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Part 1 Introduction

Jay Hanson is a man with an idea. That idea has to do with the fundamental nature of energy and the perception of the reality of energy to every manifestation of life and every activity on earth, including the human activity of gaining knowledge and the maintenance of culture and society.

As the founder of the www.dieoff.com, Jay collected an extensive compendium of articles dealing with energy, environment, population, thermodynamics, sustainability, culture and debates about human nature. It was a heroic effort to ground modern knowledge in reality, and to my knowledge no other contemporary individual has shown a comparable understanding of the extent to which modern knowledge is burdened by its own methodology of abstract theorizing. The dieoff.com website makes an enormous step away from abstraction to the real world. It is no exaggeration to suggest that the appearance of this website is an event of historical importance concerning the real-world dimensions of human thinking. In this essay, which is intended to be both a critical and an appreciative look at Jay’s work, this point will comprise a central theme.

About two years ago, Jay Hanson got out of the website maintenance business and handed the site over to Tom Robertson, the Moderator of the Energy Resources Group on yahoo.com. On January 16, 2003, Jay posted a message entitled "Farewell Dieoff.com" to the dieoff website, in which he summarized his work over the previous ten years.

The document contains much of interest to anyone who is concerned about the human future today. Jay wrote that he developed an interest in sustainability "when it became clear to me that our present economic system was totally unsustainable and self-destructive. It seemed little more than a well-organized method for converting natural resources into garbage." He believed that a better grasp of economic reality would be welcomed, and attempted to run for public office with the intention to publicize and clarify the flaws in the system. But disillusionment awaited him. He learned that not only are such ideas about sustainability not welcomed by the political-economic establishment, but actually the notion that the United States is a democracy is a myth – "it is actually a stealth plutocracy."

Following this disillusionment Jay undertook further studies. He researched the field of the social sciences, including sociology, cybernetics, system theory, biology, ecology, physics, and evolutionary theory, only to conclude, after several years, that "little – if any – of the so-called ‘social sciences’ (including economics) taught in our universities had anything relevant to say about the real world. Eventually I discarded social science altogether because it had absolutely nothing worthwhile to say about sustainability." The insights gained from these research activities boiled down to two fundamental laws: energy and biological evolution. He concluded that our current economic system is fundamentally incompatible with the basic energy laws of the universe, and that it could never be sustainable.

At this point Jay embarked on a study of human nature, hoping to find a key to what might actually be a sustainable form of human society. "Human nature is much more difficult to understand than energy laws for two main reasons," he wrote. "it’s not taught, and we are genetically biased against self-knowledge." He summarized the fruits of his research to two principles: the computer analogy and a social principle.

The analogy of the computer with the human brain has often been made. The idea is that the brain-matter (neurons, dendrites, etc.) form the hardware, and that thoughts are the software. The ability to think new thoughts is a facility mostly absent from people over the age of 25, for the ability to think new thoughts depends upon years of work – "to grow the brain hardware required to think the thought."

I believe that  Jay’s insight is profound, but the computer analogy, and his own rationalist bias, prevent him from grasping it fully. It is not only that to activate the cognitive functions of a human mind requires a long education – "hard-wiring." . This is not to say anything new. Nor is it even that a lifetime spent in gaining an education is a guarantee that we will be able to produce genuine thoughts.

The computer-brain analogy is false because no distinction is made between the process of thinking and the process of intellection. The computer analogy holds only for the process of intellection. It’s like saying if you want to construct a house you start by digging the basement. Sure. And then you keep adding to it, level by level. And sooner or later you find you have constructed a house for yourself. And everything’s just dandy, that’s the way you go about intellectual construction.

But there is just one problem. Your act of construction was a response to a need for a dwelling place, about which you had a prior concept of a "house." The process of intellection cannot explain the genesis of the unifying idea nor can it address the question of to what extent conceptual activity is the response to a need. Yet scientific thinking presupposes this conceptual activity all the time, although it does not explain it. It depends upon the reconciling activity of thinking to unite a mass of disjoint facts (e.g. the idea of evolution).In that sense, to think is to throw some of the hard wiring out. It is not to add and complexify but to simplify by means of moving to a different level.

Thus the peculiar characteristic of the mind is not addressed in the computer analogy. The "newness" of a thought is owing not solely to the quantity of complexity and "wiring" but upon the qualitative difference between this thought and its predecessors. In other words, there is a time-dimension, a past, and a memory, connected with the ability to form a new thought. The ability to think a new thought thus raises the fundamental question of whether, and how, human life is an enterprise of gaining self-knowledge in time.

But in this respect Jay argues himself into a tight corner. He says that human nature is difficult to understand because it is not taught and we are genetically biased against self-knowledge.  Yet where does he draw the line between the knowledge gained through the scientific study of natural phenomena and self-knowledge?  Isn't the study of biology a way of gaining self-knowledge?  I thought the Darwinians believed we gained a great deal of self-knowledge through the study of geology, and surely we would not want to deny the astronomers their two-cents worth about the general position of man vis-a-vis the universe?  So is Jay saying  we are genetically biased against some kinds of self-knowledge but not others, or that the science which has taught us so much about the world and the way we study it has no bearing on self-knowledge? And this is not even to bring up subjects like history, for example, which a few people here and there still  pursue in the deluded belief that it has something to teach about how human beings strut and fret their hour upon the stage.

 So those are just a few questions. As you see, I am beginning to have fun with it. But let's move on. Remember, Jay has just been talking about his own efforts to educate himself in the social sciences and finding the enterprise nearly worthless. He describes how he immersed himself in modern knowledge and found it barren. It was unreal, abstract, and removed from the constraints of energy that underlie every manifestation of life. Such modern knowledge – particularly in economics – was a deception and a lie.

But despite this realization, what did Jay do? He went on to acquire yet more knowledge. Let us take a pause here and allow ourselves to consider different options. It would have been possible for Jay to confront the barrenness of modern knowledge head-on, so to speak, and not try to avoid it. Such a choice was open to him – that is, to confront this emptiness, and live with it, suffer with it, suffer through it. I am not saying that he should have done this, only suggesting that the possibility of confronting this radical emptiness lay open to him, and he did not choose to pursue it. He could have taken a leap into nothingness.

Is this a strange thing to suggest? Maybe. it's kind of Zen-like. But make no bones about it – or rather, let us makes all the bones we can about it! The question hanging in the air of that nothingness that Jay refused to confront is whether the human mind is capable of regeneration and therefore whether human life is capable of achieving an ecologically sound relationship with the natural world. In this respect I go  farther along this road than Jay has. I say it is more than the ability to think a new thought that is the issue. It is nothing less than a  renovation of our mind that is now demanded. If we are serious about reducing our ecological impact upon the environment, we can only honestly begin with our own thinking, perhaps by first clarifying the relation of thinking to rationality.  For anything we think about -- nature, genes, the environment, consciousness, human nature -- is just that. It is a "thinking-about."  It is rationality, and rationality implies a distance between the activity of thinking and the object that is thought about. That is what makes rationality so useful as a tool. Thinking is separated from the object and can look at it "from outside."

But there is another form of thinking which is not so much a "thinking-about" as a "thinking-with." Indeed, our word "consciousness" means a "thinking-with" -- a con "with" + scio, to know -- the root of our word 'science.'  If "thinking-about" presupposes a divergence between my thinking and its object, the "thinking-with" assumes that I have an inner awareness by which I can be aware of myself thinking. We should not confuse the perpetual inner dialogue with which we keep ourselves company with this "thinking-with."  Self-talk has to be quieted in order for that about which we are thinking to become a subject with us -- for us, indeed, to "subject" ourselves to it. Indeed, to "subject" ourselves in this manner represents a small victory in our campaign to win a moment's respite from perpetual entrapment in our own heads.

Unfortunately, Jay’s increasing preoccupation with genetic theory rules out  serious effort to cultivate the "thinking-with." Even the idea of "thinking-with" genes, instead of about them, is a bit ludicrous. It would be like having to sprout eyes in the back of your head,  like trying to find another entry-point for subjectivity other than by means of thinking. And actually, this is an idea that has already occurred to Jay, who has used the argument that the gap between a sensory input and the mind's grasp of this input in consciousness proves that we make all our decisions subconsciously anyway.

But this is to get ahead of my story.  Jay’s researches into the human brain and its wiring apparatus led him to convert to the viewpoint of evolutionary biology, from which he deduced that our human "empirically designed pre-program" led us historically over a billion years to "maximize inclusive fitness." Now for someone unaccustomed to the jargon of evolutionary biology, I am not quite sure what this means, but I assume it means that the big brain of the human species gave it (us) a better survival mode when compared to other species. "One of these pre-programs was specifically designed to inhibit self-knowledge with respect to social issues. By remaining unaware of our true motives, we are much more effective at deceiving others."

Here I may make an observation concerning Jay’s self-education. Apparently he did not include literature, art, religion, philosophy, or poetry in his program – subjects that are interestingly termed "the humanities." But surely he is aware that the appearance of intellectualism with guile has been recorded in Western literature, beginning with the Biblical story of Creation. Later in the Bible, the figure of Jacob may be singled out as a guileful intellectual opportunist, along with his Greek counterpart, the ‘wily Odysseus,’ immortalized in Homer’s Odyssey. So Jay’s contention that we deceive ourselves and others is no new news, unless the genetic twist is offered as the final nail in the coffin. But before we bury ourselves, let us note that the big-brained species was not so inhibited in its self-knowledge that it failed to recognize, and perhaps mourn through its literature, its own loss of innocence. The myth of a Paradise or a Golden Age is universal in every culture.

Thus the idea propounded by the evolutionary biologist concerning the universality of human guile and deception belongs to this genre of self-awareness. It is the price we pay for intellect. Everybody should know this by now – if for no other reason that it explains the charm of young children, who have yet to acquire the poisoned gift of intellectuality and the ability to tell lies with a straight face. But characteristically, this insight into the nature of human intellectuality doesn’t come, in the thoughts of the evolutionary biologists, with any emotional force or vitality of feeling. It’s not rooted in any feeling. Our ancestors mourned and created cultures. We do not mourn; we state facts.

But I editorialize. Let me pull back my harness once again and continue with Jay: "Contrary to the received wisdom, people do not think and then act. They act and then rationalize."

I suppose that if one is willing to overlook the philosophical tradition, in which the relations between action and thought have been debated for centuries, that the statement is true. Most people probably do think that they think before they act. In this regard I am reminded of a point that Ortega y Gasset often made, to the effect that people do not think until something goes wrong in their environment, when something they have depended on no longer proves to be dependable. This table I am writing on, I do not think about it. But if the table suddenly collapsed, I would have to think about it, and figure out what happened to it.

It is a good point, and Jay’s intellectual journey is a good illustration of it. In the absence of any viable theory of a sustainable culture and in the obvious increase of waste, despoliation and entropy, Jay embarked on a search to find how the causes for this situation lay in human nature. All of us are now  having to think about these issues because Nature is showing the unmistakable strain of our presence. We are learning just how much we depend on Nature in all vital ways, and the subject of energy resource depletion is causing all sorts of shudders in the domain of thought. And all kinds of rationalizations as well – from the economists and the cornucopians and the fatuous promoters of The Endless Ingenuity of Human Intelligence. Jay is quite right to be disgusted with this attitude. There is a large movement of cultural revulsion today, and I have often thought that disgust and moral revulsion are an important catalyst to human thinking. It is a variant of the collapsing table, only with a moral flavor.

Be that as it may, Jay goes on to say that "in modern societies, economic growth serves as a proxy for increasing fitness…continued social stability requires us to continuously INCREASE energy use, which we now know is impossible! It should not come as a surprise that we have been pre-programmed to overshoot and crash just like other animals." He concludes his paper by saying that there are no humane solutions to the problem – "because it is impossible to solve the problem of human corruption… Unfortunately, the best the poor can hope for is a painless death."

This concludes my summary of Jay’s farewell paper, in which the hard outlines of the situation are boldly and clearly stated. It may be impossible, short of theological Calvinism, to go beyond his characterization of human depravity  and self-deception. And yet the individual writing this paper retained a belief in the value or truth of what he was saying. 

In the end, we come up against paradoxes. With the blade of moral disgust we cut out our own tongues and return to silence. If we have not yet dwelt in that silence it is because the blade is not yet sharp enough.

Part 2 The Dieoff.com e-list

The original phase of the dieoff.com discussion group was dedicated to exploring questions raised by Jay’s farewell paper. I don’t know how long this group continued in operation, but it lapsed eventually, only to re-form recently on April 1, 2004. The purpose of this reformulated discussion group was to promote a book called The Spirit of the Gene, by an Australian photo-journalist named Reg Morrison. Evidently, Jay Hanson thought very highly of this book and re-started the group in order to enable the author, Reg Morrison, to enter into discussions with his readers.

The word ‘discussions,’ however, is a bit of a misnomer. Jay and his friend Reg seem to have evolved to a place beyond dialogue to an Olympian haunt of hyper-rationalism where human-racebashing has become the common sport. Of course, it is nothing so crude and obvious as that – the pronouncements are couched in the impeccable language of biological science and clothed with the latest research into brain biochemistry and genetics. Nothing so crude as emotion is allowed to intrude on the ceaseless paeans to human passivity vis-à-vis the genes. Anyone who has the temerity to question any facet of the genetic dogma will get pages and pages of material thrown at him – whole passages from books, for example. Nobody on the message list seems to question the right of Jay and Reg to secede from humanity in this fashion and make pronouncements upon human culture with its arrogant self-deceiving delusions.

As far as that goes, I think that to call us humans "animal" is an insult to our four-footed kindred; -- a point I have made elsewhere on this website. As for the other part, Jay and Reg never think to look in the mirror for a view of arrogance and delusion.

We see according to our mode of thinking -- said St. Thomas Aquinas. Or maybe it's something about the sword that cuts both ways or the mote and beam -- old old cliches that arose from cultures long, long ago. But of what use are such homely reminders to the new men of science? The new race of men is A.D. -- not anno domini but After Darwin.

Part 3 The Transcendent Gene

I agree with Jay Hanson and Reg Morrison concerning the very real possibility that the human race will destroy itself and the earth or come close to doing so within the next hundred years. But that is as far as I go. I think the fault lies not with spirituality but with the failure of spirituality. The fault lies in the rational dessicated intellect.

Reg Morrison makes the argument that humanity follows the well-studied pattern of any "plague species," which, when it overruns and overpopulates its habitat, is due for a drastic correction. He blames "cultural mysticism" – the religious beliefs of humanity – for building a myth of transcendent value attached to human life and of its special status with regard to the rest of Nature. These beliefs produced "… a faith-dependent species that believed itself to be thoroughly separate from the rest of the animal kingdom but followed its genetic instructions to the letter… Here was a gene-driven animal… yet one that believed itself to be under special guidance… Here was a wonderfully practical insanity, an invincible hereditary madness that eventually enabled this underendowed paragon of animals to devour the planet like a ripe fruit."

The sport of religion-bashing has been popular since the 19th century, and Reg Morrison has not come up with any particularly new methods. What is  remarkable about his approach is that there is no attempt to examine the nature of rationality, nor to ask whether the rise of scientific rationality since the 1500’s may have had something to do with the increasing exploitation of earth’s resources. As one correspondent to the dieoff Q&A group pointed out in a recent posting, "The chart on the home page of this group which shows global population versus time appears to indicate a direct relationship between the degree of rationality in our culture and the total amount of resources we consume… one can see that the slope of the curve rises steeply after formal science replaced Christianity as the major institution for revealing ‘truth’ in our (western) culture."

I believe this to be an excellent point, though the Moderator of the group (Jay Hanson) derided it. He replied as follows: "Not quite true. Science and technology provided ‘means’ to follow genetic drives. Humans can find justification (excuses) anywhere – including formal mysticism."

By now the reader should be getting a clear picture of where these discussions are leading. As Lady Macbeth put it, "Hell is murky." The terms mysticism and self-justification are used to ridicule the attempt to make any useful distinctions whatsoever, convenient for foiling genuine discussion. Perhaps Reg and Jay, having accused the human race of persistent intellectual dishonesty, think that by showcasing it in their e-group discussions that we will not fail to get the point. The argument is that genes drive everything we do; mysticism provides a cover for the genetic program; all rationalization is a form of self-justification; hence the very genetic program that brought us success will eventually bring us to our ruin. The argument appears watertight until you begin to wonder why the views of real genetic scientists are not mentioned. Morrison gives us this: "In linking the words genetic and behavior, I do not mean to suggest that particular genes code for particular behaviors. In fact, it is now generally conceded that many genes are multifunctional, and large numbers of them undoubtedly play a minor role in most behavior."" (p. 173, The Spirit in the Gene) This "concession" seems to be a rather weak basis on which to construct the indictment.

Consider, for example, Morrison’s discussion of the role of genes in Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). As a parent of two teen-age boys, I have often had the opportunity to observe what passes for childrearing practices in these Disunited States of Advancement. It astonished me to see how often, and in how many homes, the TV was left on constantly, and how often parents allowed younger siblings and quite young children to be "parked" in front of it. Any daycare center that kept a television running was certainly not on my list, and my husband and I never bought our children video games or other appurtenances of a media-oriented lifestyle. In the few interactions I had with parents of ADHD-diagnosed children, the two characteristics I noted were the passive parenting style and the ubiquity and invasiveness of the media in the home.

So it has come as no surprise to me to learn that recent research on the ADHD disorder has concluded that overexposure to television by young children harms the developing brain and lays the groundwork for the later manifestation of ADHD. Studies carried on by Dmitri Chistakis, a Seattle pediatrician,  pointed to a strong correlation between the two. The article reporting these findings (Philadelphia Inquirer, April 11, 2004) admitted that there was a need for further research, for "It may be determined that genetics, not TV, plays the bigger role in child hyperactivity. But even now, the question must be asked: Why are babies watching TV at all?"

Although the Chistakis research is recent, the TV-ADHD link has been debated for years. Reg Morrison’s omits any mention of this, and his account of ADHD focusses on studies of twins. He cites a researcher who concluded that "’no dimension of our behavior is wholly immune to the effects of genetic expression.’" Thus Morrison: "In fact, I would suggest that the moment that we accept that we are entirely normal animals, then no other reasonable conclusion is available to us."

On the contrary, I suggest that many other conclusions are available. One of the most obvious would be to ask whether there is a connection between passive parenting and children who are unable to concentrate and exert motor control. The even larger question – which is so large it may as well be written upon a billboard in Grand Central Station, would be to ask if there is a connection between the refusal to confront moral realities and the breakdown of civilization. However, such questions would be of interest only for that small minority of persons who are interested in philosophy and capable of nuanced thinking. In the new cognitive style being popularized by Morrison, Hanson, et al, dogmatic piety has replaced thinking.

Part 4 Dogmatic Piety

What is it about the genes that so evokes mystical piety? Perhaps the appeal of the genes lies in their "hermetic" quality. For entities believed to be running the show, they possess a magical aloofness, subject merely to the vagaries of chance, and immune from influences of environment or exigencies of need. The genes thus epitomize the situation of the rational intellect today: tyranny masked as inevitability, the non-participating controller.

Reg Morrison and Jay Hanson often cite the work of Richard Dawkins, a fellow of New College, Oxford, and one of the leading thinkers in the field of evolutionary biology today. In an interview from Skeptic , "Darwin’s Dangerous Disciple, An Interview with Richard Dawkins," the interviewer, Frank Miele, quoted a passage from Dawkins’ book, River Out of Eden, to wit: "The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference." Miele, quoting Shakespeare’s words that life is "a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing," asked Dawkins if in fact this described Dawkins’ position. Dawkins replied that, "Yes, at a sort of cosmic level, it is. But what I want to guard against is people therefore getting nihilistic in their personal lives. I don’t see any reason for that at all. You can have a very happy and fulfilled personal life even if you think that the universe at large is a tale told by an idiot. You can set up goals and have a very worthwhile life and not be nihilistic about it at a personal level."

This is an answer given by a priest of hermetism. In a purely abstract sense it may be possible for large numbers of people to lead fulfilled lives even though the high priests of their society tell them that the larger picture is meaningless. A great many people can manage despite the bleak message coming from above because people in general, and large numbers of people in particular, do not think that questions about ultimate truth are crucial to their lives, or if such questions are crucial, that they could do anything about them.

But Dawkins' answer does not address the need for truth, which is the most powerful motivation of the exceptional individual. "I would rather die than live without truth," wrote Simone Weil (1909-1942) -- that great and troubled spirit. But in a more profound sense Dawkins' answer undermines the very enterprise of science in which he is engaged. For this enterprise is based upon the assumption that there is a truthful relation or correspondence between human thinking and the world. It would lead too far afield to go into this now -- indeed, many books have been written about this. But if nothing else, Dawkins' reply is an example of how a rationality that is not tempered by relational awareness begins to destroy and undermine its own foundation. Thus is mental alienation "projected" and becomes the picture of the world

The retreat of science into hermetism may be a characteristic of mass society. And in In point of fact, the genetic dogmatists have ample justification for believing that human beings are the passive creatures of their genes. Passivity is one of the striking features of modern life. We can begin with now and go back into history. The passivity of Americans has often been noted – one recalls de Tocqueville, for example, who observed early in the 19th century that "I know of no country where there is less liberty of thought than in America." We Americans seem strangely passive in the face of a government that has encroached upon nearly every sector of society. In the "Grandfather Economic Reports," M.W. Hodges charts the decline of the private sector’s share of the U.S. economy. Before the New Deal, the government sector comprised 9% of the economy. By 1940 the government share had grown to 24% of the economy, and by 2002 government, both Federal and State, outstripped 3-4 times all other spending. By then government occupied about 42% of the economy. The economic disenfranchisement of the American citizenry has proceeded at a relentless pace, no doubt to accompany the selling of the country to corporate management. Our landscape and lifestyle bear witness to this new form of modern serfdom.

Let us continue with the historical review and look at Europe in the 20th century. Need we linger here long, in the gas chambers of Auschwitz or the trenches of Paschendaele? We Americans, in the 20th century, were content merely to deface our physical landscape, whereas the Europeans, being more idea-oriented, merely defaced their historical landscape. The competition between Fascism and Communism to see who could kill the most people ended with the uneasy ascendency of America. There was something like a 50-year respite until it became clear that the oil was running out and the pace of war picked up once again.

Well, let’s keep going back into the past. The 19th century was a highly creative period in England and Europe – far more dynamic, artistically and intellectually, than the 20th century that followed it. I will not say much about 19th century America, where the Yankee hegemony had been established and the agrarian alternative to it in the South decisively vanquished. The chief factor of interest concerning the 19th century was the Darwinian intellectual conquest.

 There can be no argument that the idea of evolution was one of the great thoughts ever produced by a human mind. But the real fruits of the evolutionary idea have yet to be won. It has needed to be supplemented by the concept of an evolution of consciousness – an idea that Owen Barfield did so much to illuminate in his important book, Saving the Appearances (1957).

It is virtually impossible for us today to understand the real significance of the Scientific Revolution, and, by extension,  to understand the thought-processes of our distant ancestors, without a close study of Barfield’s book. May I also recommend Herbert Butterfield’s book on the origins of science and John Lukacs’ book, Historical Consciousness. And there are others – notably Thomas Kuhn, although I have some reservations about his book, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. These books illuminate the context in which the material-mechanical interpretation of the evolutionary idea unfolded and show why this mechano-morphic interpretation of evolution both took for granted our radical separation from Nature and did much, at the same time, to further this radical separation. Thus, unable to read from the rocks and bones – and later, the genes – that the story of the coming-into-being of human self-awareness correlates with the discovery of the phenomena of Nature – we were left radically uncertain of our place in the ecology of the earth. No wonder radical materialism has come as a scourge to our intellectual world. But the replacement of one false picture of the world by another is not progress; it is just the substitution of one falsehood by another.

The problem with the radical materialism as espoused by Morrison and Hanson is its intellectual dishonesty. Morrison and Hanson want to make use of scientific rationality, which posits a radical, Cartesian separation between thoughts and things, between the human being and the world. But then they turn around and condemn humanity for not understanding its dependency on Nature and feeling itself separate from Nature. This is called wanting to have it both ways. To justify their intellectual dishonesty they say that this is the way people are -- deceiving liars and self-justifying rationalizers. It is hard to witness how so many presumably intelligent people are being suckered in to this supposed "discussion"  – unless the April1st starting date of this group was meant to carry a hidden message. It's not by studying genetics that you learn how people are passive. Just look at the world around you -- with open eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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