PSYCHOINTEGRATION

Technique of integration of the mind  

Developed by Jorge Raúl Olguín  

Psychointegration is a new science that bolsters Dianetics and Scientology.  

FIRST PART  

The word trans means "after", as much in the space as in the time.  

Transpersonal observes the person after having acted, because the study is based on the experience.  

The term "transpersonal" was adopted to refer to people that extend its identity beyond the individuality and of the personality.  

Transpersonal investigates on the Being's essential nature.  

What is it to be transpersonal?  

To transcend beyond the person. And alone you transcend integrating the ego. That is achieved with Psychointegration.  

Teacher and student are represented with the diagram of the Yin and the Yang, where the truth has an error dose and the error really possesses a dose.  

The truth is Wisdom. The error is ignorance. Which is the error in the truth? To try to impose the Knowledge. Which is the truth in the error? To resist to the imposition, because the teacher imposes for ego and when realizing the resistance of the other one, he learns in that way that doesn't traffic the correct path.  

Giving to make us want is to depend on our ego.  

Giving to feel well is ego part and spirit part.  

Giving without committing the emotion, it is action of the spirit.  

Giving committing the emotion is to balance our interior, integrating ego and spirit.  

SECOND PART  

They tell you something that you don't like, a sentence that you don't like. There is something inside of yours those rebels. There is also other me, maybe deeper that he/she gets angry with the first one because this rebelled of their state of harmony. But "the second me", wanting to correct to the first one, it also leaves their interior peace.  

Obviously, that first I am invaded by the ego and it is in a learning stage. But the other one me, something wiser, it also loses the control for the emotional impulses of the first one. It happens that that me, teacher of the first one, is also in a learning stage. That is to say that, in turn, he/she is a student of other me more internal.  

To conquer the ego doesn't mean to take left by that third me and to leave aside both first, looking for that these disintegrate. Why? Because to take party is, somehow, to leave something. And to try to disintegrate the affected "different several me" is to be discriminatory with part of ourselves.  

If we take left by certain posture, automatically we leave out to the other ones. If we try to integrate all the tendencies. We will achieve the balance.  

That guessed right would be not to take left by any internal posture, for higher than it is, because that would take to a disintegration of our unconscious state, achieving confrontations among the diverse "different several me" and causing, unintentionally, a changing and insecure personality. When not taking a certain posture, there is not disintegration of the "different several me", because "anything leaves". Then, you advance to the second step that is to look for the integration of the different tendencies, unifying them in the highest. Therefore, the ego is not destroyed neither it relegates it to a vegetative state, but rather he/she is given the list that corresponds him that is to bolster the self-esteem. Of there a sure person arises and, to the sure being, you/he/she can be tolerant. To the tolerant being, he/she learns how to not losing the control for any external verbal aggression [1].  

That posture of tolerance, without protagonism, is the base of the Psychointegration.  

THIRD PART  

The original Psychology goes back to the classic antiquity and he/she explained the human being's activity through its rational soul.  

In the second half of the XIX century, the Psychology became independent of the philosophy and all linking was eliminated with the metaphysics. It was limited to the study of the behavior observable, deepening the analysis.  

El made of the Psychology it is to try to solve the human being's internal conflicts to achieve their well-being.  

Psychointegration advances a step further on, because it looks for that the Being finds I get same and achieve a balance, he/she stops this way to realize that the true well-being is empathizer with the other one, being able to channel its deeper emotions correctly.  

The emotion  

The emotion, without balance, it can be pernicious. An introverted emotion causes bitterness, hates and also traumas in the person that suffers it.  

An extroverted emotion can end in all type of aggressions toward el who, we believe, he/she attacks us.  

It would not be positive to rob us of all emotion, because we would stop to involve ourselves with our environment. Our ego would grow in form excessive when not channeling it in any sense.  

On the other hand, a non contained emotion would transform us in completely impulsive individuals.  

It is necessary an analytic contention for the emotions without control. It is also indispensable a sensibility of conscience for those people that believe that, dominating the emotions, they are less vulnerable and they finish being insensitive with the other people's suffering.  

A balanced emotion is the base so that the person has the control of her impulses and this way, she can give and to receive love.  

FOURTH PART  

The human being has several facets or different "different several me". It can be sad, melancholic or depressive. The important thing is that it doesn't identify that state with an entirety. For example: - "Today is a sad day, slope am totally, I don't support my general state, etc." Nobody slopes" is "totally, it is that person's ego that is identified with a list. The ego is sad, the ego is melancholic, and the ego "slope" is.  

They are the person's lists; he/she is not the person in their entirety. That person can have projects, plans or ideas that maybe change part of her psychic state. And if the lists of the ego "get used" to make of victim, it is necessary to keep in mind that a word of encouragement, a spiritual help or a pleasing company can also alleviate the depression and, little by little, to transform it in euphoria.  

You can avoid that the ego is identified with a certain list and it is "taking off the identification."  

Ironically, it is the same ego el that prevents the human being to arrive to depersonalizes, because it is permanently in "the periphery" of the field of the conscience and he has the fellow's control.  

An example very seen it is given in people with such a deteriorated self-esteem that they live needing of the attention of the other ones and their ego transforms those people in completely absorbent beings and manipulators. They live as something natural to play victim's lists and to transfer blames, and they don't realize the rejection that you/they cause in the other ones, because their ego them cloud the discernment.  

FIFTH PART  

Psychointegration is such a simple road that it is obvious. It means to integrate all the lists, all the different several me. The human beings have different several me, those different several me they make the person to have changes in her behavior: be informal, with erratic personalities. Because each I want to be the main character and he/she wants to stand out losing in shine to the other different several me. But one doesn't give all that the other different several me thinks in the same way.  

There is a Me Central, lacking ego that has the whole discernment and it is the channel that communicates with the Me Superior, clarifying that the Me Superior is 90% of our spirit that is in the corresponding plane [2]. When the spirit is disincarnate the Me Central and the Me Superior is the same thing.  

In the spirits of the Error, that Me Superior doesn't have its integrated protagonist lists and, therefore, although the Me Central of the red fellow he/she communicates, the guide that he/she receives won't be valuable. On the contrary, it will exacerbate more the acted character of the different several me.  

The ego possesses many lists: one of the most pernicious is the arrogance. One cannot have arrogance if one doesn't have ego. You cannot be susceptible if ego is not possessed. That ballast makes the person to be offended, mount in cholera, submerge in a lot of doubts, etc.  

To integrate the ego is a victory of the spirit. The person that doesn't play is not prejudiced, she doesn't give space to the offense, and you/he/she doesn't try to manipulate others. The human being that doesn't personify won't give place to the ego centrism.  

Subsequently a session of telepathic contact is transcribed where a Teacher of Light speech of Psychointegration (in this case he/she made it Ron Hubbard).  

SESSION OF THE 4/7/2000  

Medium: Jorge Olguín.  

Speaker: Horacio Velmont.  

Entities that were presented to dialogue: Johnakan Ur-el, Me Superior or Thetan of Jorge Olguín and Ron Hubbard, founder of Dianetics and Scientology.  

Speaker: Who will communicate?  

Johnakan Ur-el: I am Johnakan, and after my message I will give place to the Teacher Ron so that it offers their opinion on diverse topics.  

I mean, in principle that we no longer have a personality in the 5º vibration level, because the personality is generally “tied” to the ego.  

But yes certain peculiarities exist, to say it somehow that distinguish to a spirit of another.  

This way, Ron is for example, a little more impulsive and more direct than my personality; Kether, the Old man of the days that was named Planetary Logoses twice and at the moment it is embodied in the planet Aní, it is a sharper little bit in their ideas and that is not bad; Rah, of Antares 4, he/she is a being of very sweet voice, the same as my dear Teacher Jesus, and Tar, the “Messenger of the eons” that embodied in the Earth in Egypt like Thot (Hermes Trismegisto) it is very strict in their messages.  

I want to explain that me, as spiritual entity and Thetan of this holder, I am embodied in 10% in the holder, but now el that is speaking is 90 remaining% that is in the plane 5º of spiritual vibration.  

Speaker: Is not he/she speaking 100%?  

Johnakan Ur-el: No, 100% no, but 90% at this time. But what I want to transmit to those that don't understand the telepathic canalization, now is that what the spirit gives is concepts, they are ideas, they are not words.  

The word goes her thinking the medium, and the medium can only transmit a certain percentage of the idea or the concept that he/she wants to give the spirit, depending on its capacity telepathic canalization and of other factors, as the knowledge, the engrams and the preconcepts that he/she has.  

If my spiritual part communicated with another spiritual part, be Ron, Jesus, or Lao Tsé, perhaps in a single idea, in few seconds, could you transmit one hour or more than of dialogue of you… is that interpreted that mean?  

Speaker: Yes, perfectly.  

Johnakan Ur-el: But to take it to the earthly language he/she is necessary “to filter it”, and many times he/she doesn't filter completely well. For that reason, when my red part, Jorge Olguín, makes the corrections, it evaluates things that it can eliminate, sew that he/she can add, to amend always stops better, so that later that that he/she reads it has a better interpretation of the message that is wanted to transmit.  

Speaker: It is clear.  

Johnakan Ur-el: This doesn't mean that the holder is not good medium, of course, a transmission that is about the 90 or 95% of fidelity can be considered something since really exceptional, an unique case in the planet Earth.  

Another thing that I want to make them you notice it is that some medium, erroneously, they consider that if they take to a Chinese, they have to transmit as if it was a Chinese, that is to say making stress in the special accent of that language.  

A transmission emphasizes this way only what can or it should be obviated, because in rigor what is transmitting is the idea, the concept, and not another thing.  

Speaker: But is to put emphasis in the idiomatic accent in short, bad in the telepathic canalization? I ask it because one of my previous medium, in an opportunity that incorporated Confucio, spoke with Chinese accent…  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is not in me to judge who transmits this way, I only say that it is unnecessary and he/she doesn't add anything to the fidelity of the transmission, and he/she can even give place to confusion in which listens, because the spirit embodies a, ten or a hundred times or more and there would not be any special reason so that it used the accent of the language of some of its incarnations, although it was the good known one, like in the case of Confucio.  

Speaker: This was perfectly clear…  

Johnakan Ur-el: I will give me pass my dear brother Ron now. The greeting with all my blessings…  

Speaker: See you later, Johnakan, and thank you… are you already incorporate, Teacher Ron?  

Ron Hubbard: Dear pupil…  

Speaker: How does he/she go him, Teacher, so much time? It was like be absent…  

Ron Hubbard: Never one is absent therefore of those that he/she loves, and this is a metaphor, we are never absent of the well-known universe.  

Before anything wanted to remind them that light's spirits, of the 4º and 5º level, communicate with entities that suffer of the levels 2º and 3º that are spirits of the Error whose ego is so increased that he/she makes them resentful, susceptible…, then we go to console.  

Speaker: How do they arrive at those levels?  

Ron Hubbard: We descend - to descend is a way to say -, us “but dense”, to communicate with those entities.  

As well as you - and this was already said by me in one of the first sessions - in the physical plane they cannot see, except for those that have a paranormal guess, to the spiritual entities, those of the plane 2 cannot see those of the plane 3, those of the 3 to those of the 4 and so forth.  

In rigor, it is not that us “they see”, because to say “to see” it is also a way to express it, because in the spiritual planes there is not a “to see” with eyes, since eyes don't exist.  

In the spiritual planes there is another type of vision that is much wider. Also, we perceive ourselves as lines.  

When descending us communicates somehow with their minds and we give them consolation, we send them light, like to make a more pleasant little bit their state.  

Speaker: Do you suffer in that communication type?  

Ron Hubbard: Always, because we share the isolation… The ego makes many plays… those that try to subject to other are… and this says it in earthly terms, those that vaporizing to other, those that are locked in themselves and they don't want to communicate… The spirit doesn't have age, but however they are packed as earthly creatures.  

This is what loved them… Now they can pass to the questions…  

Maria A.: My name is Maria A. and I wanted to ask him if in the field of the literary art I am well guided and it is part of my mission.  

Ron Hubbard: You should not leave what you are making because it is not only very beautiful for your person… they don't create that to be flattered itself is lack of spirituality. One should sometimes have incentives, because until in the plane 5º are incentives… for example, we motivate ourselves when we see that there are beings of the plane 2º that rise spiritually and they go changing plane toward subtler vibratory levels.  

But, on the contrary that little incentive is to observe that there are thousands and thousands of spirits of the Error that you/they listen to us and in spite of they pay it remiss attention of our teachings!  

We are not hurt, because when not having ego there is not form of injuring. Yes, there is kind of a discouragement - if I am allowed that expression - when seeing that the result that we have it is very scarce.  

Returning to your case, it mates, it is beautiful for your person what you are making, and separate it is service for the other ones, because all that is writing and later it is read by other people it influences in their growth.  

Maria A.: can I enlarge the question?  

Ron Hubbard: Yes, ahead.  

Maria A.: In this mission I will receive help of superior entities?  

Ron Hubbard: I perceive at telepathic level that you are already receiving help of diverse entities.  

Maria A.: Of what way receipt that help?  

Ron Hubbard: The help can receive it in the causal body or of ideas…Lo you know because, for example, when in a given moment you have a topic that stops to think it to conclude it would take you a lot of time, suddenly the answer comes to your conscience in an instant. This means as that it was influenced you somehow, but it should not be interpreted that the entities will make the work for one. Yes, they can sometimes give kind of a jog. And in the future you will still have more support.  

Maria A.: Another question that I want to make it is the difference is among Psychology Transpersonal that I have studied about which, and the technique that the professor has developed Olguín, that is to say, Psychointegration.  

Ron Hubbard: I will say it for Johnakan that is who Psychointegration has developed. Psychointegration is a step beyond the Psychology Transpersonal. He/she is in charge of mainly of the part of the ego. He/she is in charge of mainly of what is the human attachment, the ignorance that he/she invites to not wanting to rise… at this time Johnakan is dictating me a sentence: “The more knowledge has in the world spiritual, more pain we feel.”  

I translate it: When one more he/she is integrated to another spirit, the more knowledge one has of the soul, be human or of beings of other systems of our galaxy or of other galaxies, more one leaves giving bill of all that it misses most of those beings to rise, and then more it is suffered… One cannot stop to feel pain for the suffering of those beings.  

Psychointegration teaches, in this sense - something that Transpersonal makes in very superficial form, very “of taco”, like you would say - that “that that has more ego, more domain desire, that more tries to be main character, is el that more suffers.”  

The only way that one has of not suffering is to leave. But this can be not well expert. To leave or, like he/she says my holder, not to need, he/she doesn't mean not to worry about the other one, but having more time to give to the other one, since this is the important thing.  

It doesn't mean “indifference”, but just the opposite, “to have more time to give love.”  

Speaker: Another question is if Psychointegration is good for all or for some Dianetics serves, for other Scientology…  

Ron Hubbard: In the physical plane he/she was discovered the vaccine Sabin. What is it necessary me, if I have six months of age, the Sabin or the Salk?  

Speaker: Obviously the Sabin…  

Ron Hubbard: Then, if I can give myself the Sabin that drops are, so that I will apply the Salk that one gives in the back?... Like thing separated informs you that I applied it to me in life…  

That is to say, for what reason to use any other treatment having Psychointegration by hand, if we know that the origin of the suffering is the ignorance and the ego and is this technique ideal for that?  

Concluding, if we know that in all the spirits - in all -, does the mind reactivate it is, and if we know that integrating the different several me, integrating the ego, there is not way to have engrams, for what reason will we look for another method then if dissolving and does integrating the egos solve the problem?  

Speaker: That is well, Teacher, but when you were red he/she came with the mission from developing Dianetics and then Scientology, and Freud came before to develop the Psychoanalysis… The question is if continually of the civilization it corresponds him to develop a certain technique, for el that is prepared the race and not another for which is not prepared.  

Ron Hubbard: Be not still prepared for Psychointegration! We know that 90% of people make Freudian Psychoanalysis, "Psychoanalysis of the psychologist Lacán", and conversing with entities disincarnates, big Teachers of the Psychology, themselves recognizes that eliminating that attachment is not necessary any psychological help that dissolves any trauma type, because there is not way to sow traumas where there is not ego.  

It would be as if you in the physical plane wanted to sow a plant in the asphalt.  

That is to say that Dianetics and Scientology were necessary - and they are still it -, because inside the red plane, and inside what we go evolving, the race is not still prepared properly for Psychointegration, because this technique implies to stop to be main character to grant the protagonism to the other one…  

Speaker: I know, for own experience, the difficult thing that it is to achieve that…  

Ron Hubbard: Notice that maternal garden, preschool, first grades of the primary one, those of the secondary, third, university student and the graduate degrees is in the physical plane.  

And as well as there are people, and this says it with supreme respect for all the credos that according to their idiosyncrasy or necessities go, for example, to the cult that here calls you evangelical - and that in other countries he/she calls himself Protestant or Lutheran -, there are other people that, also according to their idiosyncrasy or necessities, they go to the Catholic cult or the Spiritualist.  

Speaker: I understand the point…  

Ron Hubbard: We will speak of the evangelical ones… Them, with a shepherd that says Hallelujah!, they are already happy. But this to you would not serve you, because it is as if you were an algebra professor and they wanted to become trained to add with the accountant. Obviously you would say: But please, this already passed it! It cannot be taught to add this way a professor of Trigonometry, but to other people yes it would serve them.  

Speaker: This is clear, Teacher… I would like now that it enlarges the explanation a little, if it is possible, on the system of auditing of Psychointegration.  

Ron Hubbard: In fact, Psychointegration is not auditing. That makes Psychointegration it is that each I that it is dispersed recover their true function that makes comfortable in the mind it reactivates, so that this mind is analytic. What is looked for is to dissolve or to transmute that ego. When transmuting that ego there is no longer fertile field for the engrams.  

Not you audit to the person with Psychointegration. With Psychointegration it is it as if it was in Psychology Transpersonal, but somehow making him see the person that should not need that should have the whole time to give.  

The important thing is not to be main character. That person that is not main character anything will hurt it, nobody will hurt him, you/he/she won't be susceptible and besides her engrams will disappear, because the engrams appears in the protagonism.  

Speaker: Could the example be valid to explain to Psychointegration that this treatment is as making not fertile the land so that the grass doesn't grow, that is to say, instead of pulling up it like one makes in Dianetics?  

Ron Hubbard: The example is valid to be understood, although it is not very exact completely… I reiterate, then that is not of an auditing, not even of Psychoauditing that is the auditing to the Thetan.  

It is something deeper and simpler at the same time. It is that the person stops to play. What happens is that when one being red it is very difficult to stop to play.  

Everything is protagonism. It is protagonism that that is admired by the other one in a way. It is protagonism that that has a title… In the true Service there is not holding, neither mother, neither father, neither doctor, neither psychologist, not even friend. We are all Servants. The holding puts them because we are in a society where somehow we specify them, but we don't have to take this way them to the tremendous one.  

Somehow, if my holder is a doctor, he/she is a doctor for the other ones, but he doesn't stop.  

Speaker: In the case of Oscar S., would present, serve him here for example Psychoauditing, that is to say, the auditing directly to its Thetan?  

Ron Hubbard: It could be useful the auditing to their Thetan, but accepting Oscar to be treated with Psychointegration, I consider preferable this technique to their red part instead of Psychoauditing to their Thetan.  

I consider that light's roads are valid and those that fail are the beings human and not the roads. I will give a brief example before retiring because the holder is very out.  

One of the most important currents in the Planet is that of the Sufis that you/they are managed in 50% by their beliefs and in other 50% for their anecdotes that are so wise that they deserve, to say it somehow, “it reveres” - or “to be taken out the hat”, like you say -, on behalf of those that are in the road.  

However, in most of the countries where he/she is practiced that philosophy the ignorance of their inhabitants it is total, with such a big attachment and some desires of power so enormous, added to an enormous indifference by the pain of the other one - the same as the countries where he/she is practiced the Buddhism that one of the most important philosophies in the planet is - that arrive to the height of the perversity of amputating the hand of their babies to request charity… What Buddhists' class are they? what class of Mohammedans are they?, what Hindustan class are they?  

Us, when we are red, we love our children with a personal love, and it is not bad because they are stages… When I was embodied he/she also loved from a personal way to many people… This personal love is something natural in the human beings, and for that reason it is we difficult to conceive that somebody can have such an unnatural, so loathsome behavior.  

What spirit so cruel is el that is inside those holders so that they become cripples to their own children amputating them their members so that they inspire pity to the pedestrians and to obtain this way some miserable more rupees?  

Good, those practice philosophies Sufi, Buddhism, Brahmanism, called Hinduism…!  

Light's brother Mahatma Gandhi said in an opportunity: “I adore the Christian philosophy, but I am disappointed of the Christian”. And me, Ron, for my part says: “I adore the oriental philosophy, but I am disappointed with the oriental”…  

Obviously, it is a figurative way to express it, because the master to all, but I want them to understand the paradox very high philosophies to be degraded by their followers.  

The problem, therefore, I eat I already said, they are not the spiritual limits but those that practice them.  

In one of the first messages that were given three terrestrial years ago, it was said that there are teachers that are so mistaken that instead of summoning so that somehow they revere the Creator, they summon to be themselves those revered.  

That is the great error, because what has to practice light's Teacher is, for on all the things, the humility, the service, and that the traditional religions of West don't make it: they want to be served.  

They put on in kind of a true imaginary, or physical pedestal, and they are made literally adore for their parishioners, and these go as livestock to adore them, forgetting the Father that is el who you/they should direct their looks…  

The holder is very out and you more and more he/she is hindered to translate my ideas…  

Speaker: Is all this very clear, Teacher, is not necessary to deepen more in the topic… to finish the session, what spirits are they present?  

Ron Hubbard: The Teacher Jesus, the teachers Siddhartha, Lao Tsé, Confucio, Dwjal Khul, Blavatsky, Serapis, Kwan Yin, Nagarjuna…  

I mean a word regarding Nagarjuna. Nagarjuna is one of the biggest philosophers in all the times, reaching the culmination with its theory of the hole. I would like them to look for that theory and see the beautiful thing that it is…  

Speaker: We will make it…  

Ron Hubbard: My blessings for all…  

Speaker: See you later, Teacher, and thank you.  

Subsequently the first session of Psychointegration is transcribed taken place in the planet Earth, where it was applied the own speaker, Horacio Velmont.

SESSION OF THE 6/11/99  

Medium: Jorge R. Olguín  

Speaker: Horacio Velmont  

Entity that was presented to dialogue: Johnakan Ur-el, Me Superior or Thetan of Jorge R. Olguín.  

Speaker: Who is present?  

Johnakan Ur-el: The Thetan of this holder, Johnakan.  

Interlocutor:Te memory that today's session had programmed it so that you apply me the therapy that this holder developed in the physical plane. I know the Auditing Dianetics and you how it works, but I don't know anything about this therapy.  

Johnakan Ur-el: Psychointegration is a simple, so simple road that it is obvious, and of so obvious that it is, perhaps the person is disappointed and I/you/he/she underrates it saying: “But this is not what I waited!.”  

What does Psychointegration mean? Psychointegration means “to integrate all the lists”, to integrate all the “different several me.”  

The red human being and the spirits of the Error have different several me. Those different several me makes that as much some as others live making errors and be informal.  

Speaker: I believe that Gurdjieff spoke of something similar when he/she referred to the unit lack in the man…  

Johnakan Ur-el: This Teacher that is with me in the 5º level of spiritual vibration, when it was red he/she explained that the man was like a house in which the master had been absent being to the control his servants…  

Speaker: Yes, I remember that passage in their pupil's book Ouspenky, call “Fragments of an unknown teaching.”  

Johnakan Ur-el: … and where each servant wants to take the control list and he takes it bad, until el in charge comes and it orders each servant to fulfill his list that each I fulfill his list.  

What Gurdjieff didn't know, because obviously it was not the so much of Psychointegration, it is that that taken charge is the Me Central.  

Speaker: The Thetan?  

Johnakan Ur-el: No. Leave to the spirit and let us speak of the lists of the spirit. There is a Me Central that has each spirit-generally the red spirit-and that it is el that commands, but he/she doesn't force.  

Then, the different several me, taken by the ego, goes to the periphery and in the periphery they want to stand out, he/she wants to be main character.  

When they are contacted with the center of the conscience, there they are contacted with the Me Central that is a me of discernment. That me power station is el that is connected with the Me Superior that would be 90% of the spirit in this case that this in the other vibration plane.  

But when the spirit disincarnate, the Me Central and the Me Superior is the same thing, because they are already united.  

This doesn't mean that the spirit, when disincarnate being, have more wisdom. He/she has more knowledge, he/she has more memory for all the previous lives, but the ego makes that that spirit forgets all the good one that he/she can have learned, to want to stand out or to use different lists.  

What happens to other people that possess that ego, is that the ego-and I will use an expression of you-he/she is the cousin brother of the arrogance.  

That is to say, one cannot have arrogance if one doesn't have ego. You cannot be susceptible if one doesn't have ego. You cannot be suspicious if one doesn't have ego.  

Any spirit you can offend if he/she doesn't have ego, because when the ego has been integrated it commands the Me Central that is the me of discernment, and anything can offend.  

Many therapists believe-because they ignore-that the ego should be conquered, but the reality is that the field of the conscience is not any battle field.  

I listen many therapists to say: “It is necessary to fight against the ego”, “it is necessary to fight against that temptation”, “it is necessary to fight against….”   

Or if they don't say “but”. When saying but they are opposing. The but and the fight are negative things in the field of the conscience, because when one says but it is objecting. Objecting doesn't stop to be a prejudice, because he/she is doubting of what is telling him the other one.  

In Psychointegration, then, it is considered of bad education, when an Entity is speaking, to tell him “but I believe…”, because when saying it, indirectly it is objecting.  

Speaker: And like one could say then when one doesn't agree with what you/they explain to him?  

Johnakan Ur-el: You could interrupt to the entity saying: “Maybe it could be in such a way…”. Obviously, the Entities won't be discouraged because somebody says: “but”, but rather they will take it with smile, with understanding, but I eat this it is not a session but rather a class, I am explaining that the but he/she doesn't stop to be an objection toward something, and all objections are prejudice.  

Speaker: I understand the point.  

Johnakan Ur-el: Let us continue… The lists can be perfectly integrated, and that is the way to act. Any list, any me, it should be conquered, because the central field of the conscience, I eat I already said, it is not a battle field. The central field of the conscience is an integration field.  

It is very difficult to integrate the lists, because we always think that that I that he/she takes the control am the Me Real that that me that he/she takes “the post”, like you say, we are ourselves, and it is not this way.  

There is a very important example, and he/she has given it Gurdjieff when it was red-I refer to this Teacher because you newly have named him-, of the youth that has a me at night when you is to put to bed that he/she says: “Tomorrow I should get up at certain hour of the dawn because I have to make certain thing and he/she falls asleep mentally that such a thing has to make it yes or yes.  

To the dawn, when it sounds the alarm clock, maybe el that is to the control is other me, a “me lazy”, and when the person that is with him tells him that she has to get up, the “me lazy” she responds that she has time of making the appointment up to 12 o'clock.  

-But it was not that you had to meet with so-and-so at 6 in the morning?  

-Yes, but in the office I can find it because it will be up to 12 o'clock… I will take advantage to sleep one hour more…  

That I that he/she says this a morning don't have anything to do with the previous one that was sure that he/she will get up at six in the morning. And maybe be 9 in the morning and still that me lazy he/she is making that that spirit loafs in the bed and don't get up.  

Speaker: The question is to where the was me of the night…  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is, but in a relegated plane, because the other one I took the control.  

Speaker: Can one say that it is a fight of powers among the different several me?  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way. In the same way like in the planes 2 and 3 of spiritual vibration that are plane of the Error, there are fights of spirits to take the control, inside oneself spirit is different several me fights.  

That psychologist that doesn't understand would say that he is a paranoiac person, because for them, according to his version of paranoia, a behavior means this way that the person has different personalities.  

Speaker: Divided personality?  

Johnakan Ur-el: In this case they are not divided personalities for that “divided personality” it is as that one doesn't remember that he/she made the other personality when he/she had the control and until he/she has a temporary amnesia of what the other one made, as that case amazed of the doctor Jekyll and mister Hyde.  

In this case, the me of the morning-because after all they are lists, the memory of the spirit is-it is remembered what said the night previous to 11 in the night perfectly that he/she had to get up.  

It is not that he/she has amnesia and forgets. It is not paranoia, because he/she remembers perfectly, but el makes that person not to get up you/he/she is the me lazy that took the helm of the ship.  

Speaker: Is Psychointegration to achieve that each I complete its function?  

Johnakan Ur-el: Not necessarily.  

Speaker: I refer to if it is as of building a house, where el in charge of putting the bricks is, where another has to prepare the cement…  

Johnakan Ur-el: That is the theory of Gurdjieff. But Gurdjieff also has an accent, with all respect for the Teacher, of not total understanding, because after all the man is not a house, where it is necessary to complete different functions, and the egos, the different several me, is not as the physical human being's organs, where the liver completes a function, the other stomach and so forth.  

In this case, that makes the me central with the different several me it is to take them out of the periphery and to integrate them to the me central.  

When being all the different several me in the me central, it would be an alone one me connected with the divine conscience, with the me Superior, because if it commands an I that he/she makes bent things, then am not commanding the me central, but a me of the periphery.  

Speaker: It is clear…  

Johnakan Ur-el: Now then, which is the defect that has the me of the periphery? It is that it is unstable, but it is a defect in favor of the spirit, because if there was a me of the periphery that he/she takes the control and it was not unstable it would be a disaster, because that human being could live twisted by all his physical life and it would rot losing the physical body with a tremendous karma.  

To the unstable being, other different several me can take the control. Until he/she can take the control a “me sage” that censors to the other one me that before commanded.  

Example: a comes me rebellious that he/she takes the control of the organism, and in that moment it discussed with another person. Other me taking the control. That me victim feels: “How can it be that to me they make me this? Why do I always live suffering? Do they live me attacking… why do they live me making this? Why do they live me making that?”. And this way for the style.  

He/she remembers that each I that he/she takes the control am the person, that is to say, when that me taking the control, is the whole spirit el that speaks. In any moment the I to the control will recognize that it is the person's part. He/she will believe that he/she is the whole person. Then the person finds out you/he/she will feel victim.  

That person took a public transportation maybe and while she goes traveling something she tells him inside: “Maybe I was bad, I should be more understanding, I should be more tolerant, it is not certain that I am victim, because how victim I will be if I also put my acidity quota like so that that person attacked me.  

That I that he/she is speaking am a me wiser. Then, that person, when it arrives to the destination place, he/she enters to a public place and he/she requests a coffee or a you, and while he/she takes it he/she thinks again. “And why do I have to agree with to the other person?  What I am, maybe a fool? No, to me they attacked me, I don't have to forgive, I have to return to my house and to show misery so that that person you of bill of the unhappy thing that I am.”  

It fits the question here: Why if me wiser he/she had taken the control it allowed that I rebel returned to the original tessitura?  

Speaker: For the characteristic of uncertainty that has each me?  

Johnakan Ur-el: Exactly for that reason, for the uncertainty of each me, and also because that I that he/she took the control was not the me central. It was me more wise but not very sure.  

Then, it allowed that that other one me rebellious that maybe is not the first one, maybe be not that of the public transportation, but one more rebellious still, because the I in the public transportation said: “They used me, they attacked me, they attacked me”, and the third me, more rebellious still, he/she says: “I will make them pay, but not attacking them, they will see my face, they will see my hate, they will see my anger in that moment and I will transmit them all my contempt, all my scorn, I will show them all that you/they made me.”  

And this I am worse than the first one, because the first era a me of pity, and this is me of vengeance.  

Speaker: I think that a person that has so many different several me taking the control along the day should be very unhappy.  

Johnakan Ur-el: Of course that yes…  

Speaker: I put for case that of a person that cohabits with me that suddenly insults me, to the while it serves me later the coffee that I like with a smile, he/she gets angry with me for any thing and later it treats me as if I was the best person in the world.  

Johnakan Ur-el: It changed the me, and there is me of conquest, there is a me of docility, or it can have a me of calculation: “I will try to be well for not sowing more discord, to see how slice can take out.”  

The spirit that is already skillful in this distrusts of them me conciliatory, because if suddenly there is a me vengeful and to the while there is one conciliatory, he/she deduces that it should be a me hypocrite, because it is a me that he/she tries to reconcile to avoid the other person to take revenge, that is to say: “Do I attack you and later I do reconcile to avoid your reprisal”. Does he/she understand each other?  

Speaker: Perfectly.  

Johnakan Ur-el: Then it is not truly a me conciliatory, because so that that I am truly conciliatory he/she has to lapse certain time. That person has to be first maybe gloomy, pensive, and to open the way to the regret and perhaps with a me a more sincere little bit. It is not that he/she wants to reconcile, but rather it acts with more naturalness.  

Speaker: Is it clear… does a person have thousands and different several me thousands Then? Or five or ten?  

Johnakan Ur-el: Five, ten, a hundred, it depends. It is as the karmas: five, ten, and a hundred. It is not certain that a human being embodies with two karmas. It can embody with twenty karmas, fifty karmas…  

Speaker: I understand…  

Johnakan Ur-el: And there are spirits that have a hundred different lists. That makes that the me central, the field of the conscience, be disintegrated. In that moment, figuratively speaking, the soul, in their red part, in 10%, it is disintegrated, it is completely disintegrated.  

If the person disincarnate and it continues with those lists, the disintegration will reach to 100% of the spirit.  

Speaker: I understand…  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is very easy to speak to it; the algid question is to take it to the practice. This is not taken to the practice with an alone one taking of conscience, because the different several me appears and another time again.  

Speaker: That is to say that a constant surveillance is needed?  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way, and an interior vigil is needed. When saying “vigil” I am not saying “surveillance”, because it can understand each other bad. Vigil means “it alerts”, not that the Central Conscience makes of “Gestapo”, seeing how the lists are, controlling. No, at all.  

Speaker: Is those different several me, somehow, alive entities?  

Johnakan Ur-el: They cannot take as alive entities; they are parts of a unit that directly take an isolated conscience. Each I feed of the own weakness of the spirit and it tries to stand out.  

Somehow he/she has a similarity, although distant, with Dianetics. As well as you in Dianetics say: “The mind reactivates he/she doesn't want to disappear”, the ego neither wants to disappear, and it will fight until the last consequences. And there are many cases in that the ego masquerades so that the me central he/she doesn't discover it. That is something that maybe you were not happened to think that it existed.  

Speaker: Is the truth that not… How is it that that he/she masquerades?  

Johnakan Ur-el: He/she masquerades in function of service. My cousin Siddhartha, being red, he/she had two Illuminations. It is primacies. And although we are in Psychointegration, this can be good for those that want to know something more.  

Siddhartha arrived once to an Illumination and however I noticed it as suffering and he/she asked him: “That happens you?”. And did he/she tell me: “I don't know, I feel unhappy and me what wanted is to serve. I am to serve to the other one. I am to communicate to the other one. Because I am to give. Because that it is my mission: to give. Because I am good for that and however I am tortured. And how I will be tortured if I am very important to be tortured.”  

Then, and this says it with total humility, I helped him. For that reason always I was propping of the Teachers:  

-Do I prevail, won't spiritual brother, be that there is an ego that is allowed to conquer and that he masquerades in function of service?.”  

-That that you are saying cannot be, he/she doesn't make sense.  

-Clear, he/she remembers what you have said: “I am very important”. It doesn't square that you say that, brother.  

In that moment Siddhartha looks at me and he/she says: Did I say that?  

-Yes, you have said that. You have said: “Why I am tortured, if me for while that I am serving and I am transmitting the Word. And he/she makes while that I am giving a security to my followers with my importance. Make noted to the importance twice, I mate.”  

In that moment he/she gets up and while he/she leaves he/she tells me:  

-If they ask you for me, I gave that I will come to the brevity. I want go to meditate for the forest.  

It disappeared thirty days. When I saw it again it was with a radiant light. Their face irradiated a beauty, and euphoria, such a big happiness… and the first thing that makes is to hug me. I didn't ask him absolutely anything. I simply told him: “Teacher, you are Illuminated”, to what he agreed being appreciated.  

Speaker: That is to say that it had integrated that me that had been shot?  

Johnakan Ur-el: That I that had Siddhartha didn't want to be integrated inside the conscience. Then he/she masqueraded of altruism. Siddhartha served, he/she made chats, never a complaint, never a problem, gave the best lessons, the best words. It was truly the biggest thing.  

But I noticed-the other ones not-like a dissatisfaction in him. He/she noticed as that he wanted that they surrendered him homage. Because there were some pupils that until he/she answered him: “But that is not this way, Teacher…”. And Siddhartha got angry.  

Then I wondered: “How, are my cousin, my brother spiritual angry?  How my brother spiritual sensitive? Something failing here! Se it angers when the pupils don't understand something?  

And I faced it for well. Then it was able to integrate that remaining ego and, somehow, when seeing that he/she had all the integrated egos, I played it and I felt as that he/she had a divine energy inside of his. It had invaded it the Energy Budlike, of which transmitted me part. In that moment I felt as a shock, as an imbalance, and in turn I felt as a joy.  

Centuries passed so that it felt that joy again. It had happened that it had absorbed part of the Energy Budlike.  

I will speak more before when I received the Energy Critics. It is a topic that I want to leave it for another opportunity, because otherwise we would stray of the fundamental purpose that is to explain the topic of the egos.  

Speaker: I masquerading with the Service would be somehow? That is to say, is there some very big ego that is to the control? I ask it because it would seem that the physical part of K.A. it is as that it perceives it that accent of arrogance that I have when serving.  

Johnakan Ur-el: Yes, it is real. And the anecdote of Siddhartha, and we are speaking of a Planetary Logoses, he/she comes exactly for him yours, because it is not that you have a list: there are 4 or 5 lists that you/they take the control…  

Speaker: And when making it me conscious, doesn't that dissolve it somehow?  

Johnakan Ur-el: If you take conscience, those lists will go being integrated. The lists you don’t combat. The field of the conscience, and this already clarified it; it is not a battle field. It is a field of love, it is an integration field.  

For that reason, the technique created by me calls her Psychointegration, the integration of the soul. That the soul is a unit of love.  

For that reason, lowly, and when saying this sentence I consult it with the Teachers so that it is not arrogant, the technique of Psychointegration is the most complete technique that exists in all the planes.  

Speaker: A person, without talking to Dianetics, without knowing anything of engrams, neither making Psychoauditing, only with Psychointegration it could leave to it floats, that is to say, to obtain equals results or do improve?

Johnakan Ur-el: Yes, perfectly.  

Speaker: Avoiding all the mentioned techniques?  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way. The other way around, no, because Dianetics, Psychoauditing, doesn't have how to manage the lists. Anyway, and this is very important, Psychointegration also has its weak point because of the free will.  

Psychointegration cannot make anything if although it applies it to him the person he/she chooses to continue feeding its ego; he/she chooses to continue with the mind it reactivates.  

Speaker: Before to me, was Psychointegration applied somebody? I refer of the terrestrial evolution.  

Johnakan Ur-el: Your you went the first one to el that was applied being red, but the Teacher Ron, in who I had a great collaborator for it developed, the first one went immediately to el that was applied as spirit, after losing the physical body.  

Speaker: Already how spirit 100%?  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way. And I will explain why. When the Teacher Ron disincarnate, makes it free of karmas. But when it arrives to their vibration plane he/she notices that in their techniques there were many deceits.  

The Teacher understands them, but, in turn-I clarify that Ron is to my side and it is to the so much of this because we have conversed him many times-he/she gives him annoyance being had mistaken and it invades it the ego in a tremendous way.  

To the ego the most minimum opportunity cannot be given because when Light's spirit leaves a hole, the ego it is mentioned in that whole as a wedge.  

Speaker: And does it descend of level?  

Johnakan Ur-el: It descends of level, but not automatically, but in gradual form, losing shine little by little, and when breaking their subtle vibration, he/she falls.  

The technique of Psychointegration that I used for the first time with Hubbard was very quick, to an enormous, light speed… Ron captured what I was transmitting him and maybe in ten terrestrial minutes he/she reflected and it was illuminated again.  

Those “you start up” that has at the moment, critical, etc., they don't make it get off level because the different vibration planes were created by the elohim with kind of a range of tolerance, as which we have us, and somehow certain licenses are allowed, as the critics that he/she can make Ron to some entity, red or nr.  

The critic that he makes is not malicious, since its ends with constructive. And this way, when Ron “he/she throws” acidity against a mediocre spirit that stands out, good, he/she makes it like kind of a complaint toward anybody in particular but toward the whole spiritual environment, as saying-using a terrestrial language very lunfardo-“Boys, look at what is happening, we leave of hoaxing”. I am imitating Him a little to Ron.  

But Ron is the first person to which is applied at spiritual level, real and concretely, Psychointegration.  

Speaker: Would I be in short, then, the first red person to who is applied Psychointegration?  

Johnakan Ur-el: In this planet, yes.  

V AND to Siddhartha he/she was not applied this technique?  

Johnakan Ur-el: No, because what was made with the Venerable Teacher was simply to make it reflect.  

Him mine with Siddhartha doesn't have more merit than el of serving him as support. The rest runs for bill of him. Those thirty days that he disappears, they are thirty days of fight, of meditation.  

They are not similar, but notice that seemed that there are between those thirty days and the forty days that the Teacher Jesus was also fighting.  

Speaker: He/she asked it because it would seem that I have a great responsibility to have been the first red terrestrial to who was applied Psychointegration. I refer to demonstrate that the system is a valid therapy and that it works perfectly.  

Johnakan Ur-el: The only way that the system works it is that the different lists are integrated, and when the lists are integrated the man he/she stops to be an actor, he/she stops to be main character, to be more a spectator.  

Speaker: Until what end should the ego be integrated? For example, one can to be interested in something or it should not be interested in anything, not even a little.  

Johnakan Ur-el: A spirit that doesn't have ego is not interested in anything. Even, I have spirits siblings that not yet having my elevation-they are in the 5º level but in other sub even-they are stricter than me.  

One of them that it is red, is from the Tibet and he/she is living in the United States, it considers that until the beatitude it is ego. It sustains that when we serve and we have joy, this joy is ego, because we not even have to enjoy.  

When a nurse applies him a vaccine to a boy, you/he/she applies it to him naturally, that leaves and another comes. He/she doesn't enjoy, it simply applies it to him. Then, why, when we help people to grow, do we enjoy?  

I had certain chats at spiritual level with him and I told him: “Teacher, my humble point of view is that el that I have happiness to help a destitute being, for me doesn't mean me ego. I have happiness. The Teacher Jesus also has happiness.  

He, on the other hand, says: “My humble point of view is that if I have happiness I am main character, therefore I have ego.  

Speaker: That is not to take a posture too to the ends?  

Johnakan Ur-el: Clear! It is what I told him. Their point of view is valid, because if it was not it had gotten off level. But he is unalterable, with their radiant Light. As me I am also unalterable with my Light, my point of view is also correct.  

Then what I learned is that to have two points of view that although they don't coincide exactly same they are valid.  

The topic is to help. The topic is to serve. He thinks that when one enjoys it is being involved and he/she has ego. I explain to him that maybe that is not ego, but giving loose rein to the happiness of the spirit, because positive emotions exist.  

One of the positive emotions is the mercy and I don't believe, lowly that the mercy is ego. For him, the state of beatitude is ego.  

I want to finish today's session explaining the following thing: Let us suppose that the physical world is a movie, and you are a spectator that you are in the armchair looking at that movie.  

Maybe, if you are a moving human being, you can arrive until the tears, but you don't involve yourself with the actors. You can take party. To take party means that if it is a movie where there is a person that doesn't have ego and it is being hurt by the other one, unconsciously you are taking left for “the good one” of the movie.  

It is the same thing as when one wants that when the movie finishes “the good one” he/she keeps the “girl” and the “bad” prisoner goes or learn the lesson and disappear of scene. One was involved, but it didn't participate. It was not hurt by that movie  

In the same way, as our mission it is of Service, we also involve ourselves. We involve ourselves with the positive emotion, with the altruism, with the enjoyment of giving, with the impersonal love of the Service, and we involve ourselves with all that is Service for our fellow men.  

We don't involve ourselves with all that hurts us, because if we allow that they hurt us, it is that it is participating our ego. If our ego doesn't participate, there is not anything that it can injure.  

I said time behind, in a dictation to my holder, to 10 red% that we, to learn how to integrate the ego have that taking off the identification, the same words that my sister Teresa said. That is to say that arrives to the same conclusion for separate.  

Speaker: What is it concretely taking off the identification?  

Johnakan Ur-el: He/she means not to commit with the other person with the bad emotion. There are people that don't interpret it and they think that the non commitment is the “to wash his hands”. I am speaking of the non commitment, of the negative commitment.  

The Service is a positive commitment. The negative commitment would be to enter in a discussion. That is what should not be made because one would be identified.  

My brother, Antonio of Melo, said, and this is written in some books that “us, being red, we cannot get angry with the rain because it wets us, because it would be laughable, ridiculous and incomprehensible for an analytic mind.”  

In the same way, to those people that try to injure, theoretically would have to see them, being red, in the same way like we see to the rain.  

My own holder said that it is very difficult to be so analytic, because the rain wets you and nothing else. On the other hand, the other person until he/she can end up attacking you in fact. And one is not able to be so taking off the identification as to pay remiss attention of that.  

That is very difficult. What happens is that, good, like he/she told another of my siblings, Lao Tsé, “an on the way to a thousand miles begins taking the first step”. The first step is to integrate a list after other, day after day.  

And the moment will arrive in that one notices that all the integrated lists are and that truly el that is making the Service is the complete spirit that is the me central  

The ego is integrated when you don't get conceited for the Service, when you don't get conceited for the flattery.  

If you are a professor and they tell you: “I never listened such a beautiful class”, and when listening this you take it naturally, you have already integrated your ego.  

If you get conceited, or you truly blush, you become red or you like what you/they tell you it is because one of the egos is still pending of integration. Maybe you integrated 99, but there is one me rebellious that still was not integrated.  

Now, if they tell you: “the truth, I congratulate him, their chat was wonderful, it is the best thing that I listened in my life, and that that I have listened big professors!”, and your you respond with sincerity, really feeling it: “That that me any person has said she can have explained to it same or even better than me”, there you/he/she is when one can say with certainty that you have integrated the egos.  

And I will give you an example. When the Teacher Jesus said: “Can marvels make similar to mine or bigger”, where was the Teacher's ego? He/she didn't have it! Because if he had had ego he/she would have said: “More than me, more than Jesus? No, you are crazy, they will never arrive to my height.”  

But that the Teacher told us? “can they make same or bigger things that mine!, and did he emphasize “bigger.”  

Speaker: Is the explanation perfectly clear… Now I do have the intrigue of if this session of Psychointegration has rebounded in something in my Thetan? Or is my Thetan integrated?  

Johnakan Ur-el: No, it is not integrated completely. But the session is not so much for your Thetan. To me it interests me, as Thetan of my holder, to put all the efforts in 10%.  

The problem is the red part. It is not that I am not interested your Thetan, but if the red part integrates its egos, it is already. The problem, then, is the physical part, not the Thetan.  

Speaker: Is there a mutual influence between the Thetan and their red part? Are they influenced positive and negatively one another?  

Johnakan Ur-el: Always.  

Speaker: Does he/she mean that one day I can be bad because my Thetan is bad?  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is generally the other way around, because being embodied causes more problems than their part that it is in the other plane.  

Speaker: And how could it avoid me, like red part, like it happened last time that one of the assistants to the session group affected me psychically and physically to have come her very loaded?  

Johnakan Ur-el: That is different, because in this case it has not influenced you in your ego. It can have influenced you in your ego when he/she said that he/she was a great teacher that she came to listen that didn't have anything to learn that came for curiosity. The other thing is impossible to defend. With the psychic attacks-that was involuntary in this case-, in the same way that somebody can transmit to other accidentally a virus, in that you don't have defense, except for the harmony.  

If your harmonize and you wrap up in love, and truly takings conscience of that, you can conquer to that using the control, physics and psychic.  

The same thing transmits to my holder. My holder recently was destabilized because two beings, to those that he loves, had kind of a hostile collision, where there was critical and where one of them still reacted in a more hostile way.  

As us we know, the hostility generates more hostility. Then, my holder felt bad because it hurted him the pain of other people. But in turn it bothered him that in the future it could have a conflict hypothesis, because their fear is that him you without harmony and it transmitted me to me, its Thetan, its disharmony.  

The disharmony can also make that the spirit gets off level. This is the unconscious fear of the mind it reactivates of my holder.  

All this is not to speak of my holder. It serves as lesson because to you they can spend similar things. Then, my recommendation is to tolerate until unsuspected limits the hostile acts and always to put on in the place of the other one, because it can happen that that other one cannot conquer its mind it reactivates.  

There are people, regrettably that in all their life of red are not able to conquer those gigantic lists that direct their life, and finally unhappy losing the physical body.  

Speaker: What happens is that it is difficult not to be destabilized when those beings that have conflicts are bound emotionally with us…  

Johnakan Ur-el: That is due to that we, in our red part, involve ourselves emotionally because we want them personally, earthily, not impersonally, and it hurts us to know that those beings, it handcuffs for one, daughters for other, don't learn, and to like one “he/she smells” the thing, one goes, “to eyes of good vater” that will be very difficult that are able to revert the situation.  

Many times my intuition makes me notice when being embodied won't evolve for stubbornness that is one of the worst lists in the ego.  

The stubbornness, in definitive, is a spiritual blindness.  

Speaker: How this of the Psychointegration does it continue?  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is necessary to continue with the questions, seeing like the ego is, it is necessary to continue analyzing… In Psychointegration, apart from the therapist that will leave marking what you go evolving and how not, to see what it is corrected, oneself is their own doctor, oneself is their own observer, but at this time, the same as Siddhartha in that occasion, you are disguising more than a list in vocation of service, and that can make you to get conceited.  

He/she thinks that nobody has the whole knowledge, nobody has all the wisdom… sometimes, to my holder it invades it a little bit the superb one and then treatment of communicating with their causal body to make him take conscience of their error.  

Speaker: We know that when there is a certain engrams in on inciting producing a certain dysfunction, and one taking a certain medication, the mind reactivates combat that medication so that it doesn't eliminate him the dysfunction, because for her such a dysfunction is “survival.”  

Then, one would need to take bigger quantity of medication to counteract to the mind it reactivates that continues insisting on putting in their place the dysfunction that said medication seeks to eliminate again.  

That is to say that it is necessary to take more and more medication to produce the same effect.  

To where it aims my question it is: What does it happen if the dysfunction is not engrams but genetic? For example, I have some headaches of genetic origin and non engrams.  

Johnakan Ur-el: The worst in the cases is when the dysfunction is genetic and a small engram can more on inciting. The engram maybe is not as potent as to annul the effects of the medication. It is not always so potent. Then the medication acts.  

When the effects of the medication left, the engram is to the watching and it returns another time the symptom that is almost the same thing. The body goes getting used to the drug and then precise more.  

Speaker: Does the same thing happen then when the dysfunction is genetic?  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way. Regrettably it is it is this way.  

Speaker: Does this mean that if the headache is of genetic origin I would have to take aspirins the less possible thing?  

Johnakan Ur-el: To take more it would be as making him the “fat broth” to all on inciting type, because although you only have 3 engrams%, one can, to say it somehow, to plot the mind reactivates with the features genetic negatives making that all not well physical one you on dimension.  

Speaker: With regard to the aspirin that so much has been studied here in the Earth, they have not been, as a result of the investigations, contraindications, except for, like it is obvious, taken in big quantities. But the question is if it causes, as other drugs, addiction.  

Johnakan Ur-el: No, it doesn't carry addiction.  

Speaker: That is to say that who takes aspirins he/she doesn't need to increase the dose to achieve the same effects, like it happens to other drugs?  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way. What the aspirin carries is a psychological to be accustomed, that is to say, if we speak to it in terms of Dianetics, an to be accustomed engrams.  

To a person it hurts him the head and a couple of pills takes. The following day it bothers him a little bit. For instinctive act-non engrams, the instinct is ego-taking of new. Maybe that in that moment he/she didn't need it, but for reflective act the taking.  

There el that one has to impose is the Me Power station not saying, what I am making.  

That is to say that everything has to also do with that.  

Speaker: With the Me integrated Power station I could combat the genetic dysfunctions?  

Johnakan Ur-el: It depends, because if it is a genetic dysfunction, where the spirit chose to reincarnate to fulfill certain karma, that becomes physical, and for more harmony than there is it is a physical thing. An oak cannot become cedar.  

Speaker: It is clear.  

Johnakan Ur-el: And a person that spreads genetically to the obesity, no matter how much it arrives to the total Illumination it will continue being obese.  

Speaker: My Thetan could tell me, if I asked him, on the dysfunctions that I imposed myself to suffer in the incarnation.  

Johnakan Ur-el: Of course that he/she can say them! Is the question that maybe he/she omits to tell you some, because, for example, if you have a genetic dysfunction whose genes will be shot to the 75 year-old age that you/they will provoke you a metastasis in your body, and suddenly he/she does communicate with you your Thetan and does it communicate it to you, how will you live in that state of tension knowing that in equis time will have such an illness? Because although you know that the soul is immortal and that the pain is something fictitious, only of this plane 1, same you will worry.  

Then, there are things that maybe don’t tell you, for example when he/she goes to losing the physical body, because the spirit knows when its matter will die.  

Speaker: Didn't he/she have this fact… why does he/she know it? Maybe the own Thetan the fixed thing?  

Johnakan Ur-el: No, it is not that the fixed thing him… One chooses to be born in certain body. That body has a genetic code. That genetic code knows what illnesses he/she goes or not to develop and what expectation of life he/she has.  

As us, in this terrestrial time, we have not developed the technique of the change of genes, we cannot modify that genetic code.  

Then, your Thetan could tell you: “We will be in 100% in such a time….”  

Speaker: But in some cases it cannot be positive to know when one goes to losing the physical body?  

Johnakan Ur-el: I don't see it as positive the knowledge the losing the physical body date, because it conditions you. It conditions you for well or for bad, because if they tell you six months, your would say: “how I make to make the work in six months!”. And if they tell you 35 years, “Good, I have time more than enough” and you vagrant.  

The Teacher Og Mandino, red, said that we should live every day as if it was the last one. And he/she said it lacking ego, as saying: “Why every day we cannot hug our brother, why every day we cannot generate a smile and to eliminate all hostile act as if it was the last day of our life?.”  

Each one of us, and this Og also told it Mandino, he/she thinks about what it will happen the last day: would we try to be with the dear beings, giving love, kissing us, asking us for forgiveness for the wrong that we made… why doesn't this make it every day?  

Speaker: Interesting…  

Johnakan Ur-el: That is to say, they are many Light's Teachers. Don't get conceited as much as you say: “I know a lot”. He/she thinks of that that Og Mandino has said, in the height of its words and he/she doesn't get conceited.  

Speaker: Is it clear… How is your holder at this time to continue the session?  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is a little tired because he/she came from yesterday's session, where there was much negativity, although there were entities of Light and although he/she wrapped up in harmony.  

Speaker: Another question… Here, in a last session, it was presented, as traveler of the time, Kronbus that came from the future-of the year 2500 said-, which allowed me to see the possibility that he could be myself. The concrete question is: if I asked now to speak with the Thetan of Kronbus of this present, and was not my Thetan presented, would that mean that Kronbus I am not of the future?  

Johnakan Ur-el: That is a logical thing!  

Speaker: But is the intrigue that I have if I call to the Thetan of Kronbus of this present and does my Thetan come, how does my Thetan that Kronbus is know?  

Johnakan Ur-el: Maybe one could not respond. Perhaps my holder intentional that the Thetan of Kronbus comes…  

Speaker: Are we speaking of the Thetan of the current Kronbus?  

Johnakan Ur-el: Yes… AND suddenly it channels your Thetan. Your Thetan will say: For what reason did they call me?, or what am I making here?  

Two things can happen: 1) your Thetan is Kronbus, or 2) the Thetan of Kronbus was not presented and your Thetan was presented.  

That is to say that the doubt will be.  

Speaker: Will the doubt have it me but not you?  

Johnakan Ur-el: No, we won't have the doubt, because us “we see” in our level. We know who Kronbus is.  

I see it to your Thetan like my holder you leave to you. Then I won't have the doubt.  

Speaker: Do you know concretely, then, at this time with certainty if my Thetan is or non Kronbus?  

Johnakan Ur-el: We can ask it to Kronbus in a next communication so that he/she says it, since there is not any reason to maintain the mystery.  

The fact that Kronbus is your Thetan he/she doesn't make jag to its red part that you are you, because the spirit is immortal and it is supposed that it will be in the year 2500 and later on also.  

Speaker: But, do you know it concretely, or is an incognito one also for you?  

Johnakan Ur-el: This has to respond him, for an ethics question, your own Thetan.  

Speaker: It is well, I will ask it to him… before finishing the session, and he/she wanted to know who are present…  

Johnakan Ur-el: Gurdjieff, Ouspenky is…  

Speaker: They know that I was interested a lot in their works…  

Johnakan Ur-el: Today is a special session, and like one makes Psychointegration all the Teachers are, to those that I love so much… the Logoses are, the Planetary Logoses-Siddharta-, the Solar Logoses-Teacher Jesus-, Ron Hubbard, your personal guide…  

Speaker: I think if at some time I will be able to pay to Ron all that helped me and he/she still makes it…  

Johnakan Ur-el: You are paying him because when serving you-because he is Serving you-and then you are doing him a favor. We will make a game of words. Ron is your guide for more than one year. To the being your guide is serving you. When serving, who does benefit?  

Speaker: Good, in fact, both.  

Johnakan Ur-el: Clear, but from the point of view of the Service that is what interests us, more Ron than you he/she benefits, because he is el that is Serving.  

Speaker: Obvious.  

Johnakan Ur-el: Then, he also has to be appreciated to allow him to serve you. Who is more important at this time?  

Speaker: Obviously Ron…  

Johnakan Ur-el: Clear… Everything is a game of words… Ron doesn't want to be important, it doesn't interest him… Ron only wants to serve…  

Speaker: Do I understand it perfectly… before finishing, is it possible to make some evaluation in how much to my understanding of the technique of Psychointegration?  

Johnakan Ur-el: The understanding has a quite high percentage. Now it is necessary that you begin to apply that understood.  

Speaker: It is well… I Believe that we can finish the session here…  

Johnakan Ur-el: I greet you with all my love.  

Speaker: See you later, Johnakan, and thank you.

SESSION OF THE 8/1/98  

Medium: Jorge Olguín.  

Speaker: Horacio Velmont.  

Entities that were presented to dialogue: Asdoel, extraterrestrial of Anthea 4, Ron Hubbard, founder of Dianetics and Scientology, and Radael, Thetan of Horacio Velmont.  

Speaker: Who is present?  

Asdoel: I am here again with you…  

Speaker: Who is communicating?  

Asdoel: I am Asdoel, of Anthea 4… there are many concepts that are not very clear. In principle I want to explain why reason we don't finish communicating openly with the human race.  

They are not still prepared in the part of impersonal love. It is as that they look for the subjection, they look for somehow dominating one another. What I have noticed in the last terrestrial years is a lot of incomprehension, but that that more it alarms me it is that the incomprehension is even between two seemingly more people…  

Speaker: Do tune?  

Asdoel: Non point tunes but intelligent, of important thought. However, when the moment arrives of coming to an agreement in something, or in the coexistence in common, they have its obstacles, its problems…  

Speaker: What happens is that among us still cousin the mind reactivates and before we are not all clear, that problem will exist.  

Asdoel: That same it is what happens in what you call “schools” - or “instructorios”, as we call them us -, as much among the students as in the professors.  

Then, the armed groups that it causes us deep aversion to us are because the armed groups are to have disputes among yourselves. It doesn't insert in our understanding the fact that a race arms to fight to each other that is the same thing that to fight among siblings.  

Speaker: But have not you maybe fought with people of Orion? I say it because we have knowledge that el that here calls you “Incident Roswell” it was a combat collision between an Ovine of Anthea and another of Orion…  

Asdoel: They are exceptions… what happens is that there are belligerent people in all the worlds. This is not to excuse, but generally please to other worlds but not to each other.  

The responsibility of karma, the wheel of incarnations that that brings harnessed, it is not smaller because they attack others. After all they are hindering the individual's freedom.  

It is as that before the races of the Galaxy, it causes more surprise when they fight to each other. They are as families that are destroyed mutually… he/she doesn't make sense…  

There are planets that he/she makes thousands of terrestrial years that are unified, and they have formed Federations. There are stellar whole systems that are unified. And there are sectors galactic formed for near thousand, two, thousand, three thousand suns that are unified.  

Then, to see a minuscule planet, as Sun III, to which you call Earth, and that there are regions in war, it is a thing that causes a lot of surprise.  

I will copy myself of the language of you. Looking at it from inside, one is accustomed and he/she doesn't notice it. But put on in my place: looking at it from out it is as that it causes strangeness, it is strange, then I sit down, with all humility that is not still the moment likes to make a massive contact.  

Speaker: But the answer to these wars intestines we have it in Dianetics and Scientology, with the knowledge of the existence of the mind it reactivates and the engrams, given to know for the brilliant Teacher L. Ronald Hubbard, a North American scientist that even developed the technique to eliminate this engrams and to clarify the Earth, something that is already making in massive form. In fact, the belligerent ones terrestrial they are machines, minds reactivate against minds you reactivate, and until the planet is not clarified, liberated of its mind it reactivates, that problem will exist.  

Asdoel: In many worlds alternative therapies exist, maybe similar to the terrestrial Dianetics, and there are other worlds that have advanced with a similar therapy to the blended Dianetics with telepathy extracorporeal.  

Speaker: Are we speaking of telepathic canalization?  

Asdoel: Clear…  

Speaker: I ask it because we here are developing Psychoauditing, that is to say, the combination of Dianetics with the telepathic canalization or, if one prefers, the telepathy.  

Asdoel: Leo the surface of your mind and I see that in this last time, in the last two terrestrial months, you have advanced a lot as for communication, that which I am glad a lot.  

And I see that this therapy that you/they are developing, telepathic canalization with Dianetics, has a high grade of dependability.  

Speaker: The merit takes it to him in fact Ron Hubbard that is who Dianetics developed in our planet. And I know that at this time it is here, with us, listening what I say, because I have summoned it.  

Asdoel: Yes, it is this way, it is here to my side and I will leave him step. I only wanted to transmit my thought, because we are a race that until we have improved the sexual energy contacts.  

There are already practically some physical contacts that we have improved them to the such point that when we have them, what enters in contact is then our aura, our energy field, we have, in a relationship at couple level, an orgasmic appearance that not only sandal the genital part but also all our energy field.  

Speaker: I understand… For what you tell me I should suppose that it should be something impressive… before you retire I want to wonder if at this time you are embodied in the planet Anthea IV…  

Asdoel: It is this way…

Speaker: Is your physical body now in a space ship, that is to say, as passenger of an Ovine?  

Asdoel: No, my physical body is in the planet.  

Speaker: How much slow your spirit in moving from your planet until ours?  

Asdoel: The transfer is almost instantaneous, because the distance in this case doesn't count, since we are hardly at a 48 year-old distance light. It counts in the physical plane but not in the plane on the physical plane (spiritual).  

Speaker: Is it clear… What are you in your planet, maybe some philosopher?  

Asdoel: I am in charge of mainly of studying the characteristics of the races.  

Speaker: Of your planet?  

Asdoel: No, of other systems. I make contact, with permission of the Logoses of each System - we always make a towering sense of the ethics -, because you don’t advance a step if one doesn't request permission. And with all the love of the world they authorize us. The Logoses know that our mission is to study those different from races, to see where it can insert a race with another. We have made unions of planets thanks to my investigations and to other colleagues' investigations.  

Let us say that we are a planet that we have not only made missions in the Earth, and more than once, but rather we also look for to mate worlds, something that we wait that finally the terrestrial ones learn. The reading of this, in the future, maybe serves as seed.  

Speaker: A question to the margin: you Audi taste, that is to say, did you talk to the technical Dianetics or have not you needed it? Naturally, I am referring to your red part.  

Asdoel: No, because I have not needed it.  

Speaker: But do you know the prosecution Dianetics?  

Asdoel: It is one of the four more important therapies among us. One of them is very similar to el that you call Psychointegration.  

Speaker: How interesting!  

Asdoel: We, in our planet, being embodied us also communicate telepathically with the spiritual world. In the time in that the Teacher Johnakan Ur-el disincarnate was, approximately 80 terrestrial years ago, he/she had a telepathic contact with my Teacher, call Jhu-an-the, at the moment disincarnate, and Johnakan transmitted him part of Psychointegration  

It has also been in contact with the Teacher Ruanel that is the name of the spirit of Ron Hubbard - now I am already speaking of 118 terrestrial years -, and together with Johnakan they have transmitted him basic principles of Dianetics.  

Speaker: In your planet he/she does also call himself Dianetics?  

Asdoel: No, the name translated to your language would be “free of audio” that is kind of an auditing to liberate all type of traumatic enclosure.  

Speaker: Here we call you “it loads engrams.”  

Asdoel: It doesn't care how he/she is called. We call this way it.  

Speaker: In rigor, would free of audio be similar to the auditing Dianetics developed by Hubbard in our planet?  

Asdoel: It is very similar. They have collaborated jointly, like I said, the Teachers Johnakan and Ron Hubbard.  

Speaker: Do they have some apparatus to detect that traumatic enclosure? I ask it here we have an apparatus called And-meter that is the abbreviation of Electripsychomeasure.  

Asdoel: We have two different apparatuses. One is very similar to the And-meter that you/they use in this planet and other different to measure pulsations, intensity, change of pressure. It is a different apparatus and that it measures a field of conscience somehow.  

What happens is that the terrestrial technology is not as advanced as to build it. Because it not only measures the sanguine pressure, the pulsations, but rather it also measures the field of aura, or the field of conscience.  

And it is superior to the And-meter because it can mark changes of colors in the electromagnetic field.  

Speaker: Truly surprising…  

Asdoel: It is important that they keep it in mind and that they write it so that the scientists of your planet know that that you can build, maxim that is already experiencing with electromagnetic fields at level of causal body.  

Speaker: Do they have something similar to Psychoauditing?  

Asdoel: Yes, but they only practice it very high red entities, as this holder.  

Speaker: Can one say that as regards Dianetics, and what continues him, Scientology, are you more advanced than us?  

Asdoel: Yes, thanks to the apparatuses that I mentioned. Also, there are few minds it reactivates in my planet. We live in a total communion, so there are not excuses to reactivate minds.  

Speaker: Have you spoken of four therapeutic systems… which would the other ones be two?  

Asdoel: Good, we have Psychointegration and Free of audio, of those that I have already spoken to you. Free of audio is really an extraordinary technique, together with Psychointegration, because both have that they are mated, since the integration of the mind is fundamental for the liberation of the ego that so many havoc causes in your humanity.  

Speaker: And the other two systems?  

Asdoel: One is a system of closed circle, where 30 or 40 people can join in kind of an enclosure, where directly they overturn their experiences… Maybe in the planet Earth something is made similar in the groups of self-help. It is very important to overturn, to open up…  

Speaker: And the fourth system?  

Asdoel: The fourth system is the invigoration of the self-esteem.  

Speaker: Do I understand… In how much to the Psychointegration in Anthea is similar to the Psychointegration developed here by Johnakan Ur-el, the Me Superior or Thetan of this holder?  

Asdoel: It is similar…  

Speaker: Does he/she call himself also this way?  

Asdoel: It is this way, but he/she is added “spiritual.”  

Speaker:” Spiritual Psychointegration?”  

Asdoel: Exact.  

Speaker: That is to say, in definitive that you with this technique look for the control of the ego…  

Asdoel: I would not say the control of the ego but rather to integrate the ego. What is looked for exactly is not to destroy, neither to fight, neither to combat any ego, but integrating it to the total of the conscience.  

Then, all the mentioned techniques give a similar result that el joins with the everything, and that the everything joins with el. It is important that these words are registered.  

Speaker: A last question: in some place I read in a book on telepathic communications, around 40 years ago that will arrive to the case in that a person, with mind reactivates and engrams, enter to kind of a inhabit and in automatic form or in little time its cells would be clean of load engrams. Do they have foreseen you something like that or is something too advanced?  

Asdoel: No, it is not too advanced. That one can make with an apparatus of cellular cleaning… to finish I mean that Johnakan and Ron Hubbard has worked much together from the spiritual planes, and they have been able to, always with permission of the Superior Logoses, to investigate.. They have worked mated in two opportunities, 118 years ago and 80 terrestrial years ago.  

Obviously, the memory non reincarnate of this holder forgot it momentarily, but I consider that he/she is knowing it or remembering now because I am communicating it to him…  

They have advanced a lot in the spiritual investigation… When saying spiritual I refer to the field of conscience, as it should truly be said.  

The topic, and this wants to leave it well in clear, it is not that the spirits embody, complete certain missions in the physical plane and then lose the physical body, and this is the whole work that you/they make... The missions are also completed in the plane disincarnates… AND how!...  

Speaker: Yes, this fact already has it, that is to say that one works at the same time in the two planes, the physique and the spiritual one, and that while the Me Inferior completes missions in the physical plane the Me Superior completes missions in the spiritual plane… whenever I speak of “Me Inferior” I find certain resistance because I fear that it is interpreted bad that of “inferior”, since it is always the same spirit, that is to say that in fact there is not neither “superior” neither “inferior”…  

Asdoel: … For example, Ron Hubbard, Johnakan and other entities of Master travel to the speed from the thought to different worlds to “to throw” a rope, to express it in a very illustrative way to who you/they specify it.  

Speaker: I understand…  

Asdoel: They are permanently in mission, because in the spiritual worlds he/she doesn't rest, he/she doesn't fall asleep. This, expressed in terrestrial terms would be as that they are busy the 24 hours.  

Speaker: Why do you always clarify that it is time “terrestrial?”  

Asdoel: Simply because in each system there is a mensuration way different from the time… I retire to leave him I pass to other entities that you/they want to communicate…  

Speaker: I thank you here your presence. See you later…  

SESSION OF THE 3/29/02  

Medium: Jorge Olguín.  

Speakers: Horacio Velmont and Domanisel.  

Entity that was presented to dialogue: Ron Hubbard, founder of Dianetics and Scientology.  

Speaker: Who will be presented to give messages in the first place?  

Teacher Jesus: I am the Teacher Jesus and I come to give the following message: Dear siblings, he/she costs to translate in concepts the enormous quantity of ideas that I want to transmit to all you, to those that I want with all my heart… In principle I want that they know that there are two ways to evolve, one is the traditional one, making Service for the other one, wanting your neighbor, and the other way is creating. Many of my siblings, even my dear pupil, they have created, they have made very beautiful things, and there are others that have also achieved beautiful missions without having created.  

I want to leave in clear, I reiterate then that there are two important things to grow: the to Serve and creating.  

It is such a high energy el that I load today that my holder enough destabilized is… I will allow it to rest a little and I will send him my Golden Energy to reestablish it… But before I want again to highlight them, because it is very important, the Service and the creation.  

Light's spirits Serve and we are useful to the other one, but there are either some pupils that stand out creating, technical, either spiritual complements, to be able to Serve better, to be able to be more useful, and that is very to make praise…  

I will leave them to open the way to my pupil Johnakan who will give a small message… I send them all my impersonal love, until soon.  

Speaker: See you later, Teacher, and thank you for the message… I listen to You, Johnakan…  

Johnakan Ur-el: I am here again with you to deepen about the different vicissitudes that he/she has each human being and how they can be resolved through the technique created by me called Psychointegration.  

I want to put emphasis in that all the red beings have different born lists of the ego. Even the highest in the physical plane are exposed to those lists. For logic they cannot be exempt of them, because when being red they are almost defenseless.  

And it is logical because it is impossible to be the whole time in state of alert, you cannot be the whole time with the on attention in the external attacks. All the lists of the ego, all the different several us is subordinated to a me central, but maybe be not well expressed the word, because “subordinated” it indicates “to the order” and in this case it is not this way.  

Any I that am to the Service of the love am imposed on the other one. It would be also not well expressed in the poor physical vocabulary the word “to take the control” because the Me Power station doesn't send.  

It happens that the physical vocabulary transcribes the concept that the words of the physical plane don't sometimes reach to interpret it so poorly. But the certain thing is that each I have a list, he/she has a paper, and that paper can last hours or it can last minutes and the different several us they are so egocentric that they are not taken charge by that he/she made other me minutes behind.  

And this makes it in way so unconscious for the person that the person can make a problematic act and to the little while to say “but if I didn't make that”, because other I am manipulating it.  

That other one me, in turn, the “he/she forces” to carry out another act, maybe hostile, and at the little time the person el is made ignored, as that it was not the causing one of that.  

This what he/she brings I get? Because he/she brings I get accelerated decisions, mistaken decisions, impulses that will be always negative, because there is not a single impulse that is positive, except for the impulse of the hug, except for the impulse of the “I love you.”  

But those impulses even have to be controlled - although the word “to control” it is also poor, because we are speaking of control and control implies “I manage”. Better we call him then “content”, because those impulses have to be contained and not controlled in fact.  

It is always necessary to find in the physical plane the appropriate words so that the meaning is not misinterpreted of what is wanted to insinuate, and in this case it is not wanted to insinuate as that it is forcing something: Psychointegration doesn't force, because it is far from all manipulation and of all obligation.  

Psychointegration proposes behaviors, but if we will look for below and to dig, the word “behavior” he/she also responds to a control, because we are speaking of “to drive”… Behavior in fact comes from driving…  

to notice that when we speak of proposing certain behaviors in certain to be embodied, we are he putting in rail in that level, and putting in rail, although it is not synonymous, it means “to prosecute”, and to prosecute means somehow to narrow in a rail… it is not the same thing that “to contain”, because to contain implies more love, it implies more empathy…  

I can contain a person so that he/she doesn't bolt, so that he/she doesn't disperse, but putting in rail sounds me as that one is putting limits. And in fact here is to apply Psychointegration that what looks for is to contain and not to narrow, what looks for is to sustain and not to press, what looks for is to modify, but always with the person's implicit permission to try.  

In your case in particular, lover that you are my brother Domanisel in the spiritual plane, mate you have in your part red many lists.  

It happens that the lists are sometimes so subtle, but so subtle that they are not reached to perceive, but however they are very subtly lists that can take you, to have a behavior maniac-depressive psychosis. You have a great willpower in your red part that prevents that those changes are notorious. You end up controlling you, but the impulses are.  

There is a Me Central in all to be embodied, and this wants to leave it well in clear that somehow is the common denominator of all the different several me. But the Me Central, contrary to the other lists, he/she doesn't come from the ego…  

He Me Power station would come to be as the axis, as the vortex, of the Me Superior, of 90%. It is a way to express it, because when we speak of a spirit that is disincarnate in the planes 2 and 3 they also have lists. The spirit disincarnate doesn't have Me Superior, because him same it is its Me Superior.  

Good, in that case its Me Power station is the me that if it was in all its opening it would prevent somehow that the ego expatiates in lists. In this case the ego would be integrated. When the ego is integrated it is when the appears Me Central. Therefore, the spirit disincarnate is 100% spirit.  

Him Me Central he/she is formed, that is to say, it leaves to glitter when the ego is integrated and the lists have stopped to be. This happens in the planes 4 and 5.  

In the red part, in 10%, the Me Power station also arises when the lists are integrated. But there is a difference, and it is that I eat in the physical plane being embodied it is more exposed to different situations, because he/she has a body that suffers, he/she has a body that requests, he/she has a body that demands, you depends much of the economic part, you depends much of the real physical demands…  

A physical body has to feed, he/she breathes, he/she has sexual relationships, and all these things are somehow necessities of the physical part, something that the spirit obviously doesn't need.  

Then, in the physical plane it is very difficult to maintain the whole time, without stopping the Me Central in handling. Therefore, they will always escape different several me.  

But this is a normal thing. Even the red beings as it is your case that your spirit is in the plane 5º, in the red part they always go to have different several me that escape. This happens to all the entities that have a red physical part and they are in the plane 5º. This is normal and it is not to question.  

The important thing is to have, most of the time, the integrated different several me. And this is what achieves in their great majority Psychointegration.  

I say in their great majority because I reiterate that it is absolutely impossible to have the 24 hours of the day the integrated ego.  

My other brother of Light and my other twin soul that when it was red he/she was the Teacher Krishnamurti, during the last twenty years of their life, and this few people know it, you/he/she has suffered strong, continuous, carried to an extreme, headaches.  

But he/she had such a big control in their red part, in their physical part that didn't prevent him at all to carry out the conferences and the chats.  

But very little they have informed on that topic… Not all the red beings have that control. It is very difficult.  

Speaker: Is this message part of Psychointegration? I ask it to know if I have to include it in the technique.  

Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way, this message that I am giving is part of Psychointegration.  

Domanisel: What is that to make Psychointegration?  

Johnakan Ur-el: In principle, Psychointegration doesn't promise magic formulas. It serves so that the person learns how to look at the reality from the side of out, to make of bill that there was a screen and one left her and she looked at the whole environment, she looked at the whole people as if outside of behind a glass and she can see this way all and to analyze them coldly.  

Analyzing coldly all doesn't mean to prejudice them, it means as that one can see them as if he/she was looking at a movie, seeing the different characters without being identified, that is to say, taking off the identification.  

Anything of that reality, then, it can end up hurting the person, because in that moment the red person is seeing other people from out.  

It is very difficult taking off the identification the twenty-four hours, because not all the red people have the same a lot to live. There are people that can be attacked in fact and there are people that can be attacked by word of mouth. In this case, then, it is impossible to absorb, it is impossible taking off the identification because the attacks are direct.  

What is it made in that case? What it is necessary to make, obviously, like my Teacher Jesus says: “Don't allow that the other ones make you what you would not make to them”, that is to say, defending is an action of survival because it is an action of self-esteem.  

Therefore, avoiding the attack, either in fact or by word of mouth, it is valid. And it is even valid, in the extreme cases, to respond to the same one up to where the circumstances allow it.  

What is not valid in the spiritual world is to respond with more aggression of el than it has been received. Of what is exactly it is of stopping the aggression, not to continue being fed with the supposed aggressor.  

Domanisel: Which would it be the lists on those that I should work?  

Johnakan ur-el: The most outstanding list on which you have to work is el it concerns to your decisions. Maybe unconsciously you can question yourself some things and you can end up generating you complex of blames for the decisions that you take.