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Chat Log June 15, 2004: Pub Party
with Lara Zeises
HostMarleneP: Hello, everyone! Welcome to the YA Author's Cafe.
Thanks for coming! I am Marlene Perez, your host for tonight's
chat. Before I introduce our guest, I would like to remind you
of our format. I will be asking our guest a few questions. (since
Nancy asked so nicely)
HostMarleneP: Before the last question, I will invite the audience
to get ready to participate. If you would like to ask a question,
type ? and type out your question so it's ready to SEND when
I call on you. Please do not send it until I call on you. I will
type "GA" and your name when it is your turn. GA stands
for Go Ahead. Let's begin!
HostMarleneP: I'm thrilled to introduce Lara Zeises, author of
Contents Under Pressure. We're celebrating with a virtual Publication
Party, so now is the time for a few glasses of virtual champagne.
HostMarleneP: Congratulations, Lara! After reading Contents,
I really wanted to know what the trigger was for this book? Did
you see or overhear something? The dynamic between the sibs is
one of the things I loved
Lara Z.: Thanks!
Lara Z.: I was starting the MFA in creative writing program at
Emerson College, and had signed up to take a YA Novel Workshop
with Lisa Jahn-Clough
Lara Z.: So I thought I should read up on the genre before classes
started.
Lara Z.: I stumbled upon an article about how the industry needed
more books about teens going through normal teen things, instead
of big tragedies.
Lara Z.: At the time, my unofficial little sister (I'm an only
child - I've borrowed siblings all of my life!) was going on
fifteen, and I was thinking about what happened to her when she
was thirteen - how her groups of friends started to change.
Lara Z.: So I guess you could say she was the inspiration.
Lara Z.: (I should note that I read that article in 1998 - which
I guess is probably the last time the market was hungry for so-called
"normal" novels.
HostMarleneP: what about Tobin & Lucy? did you know what
would happen to them from the beginning?
Lara Z.: Actually, no. In the original draft, I had a vague idea
that there would be an older boy for Lucy. Then he just sort
of "popped up" at Homecoming. All of the scenes where
she runs into him (literally)? Not one was planned. They all
just sort of happened. GA
HostMarleneP: Can you talk about how you crafted Lucy's gradual
disappointment/disillusionment with her brother Jack?
Lara Z.: Sure! The seeds for that came from me remembering the
first time I disagreed with my parents' values. When I was very
young, I remember my dad saying something about not liking the
early Beatles. And then for years, I would repeat what he said
as if it were my own opinion.
Lara Z.: And then one day I realized I really *liked* "I
Wanna Hold Your Hand." Lightbulb! My parents weren't always
right.
Lara Z.: In the book, this translated as Lucy realizing that
Jack doesn't always have all of the answers - and that he's not
always going to be the perfect person she's believed him to be
up until this point.
Lara Z.: I think that's a big part of your early teens - learning
how to form your own opinions/values, and then deal with the
fallout from that.
Lara Z.: (Did I answer the question?)
HostMarleneP: Speaking of forming your own opinions & values,
I thought you handled the varying degrees of teen sexual experiences
very well in this book. Can you talk about that (and yes, you
did answer the question)
Lara Z.: Oh, whew. :)
HostMarleneP: (you knew I was gonna bring THAT up, right?)
Lara Z.: I had a feeling. :)
Lara Z.: I have really mixed feelings about teens and sexuality.
Lara Z.: Lately I've been feeling really angry at Britney Spears
- I'm scapegoating her for the sexualization of little girls
in our country.
Lara Z.: But there's this other side of me that also gets angry
that you so rarely see female protagonists in YA who enjoy sex.
Lara Z.: Melvin Burgess's latest novel, DOING IT, revels in male
teen sexuality, and it's getting tons of praise for that. But
if you had that book from the girl's point of view? I don't think
it would be received quite so well.
Lara Z.: It's been a long time since Judy Blume published FOREVER
- 30 years, right? And not a lot has changed in terms of YA lit.
E Lockhart: I agree about them not enjoying sex. It seems like
if they do have sex, they always regret it. And sending that
message over and over isn't promoting healthy sexuality, exactly.
Lara Z.: Exactly!
Lara Z.: So in CONTENTS, I have Tabitha, who's 14 and had her
first sexual experience - and isn't scarred by it.
Lara Z.: She thinks about what it means that she's had sex, but
she's not crushed. She wasn't taken advantage of.
Lara Z.: At the same time we have Lucy, who's not where Tabitha
is. She's not ready to be sexual, and yet she's dating a cute
older boy with more experience.
E Lockhart: Burgess did write Lady: My Life as a Bitch, which
is about a girl who turns into a dog and has quite a lot of dog
sex. (sorry, but that's the case). She enjoys it. But Forever
is still the only one I've read where the girl is ready and likes
it and is human.
Lara Z.: It's not that she doesn't feel sexual - she's just not
ready to be sexually active.
Lara Z.: And that's okay too.
E Lockhart: That's a great distinction -- between feeling sexual
and being ready to be active.
Lara Z.: Right. Because not every girl who is a virgin is a prude,
or acting on religious conviction or whatever. Lucy is lucky,
because she's surrounded by people who will talk openly and honestly
about sex.
HostMarleneP: Okay, this is my last question and then I'll open
it up for questions. Can you tell us what your next project is?
Everyone get your questions ready. Remember to type your name
and ?
Lara Z.: Sorry - didn't mean to ramble. :)
HostMarleneP: Oops. Lara, please continue if you're not finished.
Lara Z.: My third novel, ANYONE BUT YOU, will be out in the fall
of 2005. It's about a blue-haired skateboarder and her faux-brother,
who idolizes Rod Stewart, and what happens to their family one
very hot summer when the air conditioner breaks down.
Lara Z.: No, it's okay! I can talk about that stuff forever.
:)
HostMarleneP: Okay, I'm opening this up for questions. Thanks
for answering my questions Lara
Lara Z.: Thanks for asking them, Marlene!
Nancy Werlin: I appreciated your comments on sexuality, Lara.
Re Britney Spears, mustn't it also be true that she was "packaged"
sexually by others, at least at first?
Lara Z.: Oh, of course!
Lara Z.: She's a symptom, not the problem.
Lara Z.: But I know a four year old who bumps and grinds around
the living room, copying Britney, and it scares the hell out
of me!
Nancy Werlin: Makes me ill, too.
Lara Z.: What I hate isn't so much Britney as a person (in fact,
I have a lot of sympathy for her, because she's been used by
the machine).
Lara Z.: But I hate how she became famous - "Baby, Hit Me
One More Time" - and that Madonna kiss! Please! It's one
thing to enjoy kissing girls - it's another to enjoy it for the
sole purpose of turning guys on.
Nancy Werlin: Agree/
Lara Z.: Anyway, Nancy, my point is that yes, she was packaged
by a system that takes great pleasure in sexualizing little girls.
And that's really very scary to me, and I think that's why I
write for a predominantly female audience. GA
Melissa: Lara, as a fellow Delawarean, I love the connections
to Delaware that are in both BONES and CONTENTS. What kind of
reactions have you gotten from readers, both from Delaware and
beyond, to this sense of place in your books?
Lara Z.: Oh, MELISSA!
Melissa: yeah, I'm that Melissa. :-)
Lara Z.: Well, people who aren't from Delaware are always like,
"Why are your characters in *Delaware*?"
Lara Z.: But the ones who are love seeing the places they treasure,
like Battery Park and the Charcoal Pit, in a book.
Lara Z.: DE teens have responded really well, especially the
reluctant readers, to BONES.
Lara Z.: And for me, it's just a lot of fun to write about my
home.
Di: How do you know when your manuscript is finally finished?
Lara Z.: That's a great question, Di!
Lara Z.: I think it's different for every book. With the first
draft of ANYONE, my next book, I spent about 14 hours drinking
two 12-cup pots of coffee and banging out the last 40 pages.
I knew it was crap and that my editor and I would have our work
cut out for us, but I needed to get to the end to go back to
the beginning and make it good (if that makes sense).
Lara Z.: With BONES, I was just sort of typing the New Year's
Eve scene and finished it and was like, "Oh, wow. Am I done?"
That was my first novel, and I have to tell you, I got this weird
flutter in my chest after finishing that first draft.
Bethany: How much does popular culture influence your books?
Lara Z.: Bethany - A LOT. I am a total pop culture junkie. I
have a lot of pop references in each book, but to keep the book
from becoming "dated" I try to use timeless ones.
Jonathan: First, who were your favorite YA authors before you
became a published writer and which authors do you admire now?
And second, are you a plotter or a plunger?
Lara Z.: Fun questions!
Lara Z.: I didn't even know what YA had to offer until I was
22 and taking a YA lit class in grad school.
Lara Z.: The first book that EVER made me cry - and I have always
been a voracious reader - was Paul Zindel's THE PIGMAN.
Lara Z.: So I have to say I adore him. But I also loved Francesca
Lia Block, Rob Thomas, Ellen Wittlinger, Laurie Halse Anderson,
Nancy Werlin (and no, I'm not sucking up), and Blake Nelson (even
though GIRL was technically an adult novel).
Lara Z.: Now, my favorite author is Megan McCafferty. Seriously,
I worship at her feet. I also love Gordon Korman, MT Anderson
(my literary crush object), Alex Flinn, and oh - too many to
name.
Lara Z.: I think it's an exciting time in YA because there are
so many wonderful new authors.
Lara Z.: I loved Melissa's first book - RAISING THE GRIFFIN -
and of course I'm a huge fan of Laurie Faria Stolarz, Tea Benduhn,
and Kim Ablon Whitney.
Lara Z.: Oh - and I'm a plunger on the first draft and a plotter
on the second.
traces: hi lara!! laurie intro'd you once as "diva of teen-speak!"
where do you get your teen-speak???
Lara Z.: Oh, I forgot to mention Chris Lynch, Carolyn Mackler,
and Sarah Dessen.
Lara Z.: I think it's the way *I* speak. Really, I'm just an
overgrown teenager.
Lara Z.: I do listen in on conversations - I teach college freshmen
- and I watch a lot of teen TV. Oh, and I read teen magazines.
GA
Book Lizard: What's the best thing about being a YA author?
Lara Z.: Talking to teenagers. Hands down.
Lara Z.: I love going into schools, and getting e-mails from
readers.
Lara Z.: I think teens get really excited when they feel that
an adult looks at them as someone on their level.
Lara Z.: They feel like you "get" them. And that makes
me happy.
Lara Z.: Oh, and I love the supportive YA community. That I love
a lot. Very huggy kind of community.
sammy: Do you pretty much work on the novel the whole way through
by yourself or do you show it to people along the way?
Lara Z.: I show it to my critique group before even my editor
gets to see it.
Lara Z.: I mentioned them below - Laurie Faria Stolarz (my hero),
Tea Benduhn, Kim Ablon Whitney, and Steven Goldman, who hasn't
sold his first book yet but that's only because he hasn't finished
it - it's brilliant.
Lara Z.: They see 20-50 page chunks as I write them.
Lara Z.: Then I revise on their recommendation, and THEN my editor
gets it.
Bethany: How much of your personal life/family life is put into
your books?
Lara Z.: I steal bits and pieces.
Lara Z.: Critter, the male protagonist of my third novel, is
obsessed with Rod Stewart. I stole that from a guy I knew in
high school, this emo artist boy, who knew everything about Rod
Stewart. We could never figure out why.
Lara Z.: BONES was inspired, in part, but the death of my friend's
ex-boyfriend, who was killed in an accident very much like the
one in the book.
Lara Z.: Bridget shares some of my quirks - relating life to
TV, for starters - but she's mostly fictional, too.
DebbyG: How important do you think your MFA training was in writing
a publishable novel?
Lara Z.: That's a great question, Debby.
Lara Z.: I would say both VERY important and NOT IMPORTANT AT
ALL
Lara Z.: VERY important because that's how I "fell into"
YA - and Lisa Jahn-Clough, my mentor, was just a dream - so nurturing.
I also got to study under Myra McClarey, Andre Dubus III, and
Jessica Treadway - wonderful writers and teachers who really
shaped how I not only approach writing, but myself as a writer.
Lara Z.: EVEN MORE IMPORTANT because I found my critique group
in Lisa's classes.
Lara Z.: I love them and couldn't do what I do without them.
Lara Z.: But grad school left me with $70k in student loans.
Bethany: ouch
Nancy Werlin: (faints dead away.)
Lara Z.: I don't regret it - I needed to go to grad school, to
give myself permission to write - but yeah. It's like a mortgage.
HostMarleneP: (fans Nancy and grabs the smelling salts)
Melissa: eeeks.
Lara Z.: I don't think you need to have an MFA to be a successful
novelist.
DebbyG: wow... took a long time to pay off my husband's Emory
Law loans too!
Lara Z.: I think it helps in terms of you making contacts and
again - that giving yourself permission to write sort of thing.
Lara Z.: But lawyers end up with cushy incomes and health care
and paid vacation!
traces: how is it writing the new book from a guy's POV?
Lara Z.: It was HARD.
Nancy Werlin: (sneaking out....thanks, Lara, you're wonderful.)
Lara Z.: I really had to break out of my comfort zone and I second-guessed
myself every step of the way. Oh! I was going to say how much
I admire people like Nancy and Melissa and AM Jenkins (DAMAGE
is one of my faves) and Alex Flinn for writing such dead-on male
voices.
Lara Z.: But I definitely liked challenging myself. And I love
Critter as a character, so, you know - eventually the voice came.
MelissaW: Lara, I'm curious about your thoughts on the boundaries
of YA (given the age and situation of Bridget, the heroin of
BONES and your love of Megan McCafferty,) where you think the
boundaries are, how far you think they can or should be pushed,
stuff like that.
Lara Z.: My second-favorite topic!
Lara Z.: I should note I'm moderating a panel chat on Sept. 14th
on this very topic.
Lara Z.: But okay - I'm a huge fan of upper-level YA. It's maybe
my favorite subgenre. BONES would fall into that category, and
the book I'm about to start writing, JULIE, BY THE NUMBERS, caters
to that crowd too.
Lara Z.: I heard Marc Aronson speak back in 2000 about crossover
and how the publishing industry has always neglected the 18 to
21 year olds, and it was like, LIGHTBULB!
Lara Z.: When I was that age I was reading Douglas Coupland,
because at least it was sort of close to what I was going through.
I didn't want to be reading about mid-life crises when I was
just entering adulthood, you know?
Lara Z.: The most frustrating thing about the conventions of
YA, for me, anyway, is the language thing.
HostMarleneP: (we'll have time for one more question from Book
Lizard, in just a moment
Lara Z.: Teens can handle the f-word, but if you use it in a
book, say goodbye to sales!
Lara Z.: Anyway, my point is that I think the boundaries are
flexible - and getting even more so.
Book Lizard: Do you use a word processor to write or do you write
long-hand? How do you deal with writer's block? How many more
books do you think you'll need to publish to pay off those loans?
:-) Oops, 3 questions.
Lara Z.: I never ever write longhand. Well, that's not entirely
true. Sometimes I'll write a letter or diary entry for my characters
long hand. But I type like 85 WPM, so it makes more sense to
use my computer to write - so my hands can keep up with my brain.
Lara Z.: Writer's block: Toughie. Sometimes I just try to push
through - make myself write crap just so I keep writing. Other
times I'll go watch a movie or read a great book to inspire myself.
Bethany: 85 wpm??!! i could tell with your quick responses!
Lara Z.: As for my loans ... let's just say I see myself using
all 30 years to get rid of that debt. :)
Book Lizard: LOL
Lara Z.: Any other questions?
Lara Z.: Awww.
HostMarleneP: Hey, all, our official time is almost up--some
of us need to go-but the rest of you are welcome to stay and
chat as long as you like.
Lara Z.: Marlene - thanks for being such a great host!
HostMarleneP: Lara, I want to thank you so much for being here.
Truly inspirational. I can't believe how much we like the same
authors. Paul Zindel is one of my favs too.
MelissaW: (Must go but Lara, you rock, truly! Great chat!)
Bethany: thank you for sharing
Lara Z.: Bye, Melissa and Marlene - love you guys!
Lara Z.: And thanks too to all of you for taking time to stop
in tonight! I really appreciate it.
Lara Z.: I can stick around a while, if there are more questions!
HostMarleneP: Lara, where is your panel on Sept 14?
Lara Z.: Here! At the YA Authors Café!
DebbyG: Was it hard to get published the first time?
Lara Z.: Debby, I hate answering that question because I was
incredibly lucky.
Lara Z.: I just know other authors who write beautiful prose
who had a longer road to getting published - and who are now
BURYING me in sales. V. happy for them, though. :)
Bethany: do you write your books straight through or do you write
scenes and then piece them together?
Lara Z.: Andre, one of my teachers at Emerson, preached that
you have to start at page 1 and write straight through to the
end, no skipping, to keep the process organic.
Lara Z.: I used to think it was a bunch of pretentious hooey
but the summer after I took his class I realized how absolutely
brilliant he is.
Lara Z.: So yeah - that's how I write.
HostMarleneP: Lara, do you have a hard time during the writing
process judging your work? I always think the project I'm working
on is utter crud
Lara Z.: Marlene - YES.
Lara Z.: I am always terrified I'm writing the biggest piece
of crap ever.
Lara Z.: The third book - the one I'm wrapping up final edits
on - oh my.
Lara Z.: The first draft was total crap, and then I rewrote about
75% of it for the second draft.
Lara Z.: And I was TERRIFIED.
Lara Z.: But my editor loved it and in talking to her about it
I got more comfortable with the story I ended up writing.
Lara Z.: So now I'm tweaking and feeling better about the project.
sammy: Lara, you mentioned basing the accident in BONES on something
that happened to your friend. Did you ask her permission first?
(Asking because I have a similar situation.)
Lara Z.: Sammy - she's a very close friend and knew about the
project early on, but no, I didn't ask formal permission.
Lara Z.: There are other things I've written that I've run by
certain people.
Di: How do you know when your rewrites are just right?
Lara Z.: Di, in answer to your question - I never know.
Lara Z.: I could probably rewrite a novel 8,000 times and still
see stuff I'd like to change.
Melissa: Lara, I had a question. I love the characters you've
created--I was wondering if there's cases where you've had to
struggle to develop the character, or do they just spring fully
formed? And how do you work with a character that's not gelling?
Lara Z.: Seattle - the protagonist in my third novel - is a skateboarder.
In the first draft, she wasn't. But my editor pointed out that
she didn't have any interests, and I realized I didn't know her
well enough. When I discovered she was a skateboarder, it changed
about 700 things in the book. But now I can only see her as a
skateboarder - it's so much a part of who she is.
Lara Z.: As for "gelling" - I think it's more a question
of deepening. Making the character more full-bodied. Bethany
asked earlier if I start with plot or character.
Lara Z.: I start with character and the truth is, they "live"
in my head for about two years before I even start putting them
on paper. So I usually know them pretty well before I start writing.
DebbyG: Have you gotten any negative reviews, email, etc. about
the young girl enjoying sex?
Lara Z.: I had reviews that mentioned the graphic sex - one scene,
necessary to character - but no one trashed the book for it.
Lara Z.: Oh, and no negative e-mails (yet).
jaimeee: Can you tell us about some of the other characters in
the next book?
Lara Z.: OK, so ANYONE BUT YOU - aka Book #3
Lara Z.: Seattle is the blue-haired skateboarding girl. She's
tough but soft, if that makes sense. She lives with Layla, her
dad's ex-girflriend, and her two sons, Jesse and Critter.
HostMarleneP: (I forgot to say that the Cafe is on vacation the
next few weeks) Lara, I have to run, too. Early morning phone
call with my editor. I'd love to see one of your books on the
silver screen. Good night everyone! Lara, FABULOUS chat. Thanks
so much!
Lara Z.: Thanks guys, for a great night!
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