AVC College Astronomy Lab Telescope Projects

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Modifing Dob base to wedge
Dob AZ Base Assembly
Dob Box EL Support Assembly
The Mirror Cell Assembly
The Telescope Tube Assembly
Final Assembly of the Telescope Parts
2006 Dob Equatorial Class

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The Antelope Valley College Math and Science Department Astronomy 101 Lab classes are providing a classic Astronomy introduction to the Universe as seen from Earth and allowing hands on participation with telescopes for the students.
 
The students participate in viewing stellar objects in the sky using several telescope types, Newtonian, Cassegrainian Meade and Celestrons, and class built Dobsonians.
 
The students in the Lab can participate in a class project to design, fabrication, assemble, and use a Dobsonian telescope during the semester class.
 
The students can then view and take pictures of celestial objects with telescopes on AVC campus.
 
The Dobsonian telescope is made by the students using standard hand tools, some purchased parts, locally available parts, student fabricated parts, and utilizing locally available Amateur Telescope Maker guidance.

The AVC College Astronomy Mission

The AVC Math and Science Department is expanding telescope awareness to the students. Telescopes are needed by the Math and Science Department to help Astronomy class students to become interested in the Astronomy of the Universe.
 
Students can become familiar with telescope fabrication and viewing of deep space celestial objects from Earth.
 
The Math and Science Department will accept donations of telescope parts for use in the Astronomy Lab Class activites.
 
AVC Astronomy Class (3 units)
 
Survey of solar system and stellar astronomy.
Topics include ancient astronomy, star
charts, survey of each planet in our solar
system, features of our Sun, measuring
physical properties of stars, stellar evolution,
galaxies, and structure and origin
of the universe. This course approved
for online instruction. Refer to current
schedule of classes for availability.
 
AVC Astronomy Lab Class (1 unit)
 
Laboratory applications of principles
discussed in ASTR 101. Classroom projects
illustrate laws of optics as related to
telescopes, the construction and use of
starcharts, processes that have sculptured
landforms on other planets, and how
star light is analyzed to deduce physical
properties of stars and galaxies.

Joining in on the Fun

Sign up now for your AVC College Astronomy Class and Lab. Each semester the lab class will conduct awareness into the fabrication of telescopes. You too can take this knowledge home to build your own telescope.
 
The web viewer can use the navigation bar at the upper left of this page to see how a Dobsonian telescope is created, assembled, aligned, and tested.
 
Pictures taken through the AVC Dobsonian telescopes will be available for viewing on this web site.

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Organization News

Some day we hope AVC can host amateur telescope viewing through their many Dobsonians, Meades, and classic telescopes.
 
It would be nice if AVC could set aside one night a semester to set up all available telsecopes for viewing by students.  Help in manning the telescopes can be found with the local Astronomy Amateurs in the area.
 
Also, it is hoped that AVC will build a Roll-off-Roof Observatory some where on campus.  The Observatory should be located where the minimum light pollution will give the best viewing from campus.

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Figure 1: Fall Class 2005 6"f5 Dobsonian Telescope

FAll Semester 2005 Project

 

The fall semester 2005 Astronomy 101 Lab Class was the first class to fabricate parts and assemble a fully working 6”F5 Dobsonian (Dob) telescope from a parts kit.  Each student was required to hand grind on a standard 8” pyrex mirror blank that will be completed several semesters later. 

 

The 6”f5 Dobsonian AZ-EL kit was supplied by amateur telescope builders in the area.  The 6”f5 mirror and diagonal were purchased already finished.  The AVC has no facilities to actually fabricate a mirror to completion.  The Dobsonian kit included all wood parts for the Azimuth rotation base, the Elevation support box, the telescope fiberglassed cardboard tube, spider, mirror cell wood, and miscellaneous bolts and screws and pvc pipe. The primary mirror and the diagonal secondary mirror, and focuser were purchased already finished.  

 

A handout provides some guidance to assembly and preparation of all the parts.  It is up to the students to find more information about Dobsonian telescopes and to perform any modifications they feel necessary to help the scope.

 

For experience the class members are required to practice grinding on a standard 8" mirror blank.

 

A pyrex  8” mirror blank is being hand ground in class on a glass tool of the same size using various grinding grits. Rough hogging out of the 8” mirror to make a concave curved surface requires 20 to 30 hours. The first grit used in hogging the 8” mirror toward a concave spherical surface is 80 grit. If and when the 8” mirror is ground concave enough to give a 50” focal length then fine grinding can begin. 

 

(Note: the focal length, FL., of a telescope mirror is ½ of the concave radius of curvature, Rc, of the concave surface)

 

Fine grinding will require grinding using the following grit sizes: 120 grit, 220 grit, 320 grit, 400 grit, 500 grit, 600 grit, and finally a very fine grit like 800 grit. Grinding takes about 2 hours per fine grit.

 

When the 8” mirror is successfully ground through the fine grits it will be time to make a pitch lap so that the mirror can be polished smooth. 

 

Polishing the concave surface of the 8” mirror requires hours of pushing and pulling until the mirror glass surface has a smooth glassy finish.  Polishing will take about 1 hour per square inch of mirror surface ( pi * r * r = 3.14 * 4 * 4 = 50.2 square inches).  Polishing can take another 50 hours.

 

Once the 8” mirror is ground and polished it will be time to “figure” the concave surface of the mirror into a smooth mathematical concave curve. The mirror surface is “figured” by further polishing on the same pitch lap. The mirror must be polished to a spherical concave surface before continuing to "figure" the mirror.  Once the spheroid surface is smooth, the next step is to give the mirror a parabolic concave surface.  The parabola has only one focus point when light from very far stellar objects is focused.  A sphere will not focus far away objects to one focus but rather to many foci.  Figuring the mirror may take about 5 hours.  A Foucault or Ronchi tester has to be made in order to measure the concave surface figure.

 

The fall class did not fabricate the first mirror, which is a 6” F5.  The 6” F5 has a focal length of 30 inches ( 6” * 5).   This type of mirror is considered a wide field of view or rich-field telescope. This is because the focal length is short.  The shorter focal length has a wider field of view at the focus point. The F ratio of a mirror is the ‘focal-length, FL., divided by the mirror-diameter, D.: calculating 30” focus /  6” mirror, this is an F5.

 

The class performed some fabrication on all of the Dobsonian telescope kit parts.  These parts were the wood mirror mount and cell, the fiberglass 8” cardboard tube, the Dobsonian base AZ rotator wood plates, and the Dobsonian EL elevation wood box, and rotator pvc cups.  Other parts needed to work on the telescope are flat black spray paint, Teflon slide pieces, fiberglass epoxy, pvc plastic pieces, drywall screws, bolts and nuts. The eyepiece rack and pinion holder, the single vane spider with secondary mirror holder were pre-fabricated for the kit.

 

The inside of the telescope tube and all non optical components have to be painted flat black to minimize reflections from stray light.  The mirror and the diagonal mirror are the only parts in the telescope that reflect the star light up the tube into the focuser where eyepieces are used to magnify the stellar images.

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Figure 2: Layout of a Newtonian Telescopes internal Parts

Figure 2 is a layout of a Newtonian telescope optical system.  Note that primary mirror is installed at one end of the tube. The secondary reflector mirror held by the spider is installed near the opposite end of the tube. The stellar light is then reflected up through a hole in the tube wall to the focuser which holdes the eyepieces.

 

The Dobsonian telescope is a Newtonian telescope with a simple AZ-EL mount.

 

The class students were free to come up with modifications to the Dobsonian.  Modifications were performed on the Dobsonian design to allow the AZ and the EL rotator circles to rotate more smoothly. The class chose the painting scheme for the tube and Dob box assembly.

 

Upon testing the purchased 6”f5 mirror it was found that the mirror is a spherical concave surface and not the required parabolic telescope surface needed for good quality stellar images.  A future class may actually refigure the 6” mirror to its correct parabolic conic curve.

 

To keep the dust out of the front end of the telescope place a shower cap over the tube and focuser opening.  The mirror cell back plate keeps dust from entering from the bottom of the tube.

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Figure 3: Painting on the Dobsonian Telescope

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Figure 4: Looking down the Dobsonian Telescope Front

The Dob does not have a finder or pointer device to help the viewer point the telescope at stellar objects.  The viewer must kneel down behind the scope tube and point the whole Dob in the general direction of the stellar object.  Then the viewer looks though the eyepiece and scans to and fro, and up and down, until one finds the object.  One quickly learns that a finder scope would be very helpful in locating stellar objects in the dark sky.

 

The Dobsonian Azimuth-Elevation rotation methods can be difficult for a beginner to learn.  The viewer has to learn to pull the telescope around the Azimuth direction while moving the tube up and down in Elevation to keep the stellar object centered in the eyepiece.

 

Telescopes use eyepieces like a microscope to magnify the image.  Eyepieces are lenses that will magnify the image created by the telescope optics.  Eyepieces range in price and in quality.  The cheaper $25 eyepieces are not designed to correct for telescope aberrations that arise from the poor quality of the telescope mirror.  Unfortunately the best eyepieces with the best correction range in price from $300 to $600 in today dollars.

 

After you have used a Dobsonian AZ-EL telescope you begin to appreciate the problems with the design. The Dob is quick to make and easy to assemble, but has many inherent viewing problems.

Spring 2006 Project Update
 
The spring Astronomy 101 Lab class will be fabricating and assembling the parts of a 6"f8 Dobsonain Equatorial Telescope.
 
Watch for the updates as the semester progresses to see how the telescope parts are designed, fabricated, and assemble to the final test.

                                                               REMEMBER!

TELESCOPE MIRRORS and LENSES ARE POWERFUL CONCENTRATORS OF LIGHT.

Sunlight reflected off the face of a telescope mirror can cause BLINDNESS

or START A FIRE!

Always handle your mirror indoors or in the shade!

The telescope described in these plans is for

NIGHT USE ONLY. NEVER set up your telescope in a

location where it can reflect sunlight, and, NEVER

NEVER EVER EVER !!! point your scope at the

sun and try to view.

Never look or point any optics at the SUN.

A general look at the cost of a Dobsonian Telescope:
 
1.  A pre-finished 6" telescope mirror costs about $100,
                                                                      an 8" about $200,
                                                              and a 10" about $350.
Note: One can buy and grind your own glass mirror from a kit. The cost of the kit is about half the finished price. If you are building your first telescope it is best to buy a finished mirror.
 
2. The secondary mirror will cost about $50.
3. A sheet of 2'x4' good grade plywood costs about $20.
4. The telescope tube cost is about $10, fiberglassing another $25 for glass matt and resin.
5. Other miscellaneous bolts, paint, varnish, pvc pipe, handles, drywall screws, springs will runs about $25.
6. A rack and pinnion eyepiece focuser costs is about $30.
7. Eyepieces for an F8 or longer focal length scope cost sabout $25,  but if you use a rich-field with F4 or shorter focal length you will need to purchase $300 eyepieces to get the best images.
 
This basic cost is about  $325 for your home made telescope.

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Disclaimer
 
This web site is in no way associated with AVC, AVC College, AVC clubs, or any other orgainization.  This is a private web site set up for the pleasure of the college students who participate in the telescope making process. They may use any or all of this site information for telescope making.
 
The author Joe Perry Jr. has no affiliation with any AV clubs, college, or groups. Mr. Joe Perry Jr. is an amateur astronomer and telescope maker helping others.

Contact the AVC Math and Science Department or the Astronomy or Physics Teachers.
 
AVC Math and Science Department is at 661-722-6415