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You too can create a Dobsonian type telescope from basic wood and glass and screws.
 
The basic Dobsonian (Dob for short) parts list goes like this:
 
1. A finished mirror of most any diameter 6" to 20", a short focal length is easiest to assemble.
2. Two round wood base Azimuth circles large enough to hold the telescope upright Dob box and tube assembly.
3. Telescope tube of cardboard or fiberglass, eyepiece focuser, secondary mirror, and spider support parts
4. Plywood to cut into the various parts of the telescope, wood box, wood sides, mirror cell, tube back plate
5. Miscellaneous screws, handles, PVC pipe, bolts, nuts, and washers.
6. Focuser with eyepieces to magnify the telescope stellar images
7. Paint and Varnish to seal the wood from moisture warp

Start the steps in fabricating, assembling, and testing the Dobsonian Telescope

The simplest Azimuth (AZ) rotation system for the Dobsonian (Dob) telescope is just two wood disks and a smooth spacer between them.  The round wood circles need to be large enough to handle the telescope size you are building.  There are several ideas for the spacer that goes between the two circles and allows the telescope to rotate in Azimuth in a smooth motion.

Creating the Dob Azimuth base and box support wood circles

  • Precut wood circles:  For the 6"f5 telescope with and 8" tube go to the hardware store and get one 24" base wood circle and one 18” diameter precut wood circle. These will form the telescope mount base and the box support base.  Pictured below are the two circles. The base is a 24” OD varnished wood circle. The top circle is an 18” OD varnished wood circle.

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Figure 1: The Dob base azimuth wood circles

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Figure 2: Wood base that warped due to water contact

Circles are used to allow the telescope to rotate in the horizontal plane (azimuth). The upper circle of 18” rotates on top of the lower circle of 24”. The upper 18” circle will hold the Dob plywood box support for the telescope tube assembly.

 

The wood circles are precut and purchased at a hardware store. These circles are about 1.25” thick.  They are made of laminated wood strips. 

The circles need to be varnished so that they don’t get wet and warp. If they get wet they can warp badly, see figure 2.  Warped circles will not rotate smothly.

 

Preparing the wood circles:

 

Starting with the 18” smaller wood circle, mark the center of the circle.  Center the 18" circle on the 24" circle and  drill a ½” hole vertically through the center of the circles. The 1/2" center rotation bolt will pass through both Dob wood base circles.

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Figure3: Mark the center of the base circles and drill a hole through both

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Figure 4: Drill a larger hole to counter sink the bolt head

Choose one side of the 24" base wood circle as the bottom.  The bottom will sit on the ground when the telescope is in use. The head of the 1/2" bolt will need to be counter sunk into the bottom of the 24” wood circle. Use the side of the wood that will be the bottom and drill a larger hole around the ½” bolt hole so the bolt head will counter sink flush with the surface of the wood.

Choose one side of the 18" wood circle to be the top. If the wood circle is warped use the convex side as the top or buy another circle. Go read the page on the fabrication and cutting of the plywood to make the Dob box support.  Then, mark the top of the 18” circle for the Dob plywood box tube support pieces.  You can pre-drill screw holes between the marked lines. The screws used to assemble this Dob will be simple drywall screws of about 2" long.

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Figure 5: Mark the top AZ circle where the Dob box tube support plywood will attach

The Spacer Material for the AZ rotation

 

Now you are ready to consider a material to use for the spacer between the 18” and the 24” circles. Several materials will be tried.

 

If you turn the two wood circles against each other you will see there is quite a bit of resistance or friction. It is difficult to rorate the Dob box support in the horizontal Azimuth direction. You need a spacer that has smooth surface properties to allow smooth rotation. 

 

Place the ½” bolt through the 24” circle, though a spacer material, the through the 18” wood circle. Don’t tighten the ½” bolt too tight.  In fact you should make the ½” bolt long enough so you can put a washer, a short spring, another washer, and then the final nut on the bolt. Tighten the spring tension of the bolt so it holds the circles together firmly but not tightly.

 

Below is a picture of the installed bolt with washer, spring, and nut.

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Figure 6: The center bolt for AZ rotation of the Dob box and tube

First Spacer Material Test
 
One of the materials you can use as a smooth spacer is a large 33 rpm record. Drill a hole through the center of the record and place between the wood circles.  Try the rotation for smoothness.  If you think the rotation in AZ is still not smooth then try another material.  The record did not work because it is too small in diameter. The spacer needs to cover the whole 18" wood surface.

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Figure 7: 33 rpm old plastic record as an AZ spacer. This material did not work.

Try a spacer of clear plastic

 

The next spacer to try is a plain piece of smooth clear plastic. Purchase a piece at the hardware store and cut and 18" circle. Drill the 1/2" hole in the center and assemble the AZ rotation circles. Try the rotation again of the upper cirlce on the base circle of wood.  Again we did not think this was very smooth. We need an even smoother surface.
 
Now try a piece of teflon plastic
 
The next thing to try is a large FOR_RENT sign made out of Teflon or PVC plastic.  The surface on each side is very smooth.  Cut the sign into an 18” circle and place it between the circles. Tighten the nut and spring just hand tight.  Rotate the 18" wood disk and see if you think the spacer allows the wood circles to rotate in AZ smoothly.  This material seemed to work the best so far.
 
A last spacer material to try!
 
Oky, you have tried several materials so the last spacer material easily available at your hardware store is a thin sheet of aluminum.  Purchase a smooth thin sheet of aluminum and cut an 18" circle. Assemble the AZ base and upper circle and try the rotation test. What do you think? Here is a picture of  a Dob that uses a metal sheet spacer.  When you look at this picture notice that the Dob bases are square and do not need to be round, but round is nice. Also notice that the metal sheet is on the Dob box support side and that the base wood has some plastic teflon spacers, 3 to be exact at 120 degrees around the base.  The Dob box metal spacer rides on these 3 spacers to minimize the contact area between the wood plates. We will discuss using teflon pads later in this paper.
 
 Maybe you can come up with some other materials from you local hardware store to try.

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Figure 8: Plastic For-Sale Sign material as spacer

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Figure 9: Dob base metal spacer test

The FOR_RENT sign worked well, but it still depended on the wood circles not being warped.  After the wood circles were painted they started to absorb the paint and this may have caused both of the wood circles to warp.  Now the circles did not make flat contact with the FOR_RENT spacer and rotation was impaired.

 

The flat area of the 18” circle and the spacer material touching each other still caused a lot of friction.  A modification is needed to decrease the 18” circle contact with the spacer material.

 

Install 3 pads on the bottom of the 18" circle so that the contact with the spacer material is only at these 3 pads.  This will reduce the contact area and the friction.
 
Obtain 3 Teflon chair floor sliders from the hardware store. The pad sliders seen in figure 10 come in various diameter sizes.  The larger size would work better.  Nail the sliders to the bottom of the 18” wood circle. Place them about 1” in from the outer edge and use only 3 sliders, one each 120 degrees apart.  Here is a picture marking the base every 120 degrees. In the picture shows the 3 small plastic chair sliders nailed down to the 18" circle bottom.

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Figure 10: Marking where tto place the 3 chiar slider buttons at 120 degree angles

The chair sliders helped to lesson the contact area between the 18” and the spacer material.  But smooth rotation in AZ was still not obtained.  Another modification is still need to fix this problem. Remove the 3 chair sliders and try the method below.

 

Install 3 wheels to roll on!

 

Purchase 3 metal sliding door wheels (bearing in the center type) of the 1.5” to  2” diameter size. Do not purchase the plastic wheels, as they will deteriorate over time.  Roller wheels can be found in the hardware store in the sliding door department. 

 

Also purchase 3 bolts about 3” long and ¼” diameter.  These bolts will slide through the center hub of the metal wheels to allow the wheels to roll.  The wheels will be installed in the 18" wood base so they roll around the FOR-SALE plastic.

 

Here is how to install them.  Mark the bottom side of the 18” wood circle using a compass to determining 120 degree angles. Make 3 lines from the center to the edge that are 120 degrees in angle from each other.  See figure 10 above.

 

Now lay a wheel flat on the 18" wood circle so that the wheel center hole is about 1” from the perimeter edge of the 18” circle. See figure 11 below.  Using a pencil mark around the outer diameter of the roller wheel.  Lift up the roller wheel and hold it vertically centered on the circle you just drew.  Now mark the left and right sides of the wheel width. Draw parallel lines.

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Figure 11: Mark where the wheel roller slot will be cut at the edge of the wood base circle

Obtain a ½” wood drill and drill out the wood rectangle slot where you marked the width and length of the roller wheel.  You will be inserting the roller wheel into this slot vertically.  To clean up the slot use a jig saw or wood file and square up the wood edges. Cut all the way through the 18” circle wood. 
 
The metal roller wheel must fit into this slot all the way through the 18” wood and stick out the bottom about ¼” or more.  Repeat this for the other two roller wheel slots 120 degrees apart.

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Figure 12: Cut the slot to insert the roller wheel vertically

This next part is a bit tricky. Using your drill with a ¼” bit, drill a hole in the outer edge (perimeter) of the 18” wood circle in line with the center of the slot you just cut into the wood.  See figure 12. You will be inserting the 3” by ¼” bolt into this hole, passing it through the center of the metal wheel hub, and then another 2” into the wood. So drill the ¼” hole at least 3” deep. Make the bolt head of the ¼” bolt flush with the perimeter of the 18” circle.

 

Once all three wheels are slotted and installed you can put some glue on the end of the 3” bolt and push the bolt all theway into position.  The glue will keep the bolt from falling out. 

 

Remove the 3 slider pad pieces if they are still nailed to the base. These are not required now, the rollers will hold the circles apart. You want the rollers to roll on the plastic FOR-RENT sign for smooth operation.

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Figure 13: Add 3 standoff feet so the base will sit level on the ground

Final Dob base and Dob box support work

 

Be sure to paint all of the wood before you assembly the parts for the final time.

 

The Dob base that sits on the ground needs a bit more work. Cut from the plywood 3 large wood pads about 6"x3"x3".  Paint them and then screw them to the base wood circle. When the telescope is placed on the ground these 3 pads will help stablize the platform.

 

Another nice modification!

 

Let us modify the 18” wood circle once more.  The ½” bolt going though the center of both wood circles is just too small.  The bolt wobbles around and does not make a firm center point for rotation of the two circles.  Here is a solution that worked.

 

Purchase from the hardware store a PVC plastic pipe end cap.  The PVC end cap should be about 2” in outer diameter.  The PVC end cap has a solid closed end cap. Drill a ½” hole through the center of  the end cap.  Place the end cap over the center of the 18” wood circle.  Draw a line around the outer perimeter using a pencil. Drill a ½” hole just inside the pencil circle, and then using a jig saw cutter cut the circle out all the way through the wood. You want to cut the hole large enough for the PVC end cap to press through the 18” wood circle all the way.  Once the hole is cut, push the PVC end cap from the top of the 18” wood circle through the hole. Insert the ½” bolt through the base circle then through the PVC cap hole and replace the washer and spring and nut. 

 

You now have a larger rotation center hole. This will help the 18” circle to rotate smoothly over all azimuth angles.

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Figure 14: Pvc pipe end cap used as larger AZ rotator

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Figure 15: PVC cap installed into the Dob 18" base

If you have trouble finding the North Celestial Pole when you go out at night to do some Astronomy viewing, you can glue a Boyscout compass to the Dobsonian base.  The compass points in the general direction of Magnetic North Pole. To find the North Celestial Pole you have to know the magnetic variation of the site you are at. Here in Lancaster the magnetic variation is -14 degrees easterly. So, look at the compass and then rotate your viewing LEFT or West ward 14 degrees and look up about 35 degrees and you will find the north pole star.
 
GOOD VIEWING.

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FIgure 16: Add a compass to the telescope base circle to help you find the North Magnetic Pole

This section has covered the two Dob base rotator AZ wood assemblies.
 
The other web pages will cover the assembly of the Dob wood mirror cell parts, the Dob tube and its parts, the spider and secondary mirror and the focuser. 
 
The final assembly is to attach the round PVC plastic pipe pieces to the telescope tube so it can move in Elevation (EL) on the Dob support box.
 
The final picture in this section is the Dob circle bases with the Dob tube box support plywood assembled.

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FIgure 17: The Dobsonian wood base AZ rotators assembled with the Dob telescope tube support box

If you have any question about Dobsonian you can find many links by going to GOOGLE and enter key words about Dobsonian, Dob, Telescopes, Amateur Astronomy.
 
You may contact me for help on any telescope type or part.
 
 
I live in California City, CA., 93505, way out in the clear night sky desert of southern california

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