Congratulations to the Packers and CW Renegades, winners of the
Mason-Dixon 9-man Challenge
Hagerstown MD
Congratulations to our Spring OC09 Champions!
Packers (9-man A)
Lynch Mob (9-man B)
Carnage (7-man)
D4 (4-man)
Congratulations also to our Baltimore 09 Champions!
Baltimore Packers (9-man)
D4 (4-man)
Monday, November 23, 2009
The day after Hagerstown...
I'm exhausted, so I'm not going to go too crazy with this. So just a couple observations....
- Eighteen teams in Hagerstown was amazing. It was also really cool to stand in one spot and watch three games
at once.
- Of the 18 teams, only 3 did not register a win (Giants, Breakaway, Nightmare).
- In 18 games on Saturday, only 4 were shutouts. In 16 games on Sunday, I only know of 1. Teams are getting
more competitive with each other, and are scoring points. That's a great thing.
- We had fewer issues with formations than in the past. That means the captains are doing their jobs, and the "Rules
Cheat Sheet" worked.
- I wish I could take Sprucey and his grill with me on the road. Where else can you get a 1/4 chicken for $3?
- I saw more respect between teams this weekend than ever. Guys helped each other up, gave credit for great plays,
and kept their emotions from boiling over.
My next tournament is in Ocean City on April 24-25, 2010, but you should check out Chris Severino's tournament in Connecticutt
on December 5-6. His information will be on my front page this week.
Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving, and I'll see you soon.
If you look to your left, there is a new tab available. Listed as "Supporting the Teams", it is a starting point
for teams that want to do more but can't afford to spend more money out of their pocket. As tough as the economy has
been lately, it is necessary for teams to raise money in order to play more places. Not only is there some basic advice,
there are also some fundraising ideas posted, including one from Impact Sports, the NIKE team dealer. We all tend to
dress in our team colors, and Impact Sports has a way to either order NIKE gear with your team logos on it for cheaper or
raise money by selling your team NIKE gear at a major discount compared to stores. Check out the page, and if you have
any other ideas, send them along so I can pass them to our teams. We are all in this together, and I want to see you,
my friends, more often.
They asked for it...8-man Eligible is invited to Ocean City!
8-man Eligible has been asking for an Ocean City tournament of their own for years, and it's finally within my means
to create one. Coming October 3-4th, 2009, this tournament will host 8-man Eligible, 7-man screen, 4-man and 5-man.
The 8-man Eligible and 7-man Screen styles will be pool play with single elimination on Sunday. The 4-man and 5-man
styles will be pool play as well, but one style will play on Saturday and the other will play on Sunday (TBD). If we
have enough participation, we will offer Pro and Competitive brackets in all 4 styles of play.
We have also set up the Holiday Inn Express as our host hotel for this tournament. It is literally right in front
of the fields, and you can see the fields from the second floor. Everything in OC is close, including the options for
host bars, restaurants, and more.
I know there are alot of questions, so I'll do my best to answer them here first....
Q: Why are you doing a tournament in October?
A: First of all, I am trying to avoid head-to-head competition with any tournaments that are established on the
schedule. Most leagues give byes to teams that want to travel (as long as they request it early enough), and the only
other tournament in October is in Chicago, and with this much advance notice, I'd hope teams that want to go to Chi-Town will
be prepared to do both.
There's another reason. The weather is still nice (average 66 high, 49 low), but Ocean City changes to winter rates
for their hotels on October 1st. The same rooms at the Holiday Inn Express that we are booking for $90/$105/$120 for
October 2nd and 3rd are available for $175/$190/$225 the week before. I want to save you money, and make it more affordable
for more people to come to OC.
Q: Why are you doing pool play?
A: Pool play has proven to encourage more teams to participate, which grows the sport. It also allows the
second tier teams to test themselves against the top teams, without worrying about an early elimination.
Pool play also creates a schedule that allows players to plan their Saturday around their games, since they will know
when they play and when they're finished. Flag football is intense recreation, but it's still a weekend vacation.
If you're stuck at the fields all day, you can't enjoy what OC has to offer.
Pool play also gives me leeway to avoid having teams from the same league play each other on Saturday, allowing the schedule
to create a matchup against a team you don't see weekly.
Q: You're a 9-man guy. What do you know about 8-man Eligible?
A: I know that 8-man Eligible is begging for a highly organized tournament, a new location and different competition.
This I can supply. For rules questions, I will be leaning on my officials, led by Mark Robinson, who are experienced
in 8-man competition. They know the rules.
Q: Are there different rules for this tournament?
A: We are using the USFTL rules with a few exceptions. There will be a strict mercy rule throughout the tournament
(30 points at any point in 4th quarter, 17 at the 2 minute warning). There will be no Overtime during pool play.
There will also be no tolerance for fighting during the games. An ejection from the game will lead to either a
suspension from the next game or for the rest of the tournament. If there is a larger issue, an entire team can be forfeited
out of the tournament. The Tournament Director (ME) will have the final say on all issues of that nature.
Q: How strict are the deadlines?
A: Very. I will not accept a team who has not paid by September 26. By having your fees in early, everyone
knows who has paid and is participating, and allows the schedule to be released the day after the deadline. Payment
can be made in cash, money order or through PayPal. (PayPal fees will be added to your total.)
Q: Which organizations are you working with?
A: This is an independent tournament. While I would love for there to be points given for this tournament,
I believe that the teams should have the right to use their prizes for whatever purposes they decide. Therefore, I will
not be supplying a bid to either the USFTL or the MCFFU. And even though I have the blessing of both George Coleman
and Craig Mimms, I've decided to run this tournament independently of both, to avoid showing favoritism to either. Both
have said that teams that request a bye in their league schedule will be accomodated in order to participate in the tourney.
So ask for your byes EARLY!
Q: What will the prizes be?
A: It depends on the number of teams. With 10 teams, the Pro winner will receive $1000. With 14 teams,
there are prizes for 2nd and 3rd. With fewer teams, the total prizes drop, and with more, the total prizes go up.
There are no cash prizes for the Competitive winners.
Q: Why no cash for the Competitive bracket?
A: One of the problems with flag football are the teams that stay at the competitive level instead of challenging
themselves and moving up. I believe greed is a great motivating factor, and that playing in the lower level should not
be rewarded monetarily. In short, Pro plays for money, and Competitive plays for a trophy.
I'm sure there will be more questions, and I will be here to answer them. I look forward to another great tournament
in Ocean City, and I hope to see you there.
I want to thank everyone who made this tournament work so well. George Hall and Mark Robinson took care of
the 4-man and 7-man tournaments, and their officials were solid. The 9-man officials did great work throughout the weekend.
I'd mention all their names, but I don't think they want to be known. The teams and captains came ready to play and
were great to work with.
And most of all, I need to thank my wife, Beth, who most of you talked to or met this weekend. She was awesome
keeping me sane and being everywhere with me. I really appreciate her.
Here are my notes....
I keep hearing how the level of play was down. To be honest, I didn't see it. There is definitely a split between
the A and B teams, but the 7 teams in A were all competitive with each other, as were the 6 teams in B. Want proof?
You got it....
One of the teams the message boards picked to "walk to the finals", the Raiders, tied Ryde Out and lost to the Scorpions,
keeping them out of the final four.
The Scorpions eliminated the Raiders, and their losses were to ECSA and the Packers.
Ryde Out was 30 seconds from beating the MetroDawgs. A huge bomb knocked them out, but they played three truly physical
games and lost by 2, tied, and lost by 2 again.
The East Coast Speed Academy, down to 11 players for the Sunday elimination round, won their first three games in the
tournament and were down only 26-19 at half against the MetroDawgs before exhaustion and the MetroDawgs finished them off.
Lynch Mob, in their first tournament together and signed up for the B bracket, defeated Ryde Out on Saturday on 12-10,
and won the B bracket. But it wasn't easy. They won 6-0 over the Trojans, and 19-16 over the X-dawgs in what was
the second best game of the day (sorry guys, nothing was topping Ryde Out-MetroDawgs).
Previously to this tournament, the Packers were defending National Champions, and the Raiders were coming off a great showing
in the St. Patrick's Day tourney. The MetroDawgs were still the MetroDawgs, and then there was everyone else.
Now if the Packers, Raiders and MetroDawgs are "A" teams, then how can you trash Ryde Out, ECSA and the Scorpions when
they either defeated those teams or came damn close to it? I'm all for blowing up your own teams and tournaments, but
you're disrespecting these teams with some of the comments on the board, and they deserve better than that.
Other notes...
Ryde Out was down 12-10 to the Lynch Mob, and had a guy breaking away for the score to take the lead. As Ryde Out
was running down the field, a player came off the sideline to celebrate and was mashed by the official chasing the play.
Result: No touchdown, unsportsmanlike conduct and they don't score.
ECSA, if you had 5 more guys at your level in OC, you may have had a different outcome. But you guys had a great
run anyway.
Hey Bengals, you need to bring a full squad to these tournaments. But you know that.
Lynch Mob, now you know you're an A team. Get ready for it. And congrats on the win.
Speaking of Lynch Mob, you had guys on D4 and Carnage in the 4-man and 7-man tournaments. Combined results for those
teams: 3 championships and a 2nd place. Nice weekend.
Also about 7-man and 4-man: Before I throw another tournament for your styles, we will have a better mastery for
the rules, including flag length and types. I really appreciate your participation, and although I think those styles
went well, it wasn't perfect. Yet.
I like the QB for the Philly Trojans, but it seems like their whole team can play everywhere and noone plays anywhere.
Roles are good things.
Red Knights, we played better on Sunday, and we'll be back. We can't let the first game of the day wreck the 2nd.
The MetroDawgs now throw underneath. It's not all bombs and screens anymore, and that's huge.
Bad calls happen. Good teams overcome them.
We had four guys ejected for fighting, and all were thrown out of the tournament. Does that give you a hint of our
tolerance for that?
I have a curiosity. We had no issues with foul language on the 4-man and 7-man fields. However, we had complaints
about the language on the 9-man fields. We are intelligent, educated and bright men. Do we have to use that language
here? Or do we need to start penalizing for it, until we clean it up? It makes us look stupid, and discourages
our communities from supporting us. Not the way you want to grow this game.
I hate the X-dawg zone blitz defense.
The Harford Hurricanes should be playing in a league.
Mooney playing center and talking away as he handled his man proves he's a ballplayer.
Other than that, great tournament guys, and I hope to see you all in Baltimore the 2nd week of August.
Let's start by saying that I'm looking forward to 2009!
-I'm in the process of cleaning the website up, and the information request section for new teams has been successful
already. I should have everything caught up this week.
-Ocean City is happy to have us back, and the host hotels and bar are ready to go. The Holiday Inn Express, Comfort
Inn Gold Coast and Duffy's are already signed up, and you can get their information from the Ocean City page!
- We're adding 7-man, 4-man and 5-man to the tournament. Any teams playing in the 7-man or 9-man styles will get
$25 off their entry into the 4-man or 5-man tourney. Each is a one day tournament, with 4-man on Saturday and 5-man
on Sunday. For those that don't know these styles, they are smaller fields and shorter games, with 4 man being no-contact
and 5-man having contact.
- I'm all about social networking, so The Flag Football Challenge Series is now on Facebook, and I will probably be exploring
Twitter as well. I'm up for lots of friends, so join the TFFCS group, and you can friend me (Andy Hoffman) as well.
- Obviously, after the Ocean City monsoon last year, I have had to develop a weather policy. If the tournament
is not completed and your team has not played 3 games, a prorated refund of your basic entry fee will be given back to
you. If the tournament can not completed and your team has played more than 3 games, then the tournament prize
will be split between the remaining teams. I guarantee you three games, and if we don't conclude three games,
you will be receiving a refund. Understand, I prefer to finish every tournament, but there are times when the situation
is beyond my control.
Ocean City signups are underway, and I look forward to seeing everyone down there.
Welcome to new thoughts, ideas and plans for flag football!
We look forward to growing our game, without the petty
arguments of previous organizations. Our goal is to enable more teams, players and regions to participate, and
to bring national and corporate attention to Flag Football!
This site is designed for open conversations about flag football,
irregardless of organization.
Need somewhere to promote your league, team or tournament?
We are excited that you are visiting our web site. We are here to provide a forum for flag football's ineligible
style. Our focus is to bring more attention to the closest thing to pads, and to grow our game to its past heights.
I look forward to hearing from you, and I personally look forward to what 2007 can bring! Feel
free to email me with any questions or comments.