Thu Oct 17 08:59 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA01234; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:59:02 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from greta.teleport.com (greta.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IAQS9PZ9OG007SRQ@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.0/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA00517; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:46:31 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.0/8.7.3) id IAA00278 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25579 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.glasscity.net (home.glasscity.net [204.137.220.111]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28486 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-12.dyt.glasscity.net (204.137.221.62) by home.glasscity.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:12:19 -0400 Received: by dialup-12.dyt.glasscity.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BBBBAE.7DF480E0@dialup-12.dyt.glasscity.net>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:07:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:07:51 -0400 From: Paolo Dominguez Subject: Speaker specs, enclosures, items for sale Sender: owner-@teleport.com To: "'corrado-l@teleport.com'" Reply-To: Paolo Dominguez Message-Id: <01BBBBAE.7DF480E0@dialup-12.dyt.glasscity.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: RO Hey C-audiophiles, I finally installed a pair of JL Audio 8W-1's in two bandpass = enclosures. They not only look incredible, but they sound even = better!!! For those of you who missed my last post, I have found some = bandpass enclosures (the kind with the plexiglass that shows off the = sub) that fit EXACTLY flush with the rear seats in the trunk (a little = more than 37in wide). The plexiglass and sub face the rear seats, so = the only way you can see it is to pull down the rear seats, revealing = the two 8in beasts rumbling behind them. Not only is the enclosure a = perfect fit, but there is no other pre-fabricated sub box (or even = custom built) that takes up less room. It really takes up hardly any = room, and it looks stock when you pop the trunk. Up front I installed some Competition MB Quarts separates. Again, they = fit perfectly in the sides of the doors. For those of you looking for = dimensions on the size of the speaker that fits in the door, it will = hold almost all 5.25in speakers. The trick is the depth, so that it = does not hit the glass. Inside there is a rubber piece which protects = the glass. From this point, to the edge of the speaker, is 3.75in. I = said that was the max. depth that a 5.25 speaker can have. For the = tweeters, I had to rig up a mount (which I ended up making from an old = liscence plate), but that wasn't hard. My head unit is from Denon, which is a perfect match with the tan = leather interior, and the green lights from the dash at night time. My only question is, are there any speakers that fit in the rear without = any modification. The main reason why I want to get them, is to drop my = rockford amp running the MB quarts, to 2 ohms, to put out more watts = RMS. Does anyone have any info on the rear speakers? Lastly, I do have a custom box which holds a 10in Rockford that fits = flush with the rear seats. It also takes up little space. The only = reason I upgraded, was because I wantes a little more punch, and I = wanted the "looks" of the bandpass boxes. Other wise I was perfectly = fine with the setup I had. It really rocked considering I had 1 = Rockford series 1 2600 amp. pushing my entire system. I'm willing to = let go of the custom box for a Corrado with Rockford sub for $75. The = sub costs that much. I'm also considering to sell my Rockford Series 1 = 2600x amp, for $100. This amp costs over $200 new when I bought it. It = is a 60 watt amp, or 120 watt mono to power the sub only. If anyone has any questions or answers, please feel free to e-mail me. Thanks, -Paolo From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Oct 28 10:27 PST 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA28208; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:27:22 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from greta.teleport.com (greta.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IB68JWI2KW00AXK0@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23195; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:17:20 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) id KAA22978 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.southern.edu (ns.southern.edu [207.17.136.4]) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22927 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jkarolyi@localhost) by ns.southern.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA11762 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:17:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:17:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Karolyi Subject: 300 Watt Stereo installed-finally!!! Sender: owner-@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Jay Karolyi Message-Id: <199610281817.NAA11762@ns.southern.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Hello Corradophiles, After a few weekends of running wires, fishing through firewalls, and doing surgery in my dash, I finally have a kickin' stereo system!!! Best of all, I only have about $350 in the whole thing! My system in my '90 C consists of the following: Kenwood KDC-4003 25 watt x4 CD player/head unit $110 used Rear shelf speakers: Eclipse 4x6-best 4x6 I've heard! $79 new Door and Dash speakers: Stock C Nokia's-still sound good. $0 Subwoofer Amp: 100W x2 LA Sound amp w/low pass crossover. $100 new Subwoofer: isobaric dual speaker Bazooka tube $50 used (steal!) Wires: Monster battery cable/fuse, ground and speaker. $20 used Total: $359 While the bass is not loud enough to make me feel like a gangsta' booming down the street, it sounds better than some systems I've heard that cost three times as much. I basically gutted the stock Aktiv system and rewired most of the speakers. I mounted my amp on the back of the left rear back seat and strapped my Bazooka in the trunk also...sounded best back there. Anyone wanting more detail on how I installed my system can write me. Mucho thanks to all who helped me on the list. Now if I could only figure out why my C is hesitating on acceleration... Jay Karolyi '90 Pearl Green G60 '69 Blood Orange Porsche (no oil pressure!) From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Oct 28 18:07 PST 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05411; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:07:25 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from greta.teleport.com (greta.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IB6OMMVXM800BDRU@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA29807; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by greta.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:59:05 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) id RAA29776 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:59:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.southern.edu (ns.southern.edu [207.17.136.4]) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29765 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:58:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jkarolyi@localhost) by ns.southern.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA01301 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:59:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:59:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Karolyi Subject: Eclipse 4x6's sound great/no mods! Sender: owner-@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Jay Karolyi Message-Id: <199610290159.UAA01301@ns.southern.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Hello Corradophiles, Paolo asked me about the Eclipse 4x6 speakers I installed in the rear corners of my C, so I thought I'd share my find with everyone on the list. I bought the speakers from Freeman's Car Stereo in Charlotte, NC. I think it's a chain store, so there might be one near you. They come in a Euro-fit model that is PERFECT for the rear corner shelf speakers. They require no modification at all, just screw right into the speaker holder. With a little maneuvering, they even barely fit in the stock wells! They have an 85 watt capacity, rubber butyl surrounds, and cost $79.95 regular price (not on sale). I will post the model number of the speakers next time I'm in my trunk so you can order them. They really sound great and even produce decent bass! Jay Karolyi From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Thu Nov 14 17:27 PST 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03728; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:27:25 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IBUE8X7CFK00FIA2@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17718; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:12:48 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) id RAA17450 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:12:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from essex.UCHSC.edu (essex.UCHSC.EDU [140.226.1.11]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17365 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:11:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ochs@localhost) by essex.UCHSC.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA19253; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:12:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:12:09 -0700 (MST) From: Oliver Ochs Subject: Re: radio pin outs, dash discoveries, antenna (fwd) In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-@teleport.com To: Corrado List Reply-To: Oliver Ochs Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO I think pin 6 should be the radio light, and pin 4 should be the switched power (from the ignition) Oliver > pin #1 blue/white wire: ALM > pin #2 blank > pin #3 blank > pin #4 brown/red wire: S (not sure what this is but is indicated by a > label on the radio) > pin #5 black: antenna > pin #6 grey/blue: symbol looks like a lit LED > pin #7 red/white: positive > pin #8 brown: negative From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Thu Nov 14 15:58 PST 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA29966; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:57:59 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from kim.teleport.com (kim.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IBUB40RUOW00H4S9@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06923; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by kim.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:44:56 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) id PAA06866 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06854 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:44:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (slee@localhost) by copland.udel.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07780 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:44:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:44:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Samuel C.K. Lee" Subject: radio pin outs, dash discoveries, antenna (fwd) Sender: owner-@teleport.com To: corrado-l-digest Reply-To: "Samuel C.K. Lee" Reply-To: "Samuel C.K. Lee" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Morey, Correction to last reply, you should have a constant power lead to the radio... since your radio loses its memory when you turn it off regardless of the ignition setting, it sounds like your constant power lead is actually connected to the antenna remote lead. This lead supplies 12V when the unit is ON. I've included a reposting of the pin outs for the "premium" head unit. Sam ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 01:05:43 -0500 (EST) From: Samuel Chung-Ky Lee To: corrado-l-digest Subject: radio pin outs, dash discoveries, antenna A few bullitens back someone was asking for radio wiring information due to discovering a hatchet job. Here goes. The black connector carries power, grounds etc. and has a tab that is offcenter. From the connector side using the pin #'s indicated: pin #1 blue/white wire: ALM pin #2 blank pin #3 blank pin #4 brown/red wire: S (not sure what this is but is indicated by a label on the radio) pin #5 black: antenna pin #6 grey/blue: symbol looks like a lit LED pin #7 red/white: positive pin #8 brown: negative Brown connector. Key tab is centered. Pin #1 red/green: RR positive Pin #2 brown/black: RR negative Pin #3 red: RF positive Pin #4 white/brown: RF negative Pin #5 blue: LF positive Pin #6 brown/blue: LF negative Pin #7 blue/green: LR positive Pin #8 brown/red: LR negative From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Wed Nov 13 22:01 PST 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23314; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:01:18 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from kim.teleport.com (kim.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IBT9I8AHVK00EJ43@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16179; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by kim.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:51:53 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) id VAA16121 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from essex.UCHSC.edu (essex.UCHSC.EDU [140.226.1.11]) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16105 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ochs@localhost) by essex.UCHSC.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA13011; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:52:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:52:07 -0700 (MST) From: Oliver Ochs Subject: Re: New Corrado owner - radio question In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-@teleport.com To: Corrado List Reply-To: Oliver Ochs Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Nigel If you pull the radio (stock, I assume), there are two harnesses on the back. One is the speaker harness, the other is power and control wires. A space for a third harness is for the CD changer. On the power harness, there is a wire marked ALM. If you clip this wire, the clicking/buzzing will 'disappear' Oliver On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Nigel Sharples wrote: > > When listening to the radio (FM or AM) there is a clicking noise, > but related to the speed of the car, *not* the speed of the > engine. It seems related to what ever is driving the electronic > speedometer? Any ideas how I can eliminate this? > From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Thu Dec 26 21:27 PST 1996 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by fshpp1.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19096; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:27:03 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V5.0-7 #15834) id <01IDHAVDVZ0G00RSIW@UG.EDS.COM> for jan@UG.EDS.COM; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA18601; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:17:57 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) id VAA18588 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.southern.edu (ns.southern.edu [207.17.136.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18583 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jkarolyi@localhost) by ns.southern.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA22463 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 00:18:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 00:18:33 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Karolyi Subject: Wanna start Aktiv Stereo FAQ? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: Jay Karolyi Message-Id: <199612270518.AAA22463@ns.southern.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Hello Corradophiles, I have gotten MANY requests for information on installing aftermarket decks in Aktiv equipped VWs. Not only C's but Passats and GTI 16v's. Anyone want to create an Aktiv FAQ, maybe on the CCA homepage or another? I think a lot of people would benefit, and I would love to put it together. Any ideas? Here is a post I sent to the most recent request. The procedure needs some tweaking but it's a start: Hi Mattias, About the Aktiv, yes it's a curse. Except for speaker placement, which is one of the best I've seen. I assume yours has six speakers, two dash, two door, and two rear deck. Yes, the stock speakers will work fine with the Sony unit provided they are not blown. The speakers are the best part of the lackluster Aktiv. Here is my procedure for disabling the Aktiv system and installing an aftermarket stereo, count on a day to install it. It is worth the effort though. 1. No running new wires is necessary. There are four wires total that run to each door panel from the red plug in the back of the stock head unit. After removing the door panel and unplugging the Aktiv amp, find the four colored wires that match those in the red plug. Cut them at a length you can reattach if you want to hook up the Aktiv later. 2. At the new head unit, connect the four wires to the left (right) channel outputs. 3. Look at your rear deck speakers and find out the color of their wires. Find the same color wires in the door panel and cut them as above. Connect to the rear channel wires (in the door) from the new head unit. 4. Now you should have four wires left in the door. The two fat wires are power for the Activ. Leave them alone. The other two go to the dash speaker. Connect them to the front channel wires (in the door) from the new head unit. You are finished unless you want to use the door speakers, which is reccommended but involves some tedious work. 5. Remove the Aktiv amp/speaker unit. Unscrew the three screws that hold the unit together. Drill a hole in the back of the unit big enogh for a wire to fit through. There's a big place you can drill and miss the circuitry of the amp. Disconnect the internal speaker wire and connect your own wire to the speaker through the hole. 6. How you wire this third speaker in is up to you. I wired in series with the front speaker and it sounds great. Consult with others on the list to find your ideal setup. Now you'll have a real stereo instead of the lame Aktiv unit. It was a good concept that was poorly executed. My 1990 sales brocure says the system has 125 Watts. Impossible! Take a look at the "amp" inside the door speaker/amp unit and you'll see what I mean. Take the time to install a good stereo and you'll enjoy your VW more for it! Jay Karolyi